The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (6 Viewers)

[dancers lance]

I've not said it is.

But you used it in your argument?

 

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[dancers lance]



It was used as a reference to stature not physical mass, but I am still interested in who these people are, that, as you stated yourself, have 'been some of the loudest' in their racist views? Please give names?

And the funny thing is, racism is very much a hierarchical system within religion because the higher you get within the organisation, the more you can get away with it.

 

[armybike]



It was used as a reference to stature not physical mass, but I am still interested in who these people are, that, as you stated yourself, have 'been some of the loudest' in their racist views? Please give names?

Please give names?

I think you're mistaking my comment for people within the actual Leave camp rather than those who are using the campaign to spout their racist drivel via social media etc.

Considering the small percentage, they're presence online is disproportionately high.

 

[armybike]

But you used it in your argument?

Nope.

 

[dancers lance]

Please give names?

I think you're mistaking my comment for people within the actual Leave camp rather than those who are using the campaign to spout their racist drivel via social media etc.

Considering the small percentage, they're presence online is disproportionately high.

So, you have just shown your arse, why didn't you just say that it was just some dicks who post shit on facebook that have got you butt hurt, Instead of making out they are people who mean something? Someone told me once on facebook my shirt looked shit, I didn't take this as trigger point for me needing to get even with a small minority of snappy shirt haters.

 

[dancers lance]

Nope.

Equally, I'm not blind to the fact that people of all colours, religions or place of birth can be racist.
Yep.

 

[armybike]

So, you have just shown your arse, why didn't you just say that it was just some dicks who post shit on facebook that have got you butt hurt, Instead of making out they are people who mean something? Someone told me once on facebook my shirt looked shit, I didn't take this as trigger point for me needing to get even with a small minority of snappy shirt haters.

Your misinterpretation of what I've said doesn't mean I've tried to make out anything.

I've said, for me, one of the best parts of a Remain win, is the big F You it would be to all the racists who have used this campaign to spew their vile opinions.

I've not referred to or even implied where this small percentage of people sit within the Leave group.

I've also not said I need to 'get even' with them - I've said it will be a big F you to them.

 

[armybike]

Equally, I'm not blind to the fact that people of all colours, religions or place of birth can be racist.
Yep.

Nope.

Saying that people of all colours, religions or place of birth can be racist is not the same as or even similar to saying judging people by colour, birth place or religion are acts of racism.

 

[covcity4life]

A vote leave is a vote for democracy. To have unelected Brussels politicians that you have voted for and can't remove that affect daily life in the UK is bizarre that people still want this and it's certainly not democratic.

Calling farage a racist is interesting as 4 million people including myself voted for ukip just a year ago so 4 million racists in this country. Interesting

do you not feel ashamed that farage clearly didnt give 2 fucks that jo cox was murdered in cold blood?

 

[armybike]

Calling farage a racist is interesting as 4 million people including myself voted for ukip just a year ago so 4 million racists in this country. Interesting

Saying someone is a racist doesn't equal that everyone who votes from them is racist.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

So I've finally decided......I'm voting "leave"

I've spent so long sitting on the fence undecided that I even forgot to vote in my own poll....:banghead:

Unfortunately, I think project fear has probably been loud enough to ensure a slim victory for remain......but hopefully I'm wrong & the established status quo get a kick firmly & squarely in their bollocks.....

Time for a new start .....vote out.

 

[covcity4life]

regardless of what happens the govt know that immigration is the main point public are not happy about. hopefully measures will be brought in to sort it without hurting or economy

 

[SIR ERNIE]

do you not feel ashamed that farage clearly didnt give 2 fucks that jo cox was murdered in cold blood?

What a stupid question.

 

[skybluegod]

After last night I have decided, remain. I am good mates with one of the ladies that was on TV last night son, and while i do believe the Leave campaign, does raise some very valid concerns, I just don't think the possible benefits out way the possible and likely hindrances leaving will cause. As was well pointed out last night, if we leave we will have no say at the table, and yes we haven't had much luck in that regard, but it is too easy to give up.
I don't have a great or in depth understanding of this topic, but I have decided to put my faith in the people who lead this country, most big business owners , all of our allies, our current military generals, our health care professionals.

 

[lewys33]

The £4,300 figure was all about growth, not actually losing money, it just means you probably wont gain anymore over the next couple of years. Issue being if cost of living rises (which in my opinion it will leaving the EU).

Australia is a fairly good example of how wages can be higher but cost of living can be even higher that.

 

[Monners]

Farage is a racist. It doesn't mean that all who vote for UKIP are too though - they are merely misguided and impressionable.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Its a shame neither side of the debate ever really got into the detail of the future shape of the EU in 5, 10, 15 years time....

you know.....when its expanded even further to include nations such as Turkey, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosova, Macedonia, Albania etc .etc....

This will add a huge financial burden on the already stretched key nations, add to the ever growing migration issue, continue to supress the wages of the working man by importing cheap/slave labour & certainly diminish the security of the zone even further.....

Still....the banks wil be able to lend them a load of dosh they cannot dream of paying back & so become beholden to the banksters machine...

....best not mention any of that eh...

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Farage is a racist. It doesn't mean that all who vote for UKIP are too though - they are merely misguided and impressionable.

Equally, all those that are voting out are clearly not misguided or impressionable.....and most are certainly not UKIPers......

 

[Liquid Gold]

I honk it was Billy Bragg who recently said "not all leavers are racists but all racists will vote leave" I think that it's generally a good idea to be on the other side of the argument to the racists

 

[Monners]

Equally, all those that are voting out are clearly not misguided or impressionable.....and most are certainly not UKIPers......

Of course. There are plenty across the political spectrum who will outers (and plenty who are inners).

What the whole campaign has shown, with hindsight, is that the politicians are incapable of understanding the complex issues themselves around EU membership, so maybe there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place! It was only because Cameron promised one as a manifesto pledge to keep hold of his UKIP leaning traditional Tory voters anyway.

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[Monners]

I honk it was Billy Bragg who recently said "not all leavers are racists but all racists will vote leave" I think that it's generally a good idea to be on the other side of the argument to the racists

 

[stupot07]

Well worth a watch



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[armybike]

Well worth a watch

An expert! This won't go down with the Out team then

Cheers for the post by the way.

 

[PTA]

Farage is a racist. It doesn't mean that all who vote for UKIP are too though - they are merely misguided and impressionable.

If we remain, wait till 2020 and the misguided and impressionable will be a huge number.

 

[Grendel]

I honk it was Billy Bragg who recently said "not all leavers are racists but all racists will vote leave" I think that it's generally a good idea to be on the other side of the argument to the racists

Not really. If you removed from voters any fear associated with leaving it would be a landslide to leave - it's not a very strong mandate to remain in something you really don't feel part of but are nervous of the consequences of moving.

Most voters who commit to leave will essentially be voters who would normally be socialist. Are socialists racists?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not really. If you removed from voters any fear associated with leaving it would be a landslide to leave - it's not a very strong mandate to remain in something you really don't feel part of but are nervous of the consequences of moving.

Most voters who commit to leave will essentially be voters who would normally be socialist. Are socialists racists?

You've obviously misunderstood the point. It doesn't say most leavers are racist it says most racists would vote leave. I think that's pretty indisputable and proven by the negative campaigning by organisations like leave.eu

 

[Grendel]

You've obviously misunderstood the point. It doesn't say most leavers are racist it says most racists would vote leave. I think that's pretty indisputable and proven by the negative campaigning by organisations like leave.eu

It's not missing any point. You are saying vote for the side that is not racist.

Yet the majority of voters for leave will be people who are traditional labour voters.

So by your own argument you are saying that you also want to vote against people who have socialist values.

As for racist is a pretty lame statement, I remember seeing Bragg on question time once. When faced with real people who had real issues his sound bite tokenism was wholly exposed.

It's a lame argument and irrelevant. It's trying to besmirch those with genuine beliefs to be stigmatised. It's the kind of oafish playground nonsense id expect from Bragg.

 

[lewys33]

It's not missing any point. You are saying vote for the side that is not racist.

Yet the majority of voters for leave will be people who are traditional labour voters.

So by your own argument you are saying that you also want to vote against people who have socialist values.

As for racist is a pretty lame statement, I remember seeing Bragg on question time once. When faced with real people who had real issues his sound bite tokenism was wholly exposed.

It's a lame argument and irrelevant. It's trying to besmirch those with genuine beliefs to be stigmatised. It's the kind of oafish playground nonsense id expect from Bragg.

His point is valid whether you like it or not. So is yours.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's not missing any point. You are saying vote for the side that is not racist.

Yet the majority of voters for leave will be people who are traditional labour voters.

So by your own argument you are saying that you also want to vote against people who have socialist values.

As for racist is a pretty lame statement, I remember seeing Bragg on question time once. When faced with real people who had real issues his sound bite tokenism was wholly exposed.

It's a lame argument and irrelevant. It's trying to besmirch those with genuine beliefs to be stigmatised. It's the kind of oafish playground nonsense id expect from Bragg.

I'm not saying either side is inherently racist and I'm not a follower of Bragg. I have friends who I respect that are voting out. The point is that the vast majority of racists will vote out, that is indisputable. The point about socialists is one you've added.

Racists will vote out is what I'm saying and I think you would find that hard to disagree hence the deflection to socialists.

 

[lewys33]

I saw someone on Facebook earlier say "vote out .... Let's make Britain grate again!"

I felt like smashing my own face in.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Hahaha

 

[armybike]

I saw someone on Facebook earlier say "vote out .... Let's make Britain grate again!"

I felt like smashing my own face in.

 

[Grendel]

I'm not saying either side is inherently racist and I'm not a follower of Bragg. I have friends who I respect that are voting out. The point is that the vast majority of racists will vote out, that is indisputable. The point about socialists is one you've added.

Racists will vote out is what I'm saying and I think you would find that hard to disagree hence the deflection to socialists.

It is not a deflection at all. Extremists will side one way or another.

It's ultimately irrelevant to a debate and certainly to suggest you go on another side to that.

If we look at the only party to actually have a campaign to leave the EU as a manifesto promise it was from a party fronted by Lord Wedgewood Benn (well the puppet leader was the equally left wing Michael Foot) who would have attracted the same supporters then as independence from Europe and one nation was the mantra.

They lost to a right wing thatcher (who was a huge supporter of the euro project and would firmly be in the remain camp) government.

So in that election you'd have picked thatcher as the nationals would have voted for exclusion?

 

[mrtrench]

The point is that the vast majority of racists will vote out, that is indisputable.
Racists will vote out is what I'm saying and I think you would find that hard to disagree hence the deflection to socialists.

This is clearly wrong, because I dispute it. Intelligent (albeit IMO misguided) racists will realise that if the UK no longer has to take just anyone from the EU who wants to move here, there is more scope for people with different coloured skin to move. That's because the controlled immigration limits can be relaxed.

 

[mrtrench]

... and Billy Bragg? I like his music; hate his politics.