Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That comment is, I'm afraid, the sign of a man who has lost the battle.
This thread just keeps going round and round.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (49 Viewers)
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That comment is, I'm afraid, the sign of a man who has lost the battle.
This thread just keeps going round and round.
clint van damme
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have you actually read the whole article? Not that grwat news though I dont think anyone can say whether thats down to brexit or not.
clint van damme
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so you think theres no ambiguity about its meaning amo g oeople who voted brexit or even the negotuating team itself?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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A little, but no where near as much as a lot of remainers would like you to think. Muddying the waters has been a deliberate tactic to cause confusion and uncertainty about the decision and where we go. Undermining Brexit if you like... It has been a smart tactic to be fair.
Less than 350 million for a start. How much is membership worth per week?
Apart from that, Germany has announced record social security jobs ( full time ) and is booming. On a Sir Ernie type personal note... I have had my best July yet - apart from someone stealing 6000,00 and my Rucksack with my British Passport... For the anti-refugee people, the thieves looked arabic.. or maybe Turkish. But, I am not going to say that proves that they are all criminals. Because it doesn't.
Brilliant. From the word go when BoJo and Gove got into a battle straight after the vote... the knives were out. Since then we have had infighting and contradictory statements and May described Brexit as meaning Brexit. A hollow phrase to be interpreted at will according to what you thought you were voting for. This is what has caused confusion and uncertainty. It has nothing to do with remainers in general.
The Brexiteers cannot agree on what Brexit means..mainly because they never thought things through and haven't got a clue where this is all going, and keep telling themselves it will be alright on the night.
We have Trump on one side and Brexit here. Comedy 24 hours a day. Glad I'm out f it.
Grendel
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Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies...
Leave Lies? Remainers Need To Look In The Mirror | HuffPost UK
Leave Lies? Remainers Need To Look In The Mirror | HuffPost UK
NorthernWisdom
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Plenty of ambiguity among those who voted to stay in, too.
Madness to suggest there's a black & white, and Cameron's biggest stupid mistake to frame the question in that way. Even among those who stayed in there'd be a brioad spectrum from those who thought better the devil you know, to committed European Federalists... with all those in between.
Only difference being we would have kept the status quo which could have evolved and needed to be reformed - as opposed to a leap in the dark. So the differences in direction didn't matter as much......
clint van damme
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you obviously havent been keeping abewast of the in fighting anong thenegotiating team and the briefing against each other. Nothing to do with rwmainers.
Sick Boy
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I will proudly remain an EU citizen thanks, you suckers are the ones who have signed your rights away.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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But you're not out of it. You're on a footballing forum for hours each day, not talking about football, but getting feisty about Brexit.
The confusion is coming from people like you, because you don't want it. Yes, Gove and Boris were on one side, but there were hundreds on the other. I really don't understand why you cannot see things from both sides.
Kings gave a good description of what he voted for when he left, and mainly that is a wholesome 'out of the EU'. No half and half shit. Since all the harassment and tears from Remain, a middle deal which incorporates a bit of the best of both has been hounded around as quite fashionable. People such as yourselves can say all they want about it being uncertainty from what leave voters actually want. However, anything other than an actual Brexit (that's a hard one), would be something you would be extremely happy with.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Oh I have, and I''m not saying you're wrong.
The negotiating team, of which some want to Remain in the EU. Of course, that is going to cause infighting and hardly work out for the best.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I will proudly remain an EU citizen thanks, you suckers are the ones who have signed your rights away.
Then why are you behaving like this if you think you've won?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Come on Grendel.
The Leave side were the real ones telling lies. Remain was wholesome and honest throughout!*
*Spoiler: If they had been, they would have won easily.
No. There is no serious football at the moment. I am not on for hours. And, no I would not be extremely happy with anything except remain and reform. Which explains why I am fiesty..
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clint van damme
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you dob
clint van damme
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fucks sake. ignore gibberish above. Tr
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Don't lie. You've been in the City Arms for breakfast haven't you!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I would have taken Remain and reform most likely.
The sad thing is I think that avenue was explored when Cameron came back from Brussels with fuck all and it kind of made it feel like that route wasn't an option anymore.
Kingokings204
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You can't reform from within and this was proved with Cameron's non deal. Tony Blair gave away 6 billion of our rebate in 2005. I like you Earlsdon would of voted remain with reform like you and millions of others. That's why leave won.
If the eu said we can control our numbers of immigration remain would of won at a landslide.
NorthernWisdom
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That's not what everybody voted for.
Only desperate extremists would suggest otherwise!
NorthernWisdom
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But the point is it was never explained in nuance what leave actually *meant*.
Apart from:
I'd be (quite rightly!) pulled up if I suggested everybody who voted leave was a little bit racist and that was why they voted leave...
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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But what is trying to be said is that people 'voted to leave, but not to leave.'
Sorry, it's just hash.
NorthernWisdom
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Nope, what people are saying is that 'leave' can take many forms.
clint van damme
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i wish. away for a few days. if i get the post right first time its fine but if i have to go back and change anything im snookered. might have to try this tapatalk malarkey out.
Sick Boy
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Grendel
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The bottom line is that the whole remain campaign was a negative campaign attempting to use fear and uncertainty as a means of getting votes.
From the outset it knew Britain was anti Europe. The definable benefits are negligible.
Britain is essentially a middle ground country. It doesn't like socialism and it doesn't like facism - other European countries are more extreme and right wing factions more popular.
The Eu is a right wing undemocratic quango in effect.
The campaign couldn't be positive as there were no benefits do it lied and frightened people.
We made the correct decision. We fought against rule from a third reich and this is the peacetime equivalent.
In years to come history will mock the remainers and the lies and fear tactics.
From the outset it knew Britain was anti Europe. The definable benefits are negligible.
Britain is essentially a middle ground country. It doesn't like socialism and it doesn't like facism - other European countries are more extreme and right wing factions more popular.
The Eu is a right wing undemocratic quango in effect.
The campaign couldn't be positive as there were no benefits do it lied and frightened people.
We made the correct decision. We fought against rule from a third reich and this is the peacetime equivalent.
In years to come history will mock the remainers and the lies and fear tactics.
Sick Boy
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After your sneering election predictions, this will be your second Michael Fish moment.
Grendel
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Well no because both results show how gullible and moronic the "youth vote" is.
On the one hand they cry and express anger and disgust at leaving the EU (without a single coherent argument why) and on the other hand see an elderly, socialist eu despising dinasaur as the bright future.
You can't legislate for stupidity and ignorance. In the end though they will be protected as the more sensible element of society still managed to come through.
lifeskyblue
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Your arrogance knows no bounds.
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SkyblueBazza
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For all we know we may have prospered even more outside of the EU over the same time...we will never know.
We are leaving the EU...we all have to get used to it...and move on...seek new opportunities and ways of doing things. That is the only fact.
Had we remained, it was a leap into the dark there too. EU leaders may have taken it as a mandate for them to exert pressurise the UK to ditch the pound, joint armed forces and much more - whether any of those would be/have been good for the UK is also anyone's guess.
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SkyblueBazza
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Yes...coz that emergency budget within 24hrs is what has seen us through relatively unscathed so far isn't it?
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