TM Press Conference Today...question about Burton... (4 Viewers)

[Macca]

I really can't understand a forum when you can't debate issues without people crying and and insinuating that fans enjoy it when we fail. The OP made a good conversation point. Otherwise we have one thread called "I love Coventry City".

 

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[hill83]

I really can't understand a forum when you can't debate issues without people crying and and insinuating that fans enjoy it when we fail. The OP made a good conversation point. Otherwise we have one thread called "I love Coventry City".

Some do love it. I wasn't just talking about on here. I'm not crying.

 

[skybluetony176]

I think some of our fans could do with reading up on Alex Ferguson's time at Man United. Fans were protesting at one point holding up banners saying 3 years of excuses while calling for him to get the sack and look what he achieved given time. Football fans don't make good critics it's that simple and anyone who thinks TM and MV are doing a shit job have basically misunderstood what a mess our club was in every area and how much rebuilding has had to go on not just on the pitch but everywhere it's actually amazing that they have managed to achieved what they have in such a period of time. AF's Man U certainly hadn't made that sort of progress in that short of time and he was starting from a much stronger starting point.

 

[Grendel]

Or we could look at where we were when he took over and congratulate him for moving the team forward so much in such as short space of time and look forward to making the same leaps forward over the next season.

The club was a basket case when he took over. Some people have short memories.

Like Pressley did at sixfields you mean?

 

[skybluegod]

Winning is all that matters.

Ask an arsenal fan if they'd like to have won 5 titles in the last decade the Graham way or be permanent bridesmaids playing the Wenger way.

Poor defending, inconsistency and weak midfield strength isn't good football.

No one will thank Mowbray if we miss out by playing good football. Good football is winning football.

Is that true? Even when LVG has got 'good' results for united this season, fans still get on his back for a boring style of play?

Plus what I think is massively important and especially at this level, attacking football with lots of goals, is going to make people turn up at games. So increasing revenue. Some people may not be bothered if they think all they will see is 1-0 and 0-0 results?

also does a good type of attacking football not help to bring in players of better class? Especially on the offensive side? Would Armstrong have scored as many at burton as he has here? If we had played like burton, would Newcastle be keen for him to have stayed on when he's not being given a great chance to develop?

Just my opinion and tbh every manager has there own philosophies, but tbh I'm just gonna enjoy the ride this season.

 

[Grendel]

Is that true? Even when LVG has got 'good' results for united this season, fans still get on his back for a boring style of play?

Plus what I think is massively important and especially at this level, attacking football with lots of goals, is going to make people turn up at games. So increasing revenue. Some people may not be bothered if they think all they will see is 1-0 and 0-0 results?

also does a good type of attacking football not help to bring in players of better class? Especially on the offensive side? Would Armstrong have scored as many at burton as he has here? If we had played like burton, would Newcastle be keen for him to have stayed on when he's not being given a great chance to develop?

Just my opinion and tbh every manager has there own philosophies, but tbh I'm just gonna enjoy the ride this season.

Mourinhio is a very negative manager but when he gets results no one complains.

If we won every game this season 1-0 with a last minute penalty would you have issues? Doubt many would.

 

[dongonzalos]

Done us proud so far, changing the manager every couple of years for the last 10 years.
Definitely the way forward. Think we may have had more mangers than years.

If he doesn't get in the Top six after we just about escaped relegation last season, he would be a disgrace!!!

 

[skybluegod]

He has plenty of credit left in the bank but for someone who likes developing players the change in strategy of signing 30 something players who are in decline and wasting a loan on a player who has zero worth to the team are clearly concerns.

If he doesn't achieve a top 6 finish given the position we were in 10 games ago you would seriously then question if we retain him next season.

Why would changing manager help once again? It's such a short term its approach chopping and changing manager. If TM goes all the new guy will do is, is change the team completely again.
I don't think we will get promoted this season, and I have believed so all season, but I think what TM's doing is putting the club on a very sound basing, and it would be unfair to sack him even if we do fall out of the play offs, it's too easy to change a manager, and expect a new guy to come in and suddenly pick us up? How well has that worked for the last 16 years? Time for a bit of stability and support, in order to give the club a better platform to grow again.

 

[skybluegod]

Mourinhio is a very negative manager but when he gets results no one complains.

If we won every game this season 1-0 with a last minute penalty would you have issues? Doubt many would.

i would, because it would almost certainly be match fixing and we would be kicked out this league

 

[Hobo]

I never saw Leeds and Liverpool fans complaining in the seventies...in fact they thought they were the greatest.

Sometimes I enjoy a nil nil rather than a 3-2...sometimes the latter is full of carp play while the former is two sides on the edge of out thinking each other.

Let me endorse Burton are a solid efficient side and their nose never bled last year.

 

[skybluetony176]

Like Pressley did at sixfields you mean?

I have always said and will always maintain that SP did a difficult job under very difficult circumstances and although I believe that the time was right for him to go I will always be grateful for what he achieved at the club.

But to compare SP's time as manager to TM's time so far show's exactly how little understanding you have of not only what was happening at the club while SP was manager but also what TM and MV have had to do since both signing on in the summer.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Just to clarify, I'm not criticising the team or TM, despite our recent form. I merely thought it was a strange comment and wanted to share that...


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[hill83]

I have always said and will always maintain that SP did a difficult job under very difficult circumstances and although I believe that the time was right for him to go I will always be grateful for what he achieved at the club.

But to compare SP's time as manager to TM's time so far show's exactly how little understanding you have of not only what was happening at the club while SP was manager but also what TM and MV have had to do since both signing on in the summer.

But INTERNET POINTS

 

[Otis]

I really can't understand a forum when you can't debate issues without people crying and and insinuating that fans enjoy it when we fail. The OP made a good conversation point. Otherwise we have one thread called "I love Coventry City".

Don't think they enjoy it but it always seems out of proportion.

We've done really well and the talk has been of play-offs and possible promotion, with people really happy with what TM has done.

You just know though that if we say lost the next 3 games in a row it really would go wildly over the top with fans on here saying he has to go and that it's a poor team and he is rubbish after all etc. etc.

There is a lack of balance and a lack of semblance of rationality at times. We are 5th and it's been a great season. People are rightly questioning things at the moment and that is fine and I don't see anyone crying, but some have already been calling for TM's head after our first back to back defeats of the season. It just needs a sense of proportion that's all.

You know Macca as well as I do that if we lose another 2 or 3 games the whole forum is going to explode into a tsunami of over the top negativity and it will get quite ridiculous.

 

[skybluetony176]

One other thing worth pointing out. Our drop in form started happening not long after the appointment of Chris Anderson. What's the chances that SW was happy to keep his nose out of footballing matters but CA isn't and that's upsetting the team from the top down?

The reason I say that is because when CA was first appointed like most I googled him and stumbled across a video interview where he was talking about the best minute during a game to make a substation statistically speaking if you're not winning. Don't remember what the exact minute but do remember us making a sub at that minute the next time we were in that position.

I can't help but wonder if the ship is being rocked from within and we have another RR on board.

 

[skybluetony176]

But INTERNET POINTS

I'm definitely not here to win any of them and I doubt that's something anyone would argue with so just who could you be referring to :thinking about:

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I can sort of see what TM is saying if I had to watch Burton grinding out results like that all the time I think I would give up watching, to me a bit like we were under Pressley towards the end but without the results. But they are getting results on a very limited budget.

I still think Burton will be caught and passed by Wigan

 

[Hobo]

One other thing worth pointing out. Our drop in form started happening not long after the appointment of Chris Anderson. What's the chances that SW was happy to keep his nose out of footballing matters but CA isn't and that's upsetting the team from the top down?

The reason I say that is because when CA was first appointed like most I googled him and stumbled across a video interview where he was talking about the best minute during a game to make a substation statistically speaking if you're not winning. Don't remember what the exact minute but do remember us making a sub at that minute the next time we were in that position.

I can't help but wonder if the ship is being rocked from within and we have another RR on board.

When did Anderson join and when did Cole join out of vBulletin interest?

 

[skybluetony176]

"Believe it when I see it" - A response to us getting two new players in.
"Normal service resumed" - After we lost two in a row.
"Typical city"
"Always happens to us"
"Never perform when there's a big gate" (Lost at home once all season)

Some fuckers absolutely love it. It's the reason why I've not been on here much lately, which I'm sure some of you are pleased about.

When you're talking like this I miss you Hill. xxx

 

[stevefloyd]

All fans of every club want their team to win every game and score bucket loads of goals, this just isn't possible/real so when a club is starved of success like ours has been for nearly 30 years its a case of wanting all our golden eggs at once but I don't get some of the hysteria on here at times

 

[skybluetony176]

When did Anderson join and when did Cole join out of vBulletin interest?

I take your point but unless JC is leading a players revolt his only crimes seem to be not being able to play 90mins, puffing if he runs the length of the pitch a few times and missing quite a lot of games because he can't play two games in a week because he's the wrong side of 30 and is taking longer to get match fit than an 18year old.

Couple that with the fact that we look no better when he goes off or when he doesn't actually play at all I don't buy that one player has upset the balance. One board member interfering on the other hand? And we have a history of board members doing the latter. Sitting on the bench, text a sub etc.

Maybe SW understanding that letting TM and MV so their jobs without interfering is the best way forward was his undoing? Letting board members interfere has certainly been the SISU way in the past. Who's to say it isn't happening again?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Is that true? Even when LVG has got 'good' results for united this season, fans still get on his back for a boring style of play?

Plus what I think is massively important and especially at this level, attacking football with lots of goals, is going to make people turn up at games. So increasing revenue. Some people may not be bothered if they think all they will see is 1-0 and 0-0 results?

also does a good type of attacking football not help to bring in players of better class? Especially on the offensive side? Would Armstrong have scored as many at burton as he has here? If we had played like burton, would Newcastle be keen for him to have stayed on when he's not being given a great chance to develop?

Just my opinion and tbh every manager has there own philosophies, but tbh I'm just gonna enjoy the ride this season.

Man Utd are under performing, they haven't had good results at all, they are having a shocking season and will struggle to make the champions league. If they were sitting 5 points clear on top of the league you wouldn't hear any grumblings about LVG

 

[wingy]

When did Anderson join and when did Cole join out of vBulletin interest?

Like tony I've wondered around these points.
Think it also coincides with the introduction Of Jamie Clapham to first team affairs.
In answer to the points brought up re negativity etc or blaming TM for any shortcomings.
It really is nothing at all like that, it's merely querying and trying to understand how we fell of the pedestal we reached ten games ago.

 

[Grendel]

I take your point but unless JC is leading a players revolt his only crimes seem to be not being able to play 90mins, puffing if he runs the length of the pitch a few times and missing quite a lot of games because he can't play two games in a week because he's the wrong side of 30 and is taking longer to get match fit than an 18year old.

Couple that with the fact that we look no better when he goes off or when he doesn't actually play at all I don't buy that one player has upset the balance. One board member interfering on the other hand? And we have a history of board members doing the latter. Sitting on the bench, text a sub etc.

Maybe SW understanding that letting TM and MV so their jobs without interfering is the best way forward was his undoing? Letting board members interfere has certainly been the SISU way in the past. Who's to say it isn't happening again?

Astute says he is totally confident Mowbray has 100% control of all finances and player comings and goings. Are you indicating this is not the case?

Do you have any evidence?

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Just to clarify, I'm not criticising the team or TM, despite our recent form. I merely thought it was a strange comment and wanted to share that...


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I don't think it was a strange comment at all. First half of the season most if not all our fans were just drooling over the type of football we were playing.

If we get promoted this season, the manner and principles we play with to achieve that will be icing on the cake.

Burton won't Carry on winning one nil. They are not certainties for automatic in my opinion. Long long way to go.

 

[Sick Boy]

I really can't understand a forum when you can't debate issues without people crying and and insinuating that fans enjoy it when we fail. The OP made a good conversation point. Otherwise we have one thread called "I love Coventry City".

Bizarre, isn't it?

 

[Hobo]

I take your point but unless JC is leading a players revolt his only crimes seem to be not being able to play 90mins, puffing if he runs the length of the pitch a few times and missing quite a lot of games because he can't play two games in a week because he's the wrong side of 30 and is taking longer to get match fit than an 18year old.

Couple that with the fact that we look no better when he goes off or when he doesn't actually play at all I don't buy that one player has upset the balance. One board member interfering on the other hand? And we have a history of board members doing the latter. Sitting on the bench, text a sub etc.

Maybe SW understanding that letting TM and MV so their jobs without interfering is the best way forward was his undoing? Letting board members interfere has certainly been the SISU way in the past. Who's to say it isn't happening again?

Don't read too much into my comment. I just thought the other posters comment about Anderson's arrival effecting form was a bit bazaar. I am not saying Joe Cole has lead a revolt at all. But he was brought to unlock defences and add attacking flair, wasn't he? Rodney Marsh joining Man City comes to mind. Has his need around fitness requiring a rotational selection policy, coupled with a back four injury crisis, resulted in a lack of continuity from week to week?

I think our dip in form is multi faceted. We have a lot of young players. Had Injuries. Have fans that over estimated the progress made in our development? I still think our best football is to come.

 

[skybluetony176]

Astute says he is totally confident Mowbray has 100% control of all finances and player comings and goings. Are you indicating this is not the case?

Do you have any evidence?

Astute may well be correct. I've asked some questions as timings and history show this to be a possibility. Obviously this naturally asks questions of SISU which probably explains why you're jumping on your high horse insinuating in the sly way that you do that by asking questions I'm stating fact.

Non of us including you know what's happening behind the scenes and I'm more than happy to put my hands up and state that my questions are supposition and no more but there's no denying (except probably by you) that the timings are there as is a history of people who don't understand how to manage a football team being appointed by SISU to the boardroom and then interfering.

 

[skybluegod]

Man Utd are under performing, they haven't had good results at all, they are having a shocking season and will struggle to make the champions league. If they were sitting 5 points clear on top of the league you wouldn't hear any grumblings about LVG

Not strictly true, before Southampton, they had won 3 drawn 2 of their last 5, and people will still complaining, not because of results but because of performances, and the fact that they weren't scoring or even attacking. The problem with united isn't poor form, or bad results, it's a defensive style of play, which yes while yielding bad results, isn't 'the united way' which is why fans are so angry.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Not strictly true, before Southampton, they had won 3 drawn 2 of their last 5, and people will still complaining, not because of results but because of performances, and the fact that they weren't scoring or even attacking.

Edging 3 one goal margin victories and drawing 2 which was off the back of 3 straight league defeats isn't considered good form or a good run of results for a club like Man United though. To suggest Man Uniteds run of results this season has at any point been good or even acceptable this season is wrong.

The problem with united isn't poor form, or bad results, it's a defensive style of play, which yes while yielding bad results, isn't 'the united way' which is why fans are so angry.

They've been knocked out of the champions league at the group stage, have no hope of winning the league and are facing an uphill battle to qualify for the champions league. They've only won 43% of league matches this season which for a club like Man United is appalling, believe me when I say 80% of Man United's problems are because of the results. There would be no issue if LVG's style was delivering the necessary results but its not the results are significantly below the expectation levels of the club.


Can't believe you think Man United's results this season are acceptable for club there size.

 

[Brylowes]

Edging 3 one goal margin victories and drawing 2 which was off the back of 3 straight league defeats isn't considered good form or a good run of results for a club like Man United though. To suggest Man Uniteds run of results this season has at any point been good or even acceptable this season is wrong.



They've been knocked out of the champions league at the group stage, have no hope of winning the league and are facing an uphill battle to qualify for the champions league. They've only won 43% of league matches this season which for a club like Man United is appalling, believe me when I say 80% of Man United's problems are because of the results. There would be no issue if LVG's style was delivering the necessary results but its not the results are significantly below the expectation levels of the club.


Can't believe you think Man United's results this season are acceptable for club there size.

Who gives a flying ruck about man Utd .

 

[usskyblue]

Who gives a flying ruck about man Utd .

Top ranting m8

 

[covcity4life]

its not strange at all, its not the way he likes the game played just like wenger would say same thing. jose mourinho on other hand wouldnt care, its just different opinions

also he mentioned its now how he think is best way to get promoted but did cite that its clearly working right now

nothing bizzare imo. also burton aint promoted yet btw

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

When we were at Sixfields under Pressley, many of those who went commented that it was the most attractive attacking free-flowing football they had seen from a City team in all the time they had supported them. Fleck, Thomas, Moussa, Baker, Wilson and Clarke. We ripped teams to shreds for the first few months, and overturned that 10 point deduction to get into the play-off positions in no time at all. It was great, despite the very challenging circumstances not related to the football itself.
Then came that awful Sunday afternoon in Bradford, Wilson and Clarke got long-term injuries, other teams sussed us out, we stopped winning, we lost the attractive style, and the calls for Pressley's head came thick and fast because he couldn't restore it, and didn't have a "Plan B". I don't recall the exact stats, but our post-Christmas form was amongst the worst in the league. Even when Wilson came back, it never really got back to how it had been.

There ARE parallels here, so the criticism of Mowbray will not be far away, and he and the players need to turn it around.

PUSB

 

[skybluetony176]

When we were at Sixfields under Pressley, many of those who went commented that it was the most attractive attacking free-flowing football they had seen from a City team in all the time they had supported them. Fleck, Thomas, Moussa, Baker, Wilson and Clarke. We ripped teams to shreds for the first few months, and overturned that 10 point deduction to get into the play-off positions in no time at all. It was great, despite the very challenging circumstances not related to the football itself.
Then came that awful Sunday afternoon in Bradford, Wilson and Clarke got long-term injuries, other teams sussed us out, we stopped winning, we lost the attractive style, and the calls for Pressley's head came thick and fast because he couldn't restore it, and didn't have a "Plan B". I don't recall the exact stats, but our post-Christmas form was amongst the worst in the league. Even when Wilson came back, it never really got back to how it had been.

There ARE parallels here, so the criticism of Mowbray will not be far away, and he and the players need to turn it around.

PUSB

It's also worth noting that when Wilson did come back Clarke had gone to Wolves and Moussa had signed himself of sick ahead of moving on at the end of the season on a free. So the form second half of the season was more than other teams sussed us out and no plan B. The spine of the team was gone so it wasn't surprising that we were a different team second half of the season. Plan B was make do with what we had left as there was no other options.