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[dongonzalos]

This millerchip chap why does he have an issue with SISU.
I was under the impression he is just all about CRFC.
He is saying he asked all parties to take part in peace talks but only SISU said no.
Genuine question what's his angke in this or is he sincere?

 

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[Nick]

This millerchip chap why does he have an issue with SISU.
I was under the impression he is just all about CRFC.
He is saying he asked all parties to take part in peace talks but only SISU said no.
Genuine question what's his angke in this or is he sincere?

Because he is in with Wasps, the council and CSF.... He is behind the Engage project, the one with Wasps and CSF. He is making statements and talking on behalf of CSF also.

They at least have to make a bona fide attempt to resolve their differences and at least talk with the council, Wasps, Coventry Sports Foundation and everybody else. At the moment, we’re not making much progress on that

What's that got to do with anything?

The Wasps’ arrival coincides with the launch of the Coventry Sports Foundation, founded on the philanthropy of the American lawyer and former Coventry player Chris Millerchip, which has a five-year program to promote rugby in the city’s schools and clubs.

If it was all about CRFC, why wouldn't he just hand over the lease to them anyway?

 

[dongonzalos]

Because he is in with Wasps, the council and CSF.... He is behind the Engage project, the one with Wasps and CSF..

If it was all about CRFC, why wouldn't he just hand over the lease to them anyway?

So he is in with Wasps
I thought his only concern was CRFC
Thought he was obsessed with protecting them.
What is engage? Sorry catching up

 

[Nick]

So he is in with Wasps
I thought his only concern was CRFC
Thought he was obsessed with protecting them.
What is engage? Sorry catching up

Yes, they are all linked - http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...bodies-a-city-of-rugby-squeeze-on-ccfc.65711/

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes, they are all linked - http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...bodies-a-city-of-rugby-squeeze-on-ccfc.65711/

Thanks

 

[italiahorse]

You keep ignoring my posts, I suspect because you have no answer to what I have asked for like facts not assumptions, but I will persevere.

You keep saying/suggesting Wasps will take over us/buy us/pick up the pieces etc. So for the umpteenth time can you give facts as to why you think they would ever want to buy or own us?

Whilst I respect your opinion, I respect it more when its backed by evidence not your personal opinion.

It's personal opinion based on talking to people at the Ricoh as I said in my original post on the subject.

 

[Nick]

It's personal opinion based on talking to people at the Ricoh as I said in my original post on the subject.

Talking to which people at the Ricoh?

 

[oldfiver]

Because they'd thought that once the current appeal had came to a conclusion SISU would decide to stop following this route?

The Butts clause thing was a twat decision which is undefendable.

Millerchip has said everyone needs to sit around the table and SISU have refused to - isn't it reasonable to expect cards being laid on the table, expecially considering SISU have mooted another site for a stadium/training facility is still in the mix?

But has he sat down with CCFC or discussed anything with TF?

Clearly he has with JS/CRFC

Why is Millerchip so involved in looking after CCC's interests?

Surely he should be seeing if there is a benefit to a CRFC / CCFC arrangement rather than getting involved in other matters?

 

[oldfiver]

It's personal opinion based on talking to people at the Ricoh as I said in my original post on the subject.

Try talking so some different people then!

 

[italiahorse]

Try talking so some different people then!

I do.
I talk to people in the know and then I also come on here

 

[Nick]

I do.
I talk to people in the know and then I also come on here

I think that was obvious the moment you posted the "just let it happen, close your eyes and take it" thread.

Is it literally intheknow you speak to? Wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[armybike]

Clearly he has with JS/CRFC


Surely he should be seeing if there is a benefit to a CRFC / CCFC arrangement rather than getting involved in other matters?

Surely he should be seeing if there is a benefit to a CRFC / CCFC arrangement rather than getting involved in other matters?

So you think businesses should only focus on one aspect of a situation? They don't look at the bigger picture? Is that how you'd run a business?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's only the few on here that call it franchising. In reality it's not.

Bollocks

 

[torchomatic]

It's personal opinion based on talking to people at the Ricoh

Yeah, happens to me all the time, for example last game of the season:

Me: Coffee, please. Oh, and a Mars bar too, please.

Pleasant teenager behind counter: £3 please. Thanks. What do you think of the Wasps thing, eh?

Me: Well, I'm not too happy about...

Pleasant teenager behind counter: Many fans devote considerable amounts of time and emotional energy when following their favourite sports' team. However, the emotional well being of the Coventry City fan or a supporter - you choose the moniker - has received surprisingly little attention in local media. The move and franchising of Wasps to this city is an ethical question not just for Wasps themselves, or even professional rugby as a game, but all sports at all levels. Personally, I distinguish two main categories of fan; the "partisan" and the "purist". The "partisan" is a loyal supporter of a team to which he or she has a personal connection or which he or she may have grown to support "the team" by mere familiarity. The "purist" in contrast , supports the team that he or she considers to exemplify the highest virtues of the game, but his or her allegiance can be flexible. At the end of the day, you have to ask is any sporting team worthy of allegiance, as they may "do a Wasps" and flit off at their whim. However, I still defend the view that, provided certain conditions are met, loyal support of a team is not only permissible but also positively virtuous.

Me: Er...ok...Mars bar?

Pleasant teenager behind counter: Sorry, here you go. Enjoy the game.

Me: Thanks, I will.

 

[Astute]

I do.
I talk to people in the know and then I also come on here

And say the opposite of what you hear.

 

[oldskyblue58]

I wonder if we are reading this bit about stopping legals wrongly and making the assumption that it refers to JR1 & JR2. The Armstrong interview goes on about background legal noise and then says that JR1 & JR2 are nothing to do with them. Clearly they entered in to talks whilst the JR stuff was on going. So is it related to the JR's at all?

So given that SISU's favourite weapon seems to be a solicitors letter is it perhaps that talks started, then Wasps received letters from SISU's solicitors regarding the stadium, the Alan Higgs Centre or other matters, and Wasps said at that point no further talks.

As much as CA can negotiate we all know who actually has the authority to sign off on any deal - it isn't him or Fisher

Just a thought

 

[Nick]

I wonder if we are reading this bit about stopping legals wrongly and making the assumption that it refers to JR1 & JR2. The Armstrong interview goes on about background legal noise and then says that JR1 & JR2 are nothing to do with them. Clearly they entered in to talks whilst the JR stuff was on going. So is it related to the JR's at all?

So given that SISU's favourite weapon seems to be a solicitors letter is it perhaps that talks started, then Wasps received letters from SISU's solicitors regarding the stadium, the Alan Higgs Centre or other matters, and Wasps said at that point no further talks.

As much as CA can negotiate we all know who actually has the authority to sign off on any deal - it isn't him or Fisher

Just a thought

Surely they would have let it out of the bag if other legal stuff had started? It would have been front page news wouldn't it?

 

[oldskyblue58]

Surely they would have let it out of the bag if other legal stuff had started? It would have been front page news wouldn't it?

If you look at it Nick very little actually comes out about such things from Wasps - I was just thinking aloud really, might be completely wrong but there are a lot of assumptions being made about a lot of things ................

 

[Nick]

If you look at it Nick very little actually comes out about such things from Wasps - I was just thinking aloud really, might be completely wrong but there are a lot of assumptions being made about a lot of things ................

Somebody would have signed up on here to tell us to make people angry with SISU.

What does ................ mean? That kind of says you know something different? It is Grendelesque.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

we all know who actually has the authority to sign off on any deal - it isn't him or Fisher

Sometimesthat does get lost however.

 

[Otis]

I wonder if we are reading this bit about stopping legals wrongly and making the assumption that it refers to JR1 & JR2. The Armstrong interview goes on about background legal noise and then says that JR1 & JR2 are nothing to do with them. Clearly they entered in to talks whilst the JR stuff was on going. So is it related to the JR's at all?

So given that SISU's favourite weapon seems to be a solicitors letter is it perhaps that talks started, then Wasps received letters from SISU's solicitors regarding the stadium, the Alan Higgs Centre or other matters, and Wasps said at that point no further talks.

As much as CA can negotiate we all know who actually has the authority to sign off on any deal - it isn't him or Fisher

Just a thought

Yep, makes sense. It is a puzzle and a surprise when Wasps said no more negotiations while legal noise is going on.

If it doesn't affect them in any way then it shouldn't matter.

 

[Otis]

there are a lot of assumptions being made about a lot of things ................

Post of the millennia!

 

[italiahorse]

So they might be battering Wasps in court as well already ?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I wonder if we are reading this bit about stopping legals wrongly and making the assumption that it refers to JR1 & JR2. The Armstrong interview goes on about background legal noise and then says that JR1 & JR2 are nothing to do with them. Clearly they entered in to talks whilst the JR stuff was on going. So is it related to the JR's at all?

So given that SISU's favourite weapon seems to be a solicitors letter is it perhaps that talks started, then Wasps received letters from SISU's solicitors regarding the stadium, the Alan Higgs Centre or other matters, and Wasps said at that point no further talks.

As much as CA can negotiate we all know who actually has the authority to sign off on any deal - it isn't him or Fisher

Just a thought

I think it's pretty clear they are referring to the JR, as for it being nothing to do with them and they knew about the JR when entering negotiations that leaves two scenarios.
A. Wasps entered negotiations with no intention to reach a deal whilst the legals are taking place
B. Wasps have pulled out of talks with the club on the request of the CCC, in exchange the council will help them with their take over off the Higgs centre.

 

[Nick]

So they might be battering Wasps in court as well already ?

We have seen how much Wasps don't want to be disliked, we have seen PR is very important to us. Whilst I am not saying it is not happening, you would have thought they would have been very keen to let people know SISU had been starting more legal action wouldn't they in one way or another?

OR, is it a rumour being put out there so if they do take action about things they can look back and blame it on that?

Millerchip is also saying about legals being dropped, is he referring to the JR stuff or is that action against him from SISU too? He will be ok, he is a lawyer. He would get on with the Higgs family, they are all lawyers. Just in case people didn't know.

 

[shmmeee]

In fairness, do you know what he has produced? Or is it just because it hasn't been made public?

I think "I'll believe it when I see it" is a fair approach to anything to do with our club.

There is a bus full of experts and professionals involved with our stadium drama who we were repeatedly told were far too sensible and respected to be involved in Sisu shenanigans. Garlick, the architects, etc.

Frankly most people initial suspicions about Sisu's position have yet to be proven false. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you don't need the press release saying it's a duck before you make your mind up. It's a far bigger leap of faith to assume everything is fine this time

 

[Nick]

I think "I'll believe it when I see it" is a fair approach to anything to do with our club.

There is a bus full of experts and professionals involved with our stadium drama who we were repeatedly told were far too sensible and respected to be involved in Sisu shenanigans. Garlick, the architects, etc.

Frankly most people initial suspicions about Sisu's position have yet to be proven false. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you don't need the press release saying it's a duck before you make your mind up. It's a far bigger leap of faith to assume everything is fine this time

That wasn't about SISU or our club though, that was CRFC.

 

[dongonzalos]

I wonder if we are reading this bit about stopping legals wrongly and making the assumption that it refers to JR1 & JR2. The Armstrong interview goes on about background legal noise and then says that JR1 & JR2 are nothing to do with them. Clearly they entered in to talks whilst the JR stuff was on going. So is it related to the JR's at all?

So given that SISU's favourite weapon seems to be a solicitors letter is it perhaps that talks started, then Wasps received letters from SISU's solicitors regarding the stadium, the Alan Higgs Centre or other matters, and Wasps said at that point no further talks.

As much as CA can negotiate we all know who actually has the authority to sign off on any deal - it isn't him or Fisher

Just a thought

I wasn't aware he said it wasn't to do with JR1 or JR2.
It's also strange that that Mr Millerchip said SISU are the only ones who won't come to the table for peace talks?
That would imply everyone has been invited to something and everyone said yes apart from SISU.
What's this as well where Wasps contact CA and say lets talk about this. CA says only if you put your proposal in writing?
Why would CA say that if you are looking for help regarding your academy from Wasps.
Arrange a meeting get someone to minute the meeting and get both sides to confirm the minutes if you want it in writing?

 

[Grendel]

Yep, makes sense. It is a puzzle and a surprise when Wasps said no more negotiations while legal noise is going on.

If it doesn't affect them in any way then it shouldn't matter.

Or they could have offered a deal that the club could not accept.

Then say something vague about background legal noise to make everyone's favourite interloper the good guys.

 

[Grendel]

I wasn't aware he said it wasn't to do with JR1 or JR2.
It's also strange that that Mr Millerchip said SISU are the only ones who won't come to the table for peace talks?
That would imply everyone has been invited to something and everyone said yes apart from SISU.
What's this as well where Wasps contact CA and say lets talk about this. CA says only if you put your proposal in writing?
Why would CA say that if you are looking for help regarding your academy from Wasps.
Arrange a meeting get someone to minute the meeting and get both sides to confirm the minutes if you want it in writing?

How would millerchump know anything about these talks? Whose told him?

 

[Nick]

How would millerchump know anything about these talks? Whose told him?

Exactly, he seems to be speaking on behalf of people like CSF the way things are worded in his quotes.

 

[torchomatic]

Or they could have offered a deal that the club could not accept.

Then say something vague about background legal noise to make everyone's favourite interloper the good guys.

And watch as everyone is reeled in.

 

[dongonzalos]

How would millerchump know anything about these talks? Whose told him?

That's what I am asking

 

[Nick]

That's what I am asking

I don't think it would have been SISU or Anderson would it?

 

[Grendel]

And watch as everyone is reeled in.

I know. Funny how Otis remarks is used to be a good poster.

What happens now? I post and it gets negative attention on their site and a host of new members.

Otis, dongle, Tony and Italia post and it's high fives and party time at Nickys place