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Otis

Otis

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sky_blue_up_north said:
Funny heard a similar story yesterday, and Mowbray is not a happy chap and ready to move on. Lack of funds, club not following up with the promises. I can't believe the same set of players just go crap over night something is seriously wrong.


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Thing is sbup, once these rumours start they spread like wildfire and quite often all these different stories come from the one single rumour source.
 
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dongonzalos

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Nick said:
Wasn't our form bad before he was sold?
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I am not defending this story
But I assume he means when Mowbray found out he would be sold.
TM started putting out his own sound bites saying words to the effect off 'how do you expect to grow as a club if you keep cutting off your legs and his advice to Joy is don't sell.'
I think the evidence suggests TM didn't want to sell.
However that doesn't mean he wanted to quit.
 
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dongonzalos

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It looks like there was a cash flow shortage. Due to the mis calculation which is why I guess Mr Waggott was moved on.
Selling first dibs on JM would have been a good way round that.
Selling him at the last second in the window didn't really make sense. Until you realise about the miscalculation. Then you realise we are not self sufficient and that Maddision money is even more important than if we were. If they didn't accept that offer than for whatever reason couldn't sell him in the summer. The extra money put in to cover the short fall is not recouped.
I assume at high level investor meetings the phrase self sufficient is very very important at the moment. To have that jeopardised probably isn't an option hence the speedy sale. ( just a guess)
 
SkyBlue_Bear83

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If the players hasn't been paid I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it. Don't the Pfa normally make announcements when that sort of thing happens?

I know when Bolton an Northampton weren't getting paid ( or in danger of not being paid) it was plastered all over the media.
 
stupot07

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CCFC said:
If the players hasn't been paid I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it. Don't the Pfa normally make announcements when that sort of thing happens?

I know when Bolton an Northampton weren't getting paid ( or in danger of not being paid) it was plastered all over the media.
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Yes, the PFA would have told the media, it certainly wouldn't be a secret. You can add Portsmouth and Plymouth to that list too.

This story is bullshit.




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Otis

Otis

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The bloke might have taken it in good faith, but it really does appear to be a complete nonsense.

That's not to say that perhaps all is not well with TM.
 
Grendel

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dongonzalos said:
It looks like there was a cash flow shortage. Due to the mis calculation which is why I guess Mr Waggott was moved on.
Selling first dibs on JM would have been a good way round that.
Selling him at the last second in the window didn't really make sense. Until you realise about the miscalculation. Then you realise we are not self sufficient and that Maddision money is even more important than if we were. If they didn't accept that offer than for whatever reason couldn't sell him in the summer. The extra money put in to cover the short fall is not recouped.
I assume at high level investor meetings the phrase self sufficient is very very important at the moment. To have that jeopardised probably isn't an option hence the speedy sale. ( just a guess)
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Yawn. We signed four players in January before the Maddison deal. A deal which now looks like an amazing bit of business if, as the nationals indicate, was £3.5 million up front.

Rumours are rumours. A non fan but an employee in the arena group said he was targets by Man U but wanted to go to Norwich as they've promised game time. Either way he said he was up for the move. His value is dropping every week.

We did the right thing.
 
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Otis said:
Well considering we signed Lorentzson in early December and Andy Rose on the 23rd December, I would say it was highly unlikely we didn't pay the players at Christmas.
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It wouldn't have been the first time we signed players on a wing and a prayer.

We didn't actually have the money to buy Stern John (and I mean physically, did not have it) but we went ahead anyway. Likewise, Malky Mackay. The answer from our esteemed chairman at the time (between these four walls) was if the Mackay deal had gone through 'the bank would have slapped my wrist'.
 
Samo

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Deleted member 5849 said:
It wouldn't have been the first time we signed players on a wing and a prayer.

We didn't actually have the money to buy Stern John (and I mean physically, did not have it) but we went ahead anyway. Likewise, Malky Mackay. The answer from our esteemed chairman at the time (between these four walls) was if the Mackay deal had gone through 'the bank would have slapped my wrist'.
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Were our squad being paid at the time though?
 
Otis

Otis

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Maybe we shouldn't pay them. Northampton Town started being brilliant when the club stopped paying their players.
 
Grendel

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Not entirely sure they were, tbh!
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He sold Davenport to pay for Stern John didn't he? Having assured Reid he would never sell him Reid found out he'd been sold when he read it in a paper.
 
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The point being, it's not unusual for cash strapped football clubs to dispense with business logic, and to do things on a promise.

It wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to suggest that Maddison was our promise, and we battled through based on that promise.

We wouldn't be the first club to do that, nor the last. It doesn't mean that this *has* happened, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as some have here. Of course a random poster on a message board is hardly reason to believe it but... would it, really, be *that* surprising?

A bit like not dismissing the thought that hedge funds are evil incarnate looking for a profit above all else, Mowbray is not managerial perfection yadda yadda yadda.
 
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Grendel said:
He sold Davenport to pay for Stern John didn't he? Having assured Reid he would never sell him Reid found out he'd been sold when he read it in a paper.
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It turned out the Davenport cash was taken straight by the bank.

It's why when the Mackay deal fell through we couldn't go for another player, and had to go for youthful loans instead. Once the bank found out we'd spent some on John, and were trying to spend some more, they soon put a stop to that!
 
Samo

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Don't the FL impose an embargo if wages are not being paid?
 
Grendel

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Otis said:
Yep. I blame Sisu for that one.
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Reid gave an interesting interview on five live about it.

Mginnity had lined him up some time before he was appointed. Black was always going to be sacked. Adrian Heath day behind me for several games before the end of the previous season.

Mcginnity promised squad investment and also a commitment to keep davenport. Instead he sold him behind his back. Well let's face it he sold everything didn't he so his real interests were protected.

It will be interesting to see if richardsons gagging order is now lifted.
 
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Super Graham Withey

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I think what is comes down to for TM is where the proceeds of the Maddison sale will be spent. Whether they will be re-invested in the playing squad or not. TM likes to build football teams, there's no evidence our owners do.
 
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Grendel said:
It will be interesting to see if richardsons gagging order is now lifted.
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That Telegraph interview has the odd spiteful jibe directed at a not-so-heavily disguised source...
 
RegTheDonk

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Sky Blue 1987 said:
2 post timmy but 10 thousand post observer who finally decided to inform you, your own decision and opinion is welcome but i have an inside view so it really doesn't bother me what you think, it will all come out eventually
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Fuck Me Backwards You've been here long enough to view 10 thousand posts, but only now do you open the treasure chest - and it's over some nonsense that they aren't playing well because they weren't paid in December? So presumably, because we've dropped to 7th, they still haven't been paid?

Lost count of how many bell ends have claimed to have "inside info" and then decide to share some worthless bollocks which they cannot provide any ounce of substance to back it up. All very well on an anonymous football forum, why don't you phone CWR from your land line, give them the gen so they can chase it up. And actually supply your name, just so the club know who to sue in the unlikely event that you're talking shyte.
 
SkyBlue_Bear83

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Deleted member 5849 said:
It turned out the Davenport cash was taken straight by the bank.

It's why when the Mackay deal fell through we couldn't go for another player, and had to go for youthful loans instead. Once the bank found out we'd spent some on John, and were trying to spend some more, they soon put a stop to that!
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Reid said recently he agreed to sell Davenport on the basis it was reinvested.

We brought in John, Reid had also lined up Steven Hunt (before his move to Reading), Kevin Doyle and Mackay but they all fell through as the money wasn't available any more.
 
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dongonzalos

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Grendel said:
Yawn. We signed four players in January before the Maddison deal. A deal which now looks like an amazing bit of business if, as the nationals indicate, was £3.5 million up front.

Rumours are rumours. A non fan but an employee in the arena group said he was targets by Man U but wanted to go to Norwich as they've promised game time. Either way he said he was up for the move. His value is dropping every week.

We did the right thing.
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That's 500k the owners have had to put in above the additional money paying off SP and staff that for some reason looks like it wasn't included in the budget.
The nationals have mostly suggested 2-2.5 million up front.
60p in the £1 to the budget you can still clear the gap in the miscalculation and sign free transfers and loaners and become self sufficient again.
We did the right thing if we needed the cash.
If we were self sufficient and could take the risk on him not getting injured. A bidding war would be the better option.
 
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