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thewards5579
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You just have revealed the dna of a football thug imho
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dongonzalos
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Yes was at Maine Road for that one and GMP coming through the rows indiscriminately swinging the batons was outrageous.
Plus the horses afterwards. that doesn't happen these days though.
The worse of it was going out that one exit into a barrage of bottles and bricks!! (From the Man city fans)
It was our idiots that started it though. P****d me off no end that one.
Astute
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They started on the lads for no reason. It reached the stage of pushing them about...maybe trying to get a reaction. When I went over to them I said I was reporting them. So they grabbed me and put one of my arms behind my back telling me that I was under arrest. Then we had a chat which I am unwilling to go into on an open forum.
I suppose you will be saying that they are all law abiding citizens next
You get bad eggs in all walks of life. Glasgow officers are much worse than the Met. The last time I encountered them some of them had their numbers covered up. They ignored openly drug taking and went for us as we had English accents. And we were doing nothing wrong. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time. A mini riot had kicked off where we were drinking. They pulled one of us out and about 7 or 8 of them jumped on him. He had done nothing wrong at all. When I found out where they had taken him I went to the station to make a complaint and to get him out. They let him go whilst I was there but didn't tell me until I had been there about an hour. They said they would follow up my complaint with a phone call later that day. But I never got the call. And when I phoned them up they said they never had a record of my complaint. This was less than 2 years ago.dongonzalos
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They started on the lads for no reason. It reached the stage of pushing them about...maybe trying to get a reaction. When I went over to them I said I was reporting them. So they grabbed me and put one of my arms behind my back telling me that I was under arrest. Then we had a chat which I am unwilling to go into on an open forum.
I suppose you will be saying that they are all law abiding citizens next
Astute I wasn't there so I will have to take your word for it. However I am gob smacked that two police officers at Cov verses Bristol walked up to two Young Cov fans doing nothing wrong at all and started pushing and shoving them for absolutely no reason at all?
Did nobody film it, once it started happening?
Of course there are bad eggs the Police are a massive organisation. On the whole these days there are very few bad eggs. The ones there are get caught out and when they do it appears all over the media and is sensationalised. Giving people the impression that every second copper is dodgy.
I am not saying there are not bad coppers out there. I am saying in today's age with social media. It is highly unlikely a cop will intentionally walk up to some completely innocent person and start on them.
CCTV and everybody else's mobile phones, will mean it would likely cost them their careers. It is a massive risk for them.
The other mini riot scenario you describe doesn't sound straight forward at all.
dongonzalos
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My real point is. We seem to be developing a society where it's always someone else's fault. Idiots do stuff wrong them blame every other man and their dog,
Like the shooting that led to the riots. The bloke was heading to rob some Columbian drug dealers he himself got shot, people are up in arms blaming the Police.
In this thread Millwall fans attack the Police. Someone mentions that the Millwall fans were defending an old man. People start reeling off their stories of police brutality of complete innocents.
I will put my neck on the block here. I haven't read about it yet. However I am going to guess the police didn't pick out an old man from the crowd doing nothing and decided to beat him up.
Leading to a load of millwal saviours defending his honour and all of the elderly from Police brutality.
I am going to guess he was been arse and they needed to arrest /eject him and he kicked off when they went to and Millwall fans attacked mob handed with people joining in who didn't even know what was happening but saw a chance to attack a police officer.
I hope I don't regret posting this when I have a look at what happened later!!!!
Like the shooting that led to the riots. The bloke was heading to rob some Columbian drug dealers he himself got shot, people are up in arms blaming the Police.
In this thread Millwall fans attack the Police. Someone mentions that the Millwall fans were defending an old man. People start reeling off their stories of police brutality of complete innocents.
I will put my neck on the block here. I haven't read about it yet. However I am going to guess the police didn't pick out an old man from the crowd doing nothing and decided to beat him up.
Leading to a load of millwal saviours defending his honour and all of the elderly from Police brutality.
I am going to guess he was been arse and they needed to arrest /eject him and he kicked off when they went to and Millwall fans attacked mob handed with people joining in who didn't even know what was happening but saw a chance to attack a police officer.
I hope I don't regret posting this when I have a look at what happened later!!!!
Astute
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CCTV does not cover everywhere. And they will know where is not covered.
The Glasgow one was at a big place. There were two events on at the same time. A 30th birthday party I think and my eldest lads engagement party. The other one kicked off in the room they had and moved to a corridor. They went down the corridor and into the room we had. Our room had mainly Scottish people in it. But once they heard our English accents they came at us. They knocked my wife to one side and picked on a lad I have known since he was born. All he said was that it was nothing to do with any of us. My wife stopped me from intervening as we had our kids with us. She didn't want me arrested too. And I have heard since that it isn't unusual to not be able to see their numbers around there. Yes they do have a hard job around there. But how much trouble do they cause? And do they prefer an easy target other than those who cause the trouble?
Astute
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Have personally had problems going to Millwall before. I know what they can be like. But I prefer not to prejudge. It wouldn't surprise me if you are right. But it wouldn't surprise me if you are wrong either.
This interesting as was chatting to some older friends at a boxing even in Bell Green last night. As I recall years ago the police did do a bit of the nasty stuff and to be honest it was expected and sometimes deserved but in those days you knew where you stood and if a Copper came after you it was for a reason.When I was younger it was always a matter of us or them and a common respect to some degree.
The modern copper generally has no idea of what the real life is all about, no common sense and is just a robot. A lot of them seem to be Universirty graduates, often under 5'8" in height and very little time or understanding for common issues. They just do not get the respect they used to have or should have.
When we were kids am sure lots of us wanted to be Police, now who in there right mind would join our police force?
The modern copper generally has no idea of what the real life is all about, no common sense and is just a robot. A lot of them seem to be Universirty graduates, often under 5'8" in height and very little time or understanding for common issues. They just do not get the respect they used to have or should have.
When we were kids am sure lots of us wanted to be Police, now who in there right mind would join our police force?
Otis
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Well isn't that the thing, you are much more likely to want to be police officer if you're not in the right mind.
Yes, very true.
Astute
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A lot of wanting to join the police as a kid depends on your upbringing. I was dragged up in the more select areas of Coventry I certainly didn't want to be one and didn't know anyone who did. But I now respect the tough job they do. And depending on the job they do many don't get paid anywhere near enough.
I certainly didn't want to be one and didn't know anyone who did. But I now respect the tough job they do. And depending on the job they do many don't get paid anywhere near enough.Am sure we have plenty of decent Police Officers but very few of us ever get to know them in the modern world. They seem to be a secret society and must live in little villages together somewhere. In the past it always felt good to say you have a Police officer living on your road but you never see that anymore as they never live anywhere near where they work. Being a Police Officer is not the proud proffesion it was in the past, no one lets on that's what they do and that's a real shame.
A lot is down to bureaucracy, not being allowed to use common sense, shortage of Police on the beat ( everyone knew the local copper) and the right sort of person wanting to do the job rather than doing it as noting else available.
A lot is down to bureaucracy, not being allowed to use common sense, shortage of Police on the beat ( everyone knew the local copper) and the right sort of person wanting to do the job rather than doing it as noting else available.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Their starting pay is higher than a junior doctors and it rises quickly, I understand that they now have to work for more than the massive 25 years they did before. My brother in law is a retired copper been retired 3 years and will be 50 this year got a big pay off and bought property with the money owns well over a million pounds of property and not a mortgage in sight plus his pension. Only spent 3 years on the beat and 18 years in a desk job, he once said to me that he hadn't made an arrest in more than 18 years. Yes I am jealous as hell
Wyken Sky Blue
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Agree with this.
Call me naive or whatever, something must cause the police to take action.
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Wyken Sky Blue
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We've got all this to come at the Ricoh in April...
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SkyblueBazza
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I don't believe they do. The point at issue is what constitutes "nothing"
A WBA probably doesn't feel he did anything wrong chucking a coin on the pitch after yesterday's game because he didn't mean to hit anyone with it. Reasonable people would probably say he has done something to warrant a bit of a slap from the Police
...onwards & upwards PUSB
SkyblueBazza
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It is pathetic though. They never were, aren't & never will be "top dogs"
They do have a pretty high proportion of nutters hell bent on having a ruck.. every team has those sort amongst their number though
Remember West Ham went & slapped them down a few years back? In my memory banks I recall Chelsea doing the same...& I am certain that on sheer numbers alone Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City, Everton, Liverpool, Newcastle & a number of others could still muster enough nutters to put then back in their Den (see what I did there )
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Sick Boy
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I've experienced it myself and my back was covered in black and brown bruises.
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James Smith
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A while ago one Saturday, I had to go and collect a package for work. Had travelled quite a long way and I happened to spot a pub and thought I might have a swift drink (it was nearly lunch). However before I went in I couldn't miss that across the road there were two coppers holding riot helmets staring at the pub. I walked over and asked what they were doing they told me Millwall were playing QPR at Loftus Road that day and that pub was stuffed full of away fans. I pointed out there was only two of them..... Copper who was talking to me and smiling the whole time said not to worry about it. Knowing who was in the pub I decided not to have a drink. Walking on I saw a coach load of police officers down a nearby side street who I could see were all wearing riot helmets.
dongonzalos
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It was definitely deserved for you. If there was an Internet forum version of a police baton you would get it daily
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SkyblueBazza
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Interfering with the police as they go about their business is always going to get you in trouble. Not astute Astute!!!
Unless you were with said youngsters throughout...you have no idea of the reasons the police were starting on them...or whether it is justified. They may have been caught on CCTV pushing someone under a train 1/2hr before for all you know. Likewise they may have done something a bit cheeky & the police were over-stepping the mark. They are too easily identified as the baddies by people who don't like authority (until something bad happens to themself of course...then they criticise the authority for not doing enough)
...onwards & upwards PUSB
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http://youtu.be/XEYhdprpeHE
Looks like everyone has forgotten this. As someone previously said, there's two sides to every story
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Looks like everyone has forgotten this. As someone previously said, there's two sides to every story
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ccfc92
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Watched a copper outside the Ricoh attack a bunch of youths (after the Crewe game last season IIRC) with a baton, then wanted further fighting saying "Come on then, make my day" aggressively.
Then when the mobiles came out to film him : "Under section.... I ask you all to leave the area"
Explain this to me Dongo.
Sick Boy
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Something similar happened to me in my youth but he made a joke of it instead.
Don't forget that old man who had a heart attack after being whacked by a copper, nice!
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fernandopartridge
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Indeed, not been widely published that the lad who was wrongly arrested in that video got a five figure compensation pay out in the end.
dongonzalos
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If you saw a policeman run at a bunch of kids with his baton that were doing nothing wrong, trying to fight them. Then you should have filmed it yourself. This bloke sounds like a maniac and should not be on the streets as a normal person never mind a policeman.
I can't explain what you saw and I also can't explain how a mad man like that hasn't made the media yet.
dongonzalos
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Yes 7 years ago poor bloke was pushed over for not getting out the way despite several warnings. He was actually I'll and not trying to be an arse.
The shove was excessive as well.
Sick Boy
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Sadly there are plenty of them around. I can't believe how naive some are about the police.
Otis
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I went to a game once and was walking home to Potters Green with 3 friends, I was 15 and two other lads 15 as well and the other one was 13.
We were just walking home up Woodway Lane. Suddenly a police car comes along and stops by the side of us and one of the coppers tells us to get in the car. We got in, they swore at us like crazy and I mean really, really aggressively. Scared the life out of us.
They just asked us what we were doing and we said we were walking home.
We got no explanation, no idea of what was going on. They drove us up to by the motorway, past the Showcase cinema and there we stopped and were told to get out. There, there was an away coach with some windows smashed in.
The cop turned to the driver and asked 'Is this them?' To which the driver replied 'No, I told you, they were much older.'
The police then said we could go and just drove off leaving us in the middle of nowhere. No apology, no explanation, nothing.
Was scared stuff of the police for years after that. We really thought they were going to beat us up.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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In my limited experience, I think the majority know the difference when a fellow fan has crossed the line and deserves what he gets and then when a fellow fan is being unfairly targeted/treated.