Uncomfortable reading.... (23 Viewers)
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chiefdave
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Works both ways, unfortunately a lot of the media is as good as unregulated and reports with as much bias as they want.
Look at the situation in Oregon. White American armed gunmen seize control of a government building and say they are happy to kill or be killed if anyone tries to take it back and they are protestors and activists.
If it had been muslims for example it would be all over the news and I doubt hte FBI woudl be making statements about giving them space or trying not to provoke them.
Look at the situation in Oregon. White American armed gunmen seize control of a government building and say they are happy to kill or be killed if anyone tries to take it back and they are protestors and activists.
If it had been muslims for example it would be all over the news and I doubt hte FBI woudl be making statements about giving them space or trying not to provoke them.
The Lurker
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You can see what the mentality of a lot the posters on here is. More rather dig out an MP on a other thread yet who is text pest than speak up against 1000's of rapists and muggers
bringbackrattles
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To put it in a nutshell the worlds fucking mental !
Sick Boy
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Sounds the same as Italy!
I rise to the bait.... Although I am not a leftie.... I am disgusted. These scum should be sent home. But, it's not that easy. Firstly you have to identify them and then prove that they are individually guilty. Difficult with a mob. Then some don't have papers and others will point to the Geneva convention. We don't know if they were all refugees. The police say Syrians have not been noticeably criminal. The ones that are noticeable in this respect ( pickpocketing in groups ) are young Morocans and people from Kosovo and Romania ( gypsies ). My experience was in October, when 3 'Arab looking' men came to my pub Halloween party and pickpocketed my guests. At this point there was no sex involved. These people seem to be people who were already here - there were reports last year of young Marocans in Hamburg. It is not just Arabs that are bad ( the majority are not ) - although the current trick is often carried out by Arabs. After the "Wende" ( fall of communism), I was beaten up and left in the gutter in East Germany, partly for money and partly for being dressed as a Wessie ( was wearing modern clothes from the West ). I spent 10 days in hospital where I was told that this happened a lot. The type of people who beat me up ( skins ) are now screaming how bad the refugees are. "Comedy gold" as one says on here.
the place is crawling with police at the moment. The main station is where most people who work in the city have to pass through.
how do you screen people from Syria? Phone up Aleppo? Plus, I would think people are less likely to be criminal when they have a job and live with their families. They can be "clean" on arrival, but become criminal when they have no job, little income and share rooms with strangers.
The problem here in Germany is not the new influx, but the failed integration of e.g. People from the Lebanon. A large percentage of organised crime crimes in Berlin is carried out by a few Arab clans. They live their lives in their families, have their own "courts" and settle their own disputes..... The challenge today is to integrate people from another culture. One that is a couple of hundred years behind our culture. I am not enjoying this, but there is a war going on and, frankly there are no easy solutions. This new "fad" for the petty criminals has taken petty crime to serious crime. I suspect there are people pulling strings - bigger criminals from the Arab parallel society. It is strange that it - sexual distraction of the victims - wasn't heard of until, suddenly, it's everywhere at once.
How do you screen a million people? The police say, that the reason there were not enough police in Cologne, was that many have been sent to the borders to register migrants. If they had to register and screen a million migrants, then we would have even less police for normal policing. This is war - and with modern communications and travel possibilities, we in Germany as a wealthy country, are on the front line as regards refugees - like it or not.
lordsummerisle
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If any of these mysogynist immigrants can play football to a decent standard should we offer them a contract?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Sick Boy
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Is there something about being foreign that makes people more susceptible to doing this?
An ex-girlfriend of mine was over in England with her brother before me and her met, a fat drunken Englishman decided to grope her. Looking back, his DNA must have been contaminated as a Christian Englishman would never do such a thing!!
An ex-girlfriend of mine was over in England with her brother before me and her met, a fat drunken Englishman decided to grope her. Looking back, his DNA must have been contaminated as a Christian Englishman would never do such a thing!!
I think living together with mainly men, as a man, having little money, not speaking the language, having no social contact with locals, having no constructive occupation may bring out the worst in people. Some undoubtedly bad people joined by others under the influence of alcohol taking advantage of the situation and behaving like animals. The culture of regarding women who dress themselves attractively as whores and as fair game doesn't help in this case, but it isn't a question of race. Religion formed this culture and I hope that at least some of the migrants will integrate. It would help if the German Pegida people would also drop their "defence" of the christian religion. They are helping no-one. We don't need religion in order to get along with people.
Ian1779
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As well as those who clearly don't understand the topic in the first place.
Immigration is not the same as accepting refugees. The only people that try and put them as one issue are the people behind such visionary publications as the Daily Mail.
A bit like today's 'scandal' that exams are being moved for Muslim students due to Ramadan. They were scheduled earlier in the year nearly 10 months ago - but that won't fit into the 'sensationalist headline' category nearly as well.
Joy Division
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Of course this is appalling behavior, the police in Germany really need to get control of this situation.
I'm guessing also that the almost daily attacks on refugee camps are headline news too?
I'm guessing also that the almost daily attacks on refugee camps are headline news too?
lewys33
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Nothing like selecting specific evidence to support your agenda. Let's not forget we only recognised women over the age of 30 in 1918, and women over 21 10 years later (vote). Gay marriage has only just been voted for in Ireland. Those bastard catholics with their views on who you should marry just like the muslims.
Changing views/beliefs doesn't happen overnight.
Truly awful what happened. It is strange how it appears to be common place now that every story has to say if the person involved is (e.g.) muslim or not. I agree it should be mentioned in this case as it is large scale but it is still strange.
Changing views/beliefs doesn't happen overnight.
Truly awful what happened. It is strange how it appears to be common place now that every story has to say if the person involved is (e.g.) muslim or not. I agree it should be mentioned in this case as it is large scale but it is still strange.
Well that's the thing Lewis, none of us were there and can only go on anecdotal evidence,but there have been suggestions of it being presented in a sympathetic way or even buried.
I can only guess that social media has brought it into the open,although that doesn't mean it's accurate.
Going back 25 yrs Frankfurts Banhoff was a nightmare to negotiate with druggies whores beggars and theives lingering around entrances /underpasses etc, nothing on this scale though.
Nick
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Sounds like a night out in Nuneaton in 2003!
Well you could get a decent kebab tbf.
But it was a nightmare if you'd had a few trying to cross an 8 lane carriageway and a silent tramline at 2 or 3 in the morning.
fernandopartridge
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The difference is that homosexuality is legal in Ireland and the UK and has been for some time, admittedly Ireland was only 20 years ago. Unlike Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco Oman, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan etc etc etc
Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Yemen are places where being homosexual is punishable by death. All of these countries have something in common, can't put my finger on it.....
fernandopartridge
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I was in Cologne just before Christmas, the area around the HBF was very busy but there were groups of blokes hanging about, certainly somewhere to keep your wits about you.
fernandopartridge
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Was he with a mob of others?
No, that was the England Defence League - lots of unruly drunken yobs shouting insults and frightening people. They, or rather their "leader", has been to Germany to learn tactics from Lutz Bachmann the Pegida leader. How very apt. Both have criminal records. "Ours" for mortgage fraud and the Germans' Pegida leader, for burglary. Just the sort of people to organise law and order rallies.
Needless to say, the social networks here are disgusting. Some newspapers have stopped having discussion forums where the refugees get mentioned.
The state TV channels did hold back the news because of fear of a backlash and also because the first police reports said that Cologne was quieter than usual. The women seem to have been in schock and to have been frightened. There were not enough police to deal with the filing of complaints on the night anyway. The details are coming out now. The women are filing their complaints and telling their stories. The number of complaints is over 100. The police are under fire, but they say they are undermanned and that no-one could have predicted this concerted action by so many men. It has never happened in post war Germany before. Kristallnacht in 1938 was more widespread and even tolerated by the then state/ party.
hill83
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Disgusting behaviour by an absolute set of cunts.
As for this lefties bollocks, politically I consider myself left leaning but think that anyone who is in anyway religious at all is a brainwashed cretin. I'll laugh at all religions, and questioning Islam isn't racist as people who are Muslim aren't a race.
A few people seem absolutely made up about what's happened in Germany though as it nicely fuels their rhetoric. I'm buzzing for you lads. Well done.
As for people moving to a different country, they've got to integrate. My grandad came over from Jamaica in the 50s and intergrated. It really should be as simple as that.
As for this lefties bollocks, politically I consider myself left leaning but think that anyone who is in anyway religious at all is a brainwashed cretin. I'll laugh at all religions, and questioning Islam isn't racist as people who are Muslim aren't a race.
A few people seem absolutely made up about what's happened in Germany though as it nicely fuels their rhetoric. I'm buzzing for you lads. Well done.
As for people moving to a different country, they've got to integrate. My grandad came over from Jamaica in the 50s and intergrated. It really should be as simple as that.
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Sick Boy
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As far as I can remember, according to her, there were about 5 or 6 of them. I'm sure they represented a "a mob" to a foreign 5ft 23 year old.
Sick Boy
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Excellent post!
Grendel
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Yes you are correct - the last paragraph is the most telling thing as well.
Now the police reports refute what the police chief said. He claimed that the mob were North African and were stealing and that the sexual touching up was incidental. The police reports say the opposite. Sexual amusement and incidental stealing. Mainly refugees. AfD ( our UKIP ) have posted a picture of a frightened white girl being harassed by a big black man - the picture was taken from a racist American site a and originally posted in 2010. Just an example of the bullshit that is flying around from all sides.
Ian1779
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There have been fuckheads doing all sorts of abhorrent things in the name of religion for the last 2500 years.
Too many people being brainwashed by media into grouping Islam, immigration and refugees as the same thing.
Each has its own problems that need addressing - you can't solve all 3 with the same approach
duffer
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I'm a bit confused here, because anyone who has even a basic understanding of politics should understand that it's the 'lefties' (like me) that have traditionally supported feminism and stood up against sexism. And taking in our fair share of refugees, particularly from countries that we're actually involved in dropping bombs on, seems like the decent thing to do to me.
That said, once these people are allowed into the country, they have to learn (and quickly) that the very minimum standard expected of them is respect for the law - and no cultural or religious belief transcends this. What went on in Cologne is utterly unacceptable, and I don't think it's just the Tories that are denouncing it.
However let's not pretend it's only people of a certain culture that are capable of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. There's plenty of non-muslim british men that still behave hideously towards women. Refugees/asylum-seekers/migrants aside, there's still no shortage of wife-beaters, rapists, gropers, sex-pests (Marlon King, take a bow!), 'no-really-means-yes', horn-tooting, wolf-whistling leering neanderthals in this country - and all those things make womens' lives a bit more miserable.
It might be worth pondering this when considering whether to join in with the traditional 'get your tits out for the lads' or the Reda Johnson 'cock' chants - some parts of our culture aren't exactly civilised either.
That said, once these people are allowed into the country, they have to learn (and quickly) that the very minimum standard expected of them is respect for the law - and no cultural or religious belief transcends this. What went on in Cologne is utterly unacceptable, and I don't think it's just the Tories that are denouncing it.
However let's not pretend it's only people of a certain culture that are capable of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. There's plenty of non-muslim british men that still behave hideously towards women. Refugees/asylum-seekers/migrants aside, there's still no shortage of wife-beaters, rapists, gropers, sex-pests (Marlon King, take a bow!), 'no-really-means-yes', horn-tooting, wolf-whistling leering neanderthals in this country - and all those things make womens' lives a bit more miserable.
It might be worth pondering this when considering whether to join in with the traditional 'get your tits out for the lads' or the Reda Johnson 'cock' chants - some parts of our culture aren't exactly civilised either.
covcity4life
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