Mean while back in court (6 Viewers)

[MusicDating]

To me this is all a bit like watching a Liverpool v Man Utd game. Yer, you're interested, but really you'd like both the fkers to lose.

 

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[James Smith]

Just seconding this. Seen too many people where it's gone wrong, and sometimes it's not because either side has done anything deliberately to harm the other orget one over them, just they remember and interpret things said and done slightly differently.

Yeah I've heard a horror story from someone who didn't get anything drawn up and came close to ruining a good friendship and nearly their finances.

 

[James Smith]

I said nothing about a smoking gun, and that article was about him discussing the Ricoh and Wasps and Coventry before he even took them over.

Talking of that I assume it's basically it's too early for us to know if it really was Mrs Whiter than White with the Smoking Gun in Car Park C. Don't think it can be a draw can it although Sisu might demand a replay.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Can anybody tell me what the outcome of today was?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Can anybody tell me what the outcome of today was?

Pages of tedious bickering.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Pages of tedious bickering.

Here or in court or indeed both?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Here or in court or indeed both?

I suspect both!

tbh haven't kept up myself (will wait for the result, and then watch the highlights) and only read the odd post in this thread... which has been more than enough!

 

[dongonzalos]

Not sure it can be appealed for a 3rd time. Regardless of who is paying it is still SISU vs the State and the case is the same.

I assume the judgement can be quashed. If it was going to cost you a fortune and a judge said he is surprised you are not there to be represented. Then he gets told you haven't been told anything about it. Then as oppose to adjourning it he just cracks on.
If they do decide in SISU's favour and the compo is huge and it is to be recovered from the Government. I would be gobsmacked if there isn't a challenge.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I suspect both!

tbh haven't kept up myself (will wait for the result, and then watch the highlights) and only read the odd post in this thread... which has been more than enough![/Q

Has the hearing actually finished?

 

[Nick]

I suspect both!

tbh haven't kept up myself (will wait for the result, and then watch the highlights) and only read the odd post in this thread... which has been more than enough![/Q

Has the hearing actually finished?

Gone away to make up their minds

 

[James Smith]

I've skimmed this thread and read the media write ups but I will just wait for the judgement. Maddison leaving is more important at the moment.

 

[James Smith]

Gone away to make up their minds

I had visions for a second there of the original Masterchef where Lloyd Grossman took the other two Judges off to the judgely huddle.

 

[Calista]

My Sky Blues starting XI for 2016-17:

------------------------ Lord-Justice ---------------------

Highcourt------Barrister----- Liquidator(c)------Escrow

--------------------Profit-----------Loss------------------

Cashflow-Neutral------- Shareholder ------- Leasehold

----------------------------Appeal------------------------

Subs: Revenue, Arrears, Writeoff, Counter-Appeal, Insolvency

It’s a flexible 4-2-3-1 formation, with Profit and Loss sitting just in front of a mean-looking back four, and a very safe pair of hands in goal. I’m relying on Rudy Appeal to get most of the goals, but if things aren’t going well his half-brother Dicky Counter-Appeal can be brought on from the bench.

Who needs football anyway?

 

[ccfcway]

My Sky Blues starting XI for 2016-17:

------------------------ Lord-Justice ---------------------

Highcourt------Barrister----- Liquidator(c)------Escrow

--------------------Profit-----------Loss------------------

Cashflow-Neutral------- Shareholder ------- Leasehold

----------------------------Appeal------------------------

Subs: Revenue, Arrears, Writeoff, Counter-Appeal, Insolvency

It’s a flexible 4-2-3-1 formation, with Profit and Loss sitting just in front of a mean-looking back four, and a very safe pair of hands in goal. I’m relying on Rudy Appeal to get most of the goals, but if things aren’t going well his half-brother Dicky Counter-Appeal can be brought on from the bench.

Who needs football anyway?

And if this doesn't work out, the council can come in with a long term loanee

 

[oldskyblue58]

CCC were talking with Wasps in March 2012 (or earlier but that is a documented date).

Richardson met with Rossborough in late 2012, that was confirmed by Rossborough when interviewed by CWR.

Richardson took over Wasps March 2013 from his business associate David Thorne (having previously been involved with the club and having previously provided finance).

Eastwood appointed shortly after and club state they will be returning to their natural home in West London.

March 2013 negotiations between ACL and SISU collapse and ACL apply to put the club in administration.

Summer 2013 CCFC move to Northampton.

Timing all seems very coincidental :thinking about:

Certainly seems to point to other things going on

But if they were then isn't there also a different side to the coin also

If it all fits then it also gives CCC more confidence in the future of ACL without CCFC doesn't it? Means that the income projections are more solid than being portrayed because there is potential for income to replace ccfc income? The loan then becomes a method of buying time for a known objective doesn't it not a speculative risky knee jerk? and ACL wasn't as weak financially as thought.

Think the ACL/SISU negotiations effectively collapsed December 2012, there was no ownership deal at that point, discussions in January 2013 focussed on rent and income rights. Administration was the culmination of a legal process started April 2012, if that process was never contested the only destination was administration. Only way, without the landlords agreement, the lease could be broken was administration. Who did that best suit or who was best placed for that? Was there collusion in that by both sides who knows? Would think there are cheaper ways to change a lease

But it wasn't as if SISU/CCFC were not taking their own hidden actions in the background though was it

Both sides as bad as each other in so called "double dealing" if you ask me. Not sure any of it was illegal (the state aid not proven as yet)

But none of this actually focusses on whether the decision of the loan on the terms given by CCC at the time was indeed State Aid or not

 

[Captain Dart]

I assume the judgement can be quashed. If it was going to cost you a fortune and a judge said he is surprised you are not there to be represented. Then he gets told you haven't been told anything about it. Then as oppose to adjourning it he just cracks on.
If they do decide in SISU's favour and the compo is huge and it is to be recovered from the Government. I would be gobsmacked if there isn't a challenge.

What compensation? I can find no references where major damages have been awarded for illegal state aid, the main thrust of discussion around the topic is that it is nearly impossible to prove that state aid was awarded.

 

[Specs WT-R75]

The fact she said the first contact was July the year they took over, but they were waiting wings with a document from 2012 is one.

Imagine if it was something proving tim Fisher wrong about a stadium....which is also common.

If he had said there was 5% chance there was going to be a stadium in Solihull, there would be fois, minutes from council meetings to try and disprove him.

Whereas ann Lucas and maton seem to get free reign on bullshit.

the fucking woman couldn't lie straight in bed...

 

[Nick]

the fucking woman couldn't lie straight in bed...

But seems to get free reign of bullshit. Probably a perk of a good PR company

 

[dongonzalos]

What compensation? I can find no references where major damages have been awarded for illegal state aid, the main thrust of discussion around the topic is that it is nearly impossible to prove that state aid was awarded.

The Lord himself said any damages would likely come from the government.
(Well not the 'Lord') a Lord

 

[Captain Dart]

The Lord himself said any damages would likely come from the government.
(Well not the 'Lord') a Lord

By the sounds the Judges are making I would expect this to go to a European Court next. Happy days. :facepalm:

 

[fernandopartridge]

By that sounds the judges are making I would expect this to go to a European court next. Happy days. :facepalm:

Not really, why would the case need to be heard again?

Coventry City Council is a representative of the state in this case. I suspect the BIS government department will be the ones expected to pay compensation.

 

[blueflint]

personally i lost all interest in this.

 

[Captain Dart]

Not really, why would the case need to be heard again?

Coventry City Council is a representative of the state in this case. I suspect the BIS government department will be the ones expected to pay compensation.

LOL, if you think the government will just roll over and allow the principle of rogue councils behaviour causing them to fork out commercial damages to be established without putting up a strong challenge then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. This litigation has got a couple of years left in it if it rolls on.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

LOL, if you think the government will just roll over and allow the principle of rogue councils behaviour causing them to fork out commercial damages to be established without putting up a strong challenge then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. This litigation has got a couple of years left in it if it rolls on.

On the plus side though, the Government may well investigate the behaviour of CCC which in the bigger picture might help us avoid becoming part of Birmongham as the wicked witch wants.

 

[Captain Dart]

On the plus side though, the Government may well investigate the behaviour of CCC which in the bigger picture might help us avoid becoming part of Birmongham as the wicked witch wants.

Isn't it more likely they'll put CCC under 'special measures' and arc-weld the City to Birmingham.

 

[olderskyblue]

But seems to get free reign of bullshit. Probably a perk of a good PR company

I'm sure there's a good reason Nick....

 

[skybluetony176]

Not really, why would the case need to be heard again?

Coventry City Council is a representative of the state in this case. I suspect the BIS government department will be the ones expected to pay compensation.

What if SISU lose again? What's the chances of them going to the european court? High i would think.

 

[Captain Dart]

What if SISU lose again? What's the chances of them going to the european court? High i would think.

I don't think they can go there unless these 3 Judges rule they can. I foresee a judgement in a couple of weeks saying this is a European matter. Then the government will appeal to the next Court, which may be the General Court (European Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Court_(European_Union) or the European Court of Justice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justice

 

[fernandopartridge]

LOL, if you think the government will just roll over and allow the principle of rogue councils behaviour causing them to fork out commercial damages to be established without putting up a strong challenge then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. This litigation has got a couple of years left in it if it rolls on.

They'd ultimately be hearing the same case again. Why would they do that?

 

[shmmeee]

On the plus side though, the Government may well investigate the behaviour of CCC which in the bigger picture might help us avoid becoming part of Birmongham as the wicked witch wants.

Nice plan, except it's the government that pushed us into it in the first place.

 

[Captain Dart]

They'd ultimately be hearing the same case again. Why would they do that?

This is the 3rd time this case has been heard already isn't it? Why not a few more appeals. That's the way the law works, if you have the money & resolve keep on appealing all the way to the highest court.

 

[James Smith]

The Lord himself said any damages would likely come from the government.
(Well not the 'Lord') a Lord

Good God...!

 

[dongonzalos]

LOL, if you think the government will just roll over and allow the principle of rogue councils behaviour causing them to fork out commercial damages to be established without putting up a strong challenge then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. This litigation has got a couple of years left in it if it rolls on.

No question especially if rumours of 50-100 million are true

 

[dongonzalos]

On the plus side though, the Government may well investigate the behaviour of CCC which in the bigger picture might help us avoid becoming part of Birmongham as the wicked witch wants.

How that was never a referendum is outrageous!!!
Coventry ad the main city of warwickshire for me every time.
Labour government not getting bed with conservatives was the issue there.
Very wrong

 

[skybluetony176]

I don't think they can go there unless these 3 Judges rule they can. I foresee a judgement in a couple of weeks saying this is a European matter. Then the government will appeal to the next Court, which may be the General Court (European Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Court_(European_Union) or the European Court of Justice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justice

Cheers for the links. I won't get time to read them until later but maybe you already know the answer to this? If the judges rule that they can't go to the Europe can they appeal that decision and SISU basically start the appeal process all over again?