17779 attendance means one thing (7 Viewers)

[I_Saw_Shaw_Score]

Would be a good gesture to offer any st holder or people who bought match packages a good early bird deal.

Of course forgot about the packages yep same again!
Maybe even release this if we have a good jan and people might by ST for last 8/9 home games, with the aim
Of buying one next season if we go up.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Talking to yourself?

Fat fingers. Thought I'd pressed the edit button, turns out I'd pressed the reply with quote button.

 

[Nick]

Of course forgot about the packages yep same again!
Maybe even release this if we have a good jan and people might by ST for last 8/9 home games, with the aim
Of buying one next season if we go up.

I think if they look on the system and somebody who has bought tickets for more than half of home games too offer it. Repay the faith!

 

[I_Saw_Shaw_Score]

I think if they look on the system and somebody who has bought tickets for more than half of home games too offer it. Repay the faith!

Then you get the complications of people that say have been to 12 home games but paid on the gate and haven't retained stubs.

 

[Nick]

Then you get the complications of people that say have been to 12 home games but paid on the gate and haven't retained stubs.

I guess so, would be nice to be able to reward people for showing faith this season.

 

[I_Saw_Shaw_Score]

I guess so, would be nice to be able to reward people for showing faith this season.

Has to be done in capacity, plus I'm sure with the clubs ticketing issues suit them to be abl to sort and distribute tickets over the course of the off season as opposed to end of July.

 

[stupot07]

It wouldn't actually be 15k. You have to lose a certain amount of available seats for segregation and a certain amount will be away allocation so what would you actual number of seats will be left for home fans? 11-12k maybe a little more?

Depends on the design of the ground. If designed right you wouldn't need to lose 3-4K for segregation.


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[skybluetony176]

Depends on the design of the ground. If designed right you wouldn't need to lose 3-4K for segregation.


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On a tight site like the BPA design is going to be a compromise dictated by a number of restrictions. Can't an away team request 10% for league games and 15% for cup games of the stadium capacity? Seems we're going to loose at least a couple of thousand from the overall capacity for home fan's so that means 13k for home fans. That's a big restriction on ticket revenue and a hindrance to the clubs progress whichever way you try to polish it.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

How are we going to challenge at the top of the championship when we have one of the bottom 3-4 turnovers in the league and owners who aren't willing to throw in another £10-15m pa?


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Well we have a new deal at the Ricoh so who knows we may now have a better turnover after all our rental costs this season is well below what most clubs have to pay just for the upkeep of there stadiums.

 

[stupot07]

Well we have a new deal at the Ricoh so who knows we may now have a better turnover after all our rental costs this season is well below what most clubs have to pay just for the upkeep of there stadiums.

It still won't be enough as teams tend to have £20m+ wage bill. Our turnover will still only be £10.5-11m.


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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

It still won't be enough as teams tend to have £20m+ wage bill. Our turnover will still only be £10.5-11m.


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And where do you think these other clubs get this extra 10 million from?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

It still won't be enough as teams tend to have £20m+ wage bill. Our turnover will still only be £10.5-11m.


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Not arguing that but can't see where all these other teams can make £10m just from owning their grounds and sales of pies excetera?
The Ricoh has never made anywhere near that an has more activities on then most Arenas in the country?

 

[stupot07]

Not arguing that but can't see where all these other teams can make £10m just from owning their grounds and sales of pies excetera?
The Ricoh has never made anywhere near that an has more activities on then most Arenas in the country?

Well they seem though. We had midtable attendances yet bottom 4 revenues/turnover. They also then have owners willing to throw in another £10m+ pa.


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[letsallsingtogether]

Well they seem though. We had midtable attendances yet bottom 4 revenues/turnover. They also then have owners willing to throw in another £10m+ pa.


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So if owners are willing to put in a few quid, what their stadiums make doesn't really matter.
If we owned the Arena we would be lucky to make 2-3 million if past profits are taken into account and then we would have to run it more proffesionally.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Well they seem though. We had midtable attendances yet bottom 4 revenues/turnover. They also then have owners willing to throw in another £10m+ pa.


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Not according to a statement in the original JR which was never challenged.

Second point hit nail head.

 

[stupot07]

Not according to a statement in the original JR which was never challenged.

Second point hit nail head.

What statement? In our last season in the championship our turnover was £10.7m, only 3 teams had lower turnovers - Peterborough, Doncaster and Barnsley. No coincidence we're all now in league one.


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[Astute]

Well they seem though. We had midtable attendances yet bottom 4 revenues/turnover. They also then have owners willing to throw in another £10m+ pa.

So we could have a cheap rental agreement with all income going to our club and nothing but fat b@stards as supporters after eating 10 pies each game and no upkeep of the stadium, yet have one of the lowest incomes?

So I take it we won't see on here again that we need to own our own stadium to be able to compete in the championship

 

[stupot07]

So if owners are willing to put in a few quid, what their stadiums make doesn't really matter.
If we owned the Arena we would be lucky to make 2-3 million if past profits are taken into account and then we would have to run it more proffesionally.

You need both. If every owner whacked in the same £13m limit we'd still have one of the lowest 3-4 revenues in the league.


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[stupot07]

So we could have a cheap rental agreement with all income going to our club and nothing but fat b@stards as supporters after eating 10 pies each game and no upkeep of the stadium, yet have one of the lowest incomes?

So I take it we won't see on here again that we need to own our own stadium to be able to compete in the championship

No you need make as much money at the stadium as possible then an owner willing to put extra in.


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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

K

What statement? In our last season in the championship our turnover was £10.7m, only 3 teams had lower turnovers - Peterborough, Doncaster and Barnsley. No coincidence we're all now in league one.


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The statement in the JR which said our turnover was actually 15 million this was never disputed. It was an a thread about a month ago when I pointed this out to you funnily enough you didn't answer and no I'm not going to look for the thread. You find it and you explain it.

 

[stupot07]

K

The statement in the JR which said our turnover was actually 15 million this was never disputed. It was an a thread about a month ago when I pointed this out to you funnily enough you didn't answer and no I'm not going to look for the thread. You find it and you explain it.

£10.8m not £15m.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/42971-Sky-Blue-Sports-amp-Leisure-2013-accounts

Our turnover has been nowhere near £15m since we had parachute payments

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/23232-Published-Income-details


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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

J

What statement? In our last season in the championship our turnover was £10.7m, only 3 teams had lower turnovers - Peterborough, Doncaster and Barnsley. No coincidence we're all now in league one.


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£10.8m not £15m.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/42971-Sky-Blue-Sports-amp-Leisure-2013-accounts


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With all four respect to OSB in the JR 15 million was stated as the turnover this was never disputed so either the person who stated it was that figure was a liar or the accounts were wrong now I'm not accusing anyone of wrong doing here you understand

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Sorry got Wingy syndrome today I meant with all due respect

 

[stupot07]

J



With all four respect to OSB in the JR 15 million was stated as the turnover this was never disputed so either the person who stated it was that figure was a liar or the accounts were wrong now I'm not accusing anyone of wrong doing here you understand

You could be mistaken, or sisu didn't dispute as it was non issue in JR. They are the published accounts, they have been audited and are a legal document.


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[stupot07]

You could be mistaken, or sisu didn't dispute as it was non issue in JR. They are the published accounts, they have been audited and are a legal document.


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Have found the post but to be honest I believe the actual public legal document of the accounts than what looks like someone's testimony of a meeting that took place 3-4 years ago.


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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

What statement? In our last season in the championship our turnover was £10.7m, only 3 teams had lower turnovers - Peterborough, Doncaster and Barnsley. No coincidence we're all now in league one.


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You could be mistaken, or sisu didn't dispute as it was non issue in JR. They are the published accounts, they have been audited and are a legal document.


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I'm not disputing that after all I use the same auditors as Starbucks

 

[stupot07]

I'm not disputing that after all I use the same auditors as Starbucks

What's that got to do with anything?

Hopefully OSB will clear this up. I'm sorry but I don't buy the £15m and losing £5m on top. There no way we spent that much money.

I'll leave you to it now, we will be fine, we will be a financial force and we will win promoted from the championship next year.


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[letsallsingtogether]

What's that got to do with anything?

Hopefully OSB will clear this up. I'm sorry but I don't buy the £15m and losing £5m on top. There no way we spent that much money.

I'll leave you to it now, we will be fine, we will be a financial force and we will win promoted from the championship next year.


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No we won't because as you have said owners are putting money in.
Ours have said they won't.
But all will be ok because when they all go bust we can then be in the top half.☺
PUSB

 

[ps1948]

Walsalls a Tuesday night game plus people are always skint after Xmas and new year, so won't be anywhere near yesterday's attendance. Perhaps 12.5k.


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So your estimate of the next game has gone up by about 14% in the matter of a few hours from 11000 to 12500 - quite a spectacular increase.....

 

[skybluetony176]

What statement? In our last season in the championship our turnover was £10.7m, only 3 teams had lower turnovers - Peterborough, Doncaster and Barnsley. No coincidence we're all now in league one.


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Peterborough and Doncaster both have restricted income due to stadiums with 15k capacity and Barnsley fans must be more fickle than us because despite having a stadium with 23k capacity didn't even average 10k last season which surely must dent their playing budget big time.

Funny thing about threads on the BPA and the proposed stadium of 12-15k the same posters (for the most part) who say that anyone who moans about the budget while participating in NOPM until the owners have gone only have themselves to blame surely the same could be said about anyone who champions an inferior stadium would also only have themselves to blame for a lack of playing budget because it's ceiling is going to be hit and hit hard when you more than halve your potential ticket revenue.

If a 20k stadium with the capability of rising to 25k at the BPA was possible I'd be all for it. The same goes for any other site in Coventry or just on the borders although if it was a brown field site with plenty of room I don't see why you just wouldn't build a 25k stadium in the first place.

Talk of 12-15k would not only kill the clubs potential it would stop it ever being rekindled. It's a nonsense and shouldn't be championed by supporters in case it gives our owners (regardless of who they are) a reason to do it.

 

[dongonzalos]

Fair enough. I was just commenting on the 'plant' reference, and can now see where you were coming from.

I do agree wholeheartedly with you that we need a stadium with a larger capacity than 15k. What, when and if a new stadium ever happens will be for another day.

It was just nice to reward a good crowd with 3 points.

Totally agree Moff

 

[dongonzalos]

What ticket prices do you think we'd charge in the championship out of interest?

25k capacity stadium and owners with ambition to fill it. Or 15k capacity and ramp up the prices so only those with more expendibleincome can come.....
Out of interest?

 

[dongonzalos]

I think if they look on the system and somebody who has bought tickets for more than half of home games too offer it. Repay the faith!

Too right start looking after your loyal customers

 

[dongonzalos]

So your estimate of the next game has gone up by about 14% in the matter of a few hours from 11000 to 12500 - quite a spectacular increase.....

Which will actually be surpringly correct from the usually (glass half empty) Stu . If we maintain this form as the season goes on our average will be 15-17 k.
An equivalent season in the championship 20-25 k.

 

[stupot07]

So your estimate of the next game has gone up by about 14% in the matter of a few hours from 11000 to 12500 - quite a spectacular increase.....

Not really, I'd forgotten we were playing Walsall. That said it is a Tuesday night game after Xmas and so will be nowhere near yesterday's gate.....and I did say circa11k so that gives me +/-1k leverage


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