The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (235 Viewers)

[martcov]

At least they might not leave them in a pub on their own and drive off without them.

Is this a Boris analagy?

 

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[Astute]

Who said that I believe the economist or even been listening to them. It's called a memory and I remember in the last recession the indicator that it was about to hit was the banks and house building companies taking a hit on their shares. It's happened again and like last time when the FTSE as a whole showed signs of recovery the banks and house builders continued to struggle. You'd be an idiot to ignore that.

The pound hasn't been this weak for many many years, hitting 31 year lows twice in a week. Again, you'd be an idiot to ignore that. The dollar is the biggest trading currency in the world and that is why interest rates have been cut. Prices are about to go up for the consumer on pretty much everything and the cut in the interest rates is an attempt to encourage people to keep spending. We're a consumer based economy reliant on importing. The BOE has to do anything it can to encourage spending in an attempt to keep the economy moving and cutting interest rates is the easiest way to do that.

I didn't say that the pound had been as weak against the dollar in recent years. That is either you twisting what I said or you not understanding. Less than 10 years ago it was over 2 dollars to the pound. Since then it has been on the slide. But IIRC the pound lost 1/3 of its value against the dollar in about 2 years. That was about 7 or 8 years ago. I have invested in USA shares for about 20 years. I know how much it changes.

 

[martcov]

Hilarious.

People whinging they've been racially abused in the UK in the last week (don't believe a word of it personally) are running off to Germany and Italy.

Not much right wing racism there then is there.

You don't believe it, so it doesn't exist. Great logic. More proof that referenda should only be used for local issues.

 

[martcov]

You are only guessing which way everything will go but state it as fact. The stock market was supposedly in meltdown until it recovered after a few days.

And for the insults. There has been many more insults from the remain side than the leave side.

Racist insults from remain? Not as likely as from the people who voted for immigration control/ reduction.

 

[martcov]

Is that true?

According to some poll - 7% in the leave and 3% in remain.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hilarious.

People whinging they've been racially abused in the UK in the last week (don't believe a word of it personally) are running off to Germany and Italy.

Not much right wing racism there then is there.

My partner was abused before and after the referendum result.

It's hardly a surprise that you condone racism and wish to dismiss it as some sort of conspiracy though, is it?

Go back and put your tinfoil hat on, quick!!

 

[martcov]

So they are being racist against people like themselves?

Yes. It does happen. Just because you are an immigrant, say from Poland, doesn't mean you can't be racist against, say, afro caribeans - or vice versa.

 

[martcov]

Remaining in Germany?

Yes, exactly. My daughter is going to school in England next term though. Ashdown won't like that. The college is partly funded by the EU. I think all kids should do at least a year in another EU country. We wouldn't be in this position if people lived in each other's countries for a short time.

 

[Astute]

Racist insults from remain? Not as likely as from the people who voted for immigration control/ reduction.

I said insults as you had stated. Most insults seem to have come from those who voted remain.

 

[Sick Boy]

I said insults as you had stated. Most insults seem to have come from those who voted remain.

I'm surprised you haven't challenged sir Ernie who refuses to believe that racism towards non English people exists.

 

[Astute]

Yes. It does happen. Just because you are an immigrant, say from Poland, doesn't mean you can't be racist against, say, afro caribeans - or vice versa.

I know it happens. And it doesn't mean that if you voted remain you are not racist. Just like it doesn't mean you are if you voted leave. But some would like you to believe otherwise.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yes, exactly. My daughter is going to school in England next term though. Ashdown won't like that.

I think the 'local' characters in the league of gentlemen were based upon him.

 

[martcov]

If more people voted in the referendum then probablility says that of those extra voters 48% would vote remain and 52% to leave. People had initial thoughts that they'd make a mistake because of all of the hysteria in the media and on social media sites. Now they've realised that the world is still turning every day I'm sure they would vote the same way given the chance.

And at the next bit of bad news it would change again. And so on and so on. Hovering at just above or below the 50% mark. The absolutely worse case situation for a referendum result. A resounding 70% for remain or leave would have put the matter to bed. Should never have happened.

 

[Astute]

I'm surprised you haven't challenged sir Ernie who refuses to believe that racism towards non English people exists.

I'm surprised you haven't challenged anyone who voted remain on anything.

 

[Astute]

And at the next bit of bad news it would change again. And so on and so on. Hovering at just above or below the 50% mark. The absolutely worse case situation for a referendum result. A resounding 70% for remain or leave would have put the matter to bed. Should never have happened.

Cameron got voted in saying we would have a referendum. So why shouldn't it have happened?

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm surprised you haven't challenged anyone who voted remain on anything.

Pathetic.

Hardly a surprise there then, is it? Don't worry we will soon be out of 'your' country.

 

[martcov]

Because you repeatedly infer that a large percentage are racist.

I'm sure plenty of London stockbrokers and bankers are deeply racist and also I'm sure they voted remain as it is there vested interest in doing so.

I don't infer that, but there are a large number of People who voted for immigration controls - many of those don't like foreigners being in 'their' Country. Are you denying that there are racists in leave and claiming that millions of racist stockbrokers voted remain?

Anyway, excepting my views ( or rather your version of my views ), why do you think so many leavers are constantly denying that they are racist and that there has been a rise in hate crimes? ( e.g. There is no rise in hate crimes as 'I don't believe a word of it' ).

 

[Astute]

Pathetic.

Hardly a surprise there then, is it? Don't worry we will soon be out of 'your' country.

Why is it pathetic? You don't question anyone who voted the same as you. But I am pathetic because I never questioned a certain person on a certain post? Next you will be calling me racist against Italian people when I love Italy and Italian people. Next you will be telling me that there are no racists in Italy.

I didn't vote leave as I had already stated. I will certainly consider it now if we end up with another vote.

 

[Astute]

Anyway, excepting my views ( or rather your version of my views ), why do you think so many leavers are constantly denying that they are racist and that there has been a rise in hate crimes? ( e.g. There is no rise in hate crimes as 'I don't believe a word of it' ).

Because of the amount of shite that some people are coming out with accusing people of being racist on farcebook and similar for voting leave.

 

[martcov]

Cameron got voted in saying we would have a referendum. So why shouldn't it have happened?

Because it was not necessary and was not done for the good of the Country, but more to do with internal tory politics. We have a functioning parliament and have over hundreds of years not or hardly ever used referenda. We obviously are no good at referenda and have landed with a narrow decision, which 2 weeks earlier would have sent our destiny in a completely different direction - also by a split decision. A terrible predicament.

 

[Astute]

Because it was not necessary and was not done for the good of the Country, but more to do with internal tory politics. We have a functioning parliament and have over hundreds of years not or hardly ever used referenda. We obviously are no good at referenda and have landed with a narrow decision, which 2 weeks earlier would have sent our destiny in a completely different direction - also by a split decision. A terrible predicament.

Are we no good at it because the vote never went the way you wanted?

 

[Bruce the Boot]

Ye. I think all kids should do at least a year in another EU country. We wouldn't be in this position if people lived in each other's countries for a short time.

Are you some sort of idiot? You think that people would send their most treasured possessions abroad alone , at the peril of people they dont know.

 

[martcov]

Are we no good at it because the vote never went the way you wanted?

No, if you read what I said earlier, a 70% + vote for remain or leave would have put the debate to bed. Circa 50:50 is the worse result you could get.

 

[martcov]

Are you some sort of idiot? You think that people would send their most treasured possessions abroad alone , at the peril of people they dont know.

Many do. It works usually. The people they don't know are no worse than the people here. Or do you believe that other Europeans are monsters? Did you vote leave?

 

[Astute]

No, if you read what I said earlier, a 70% + vote for remain or leave would have put the debate to bed. Circa 50:50 is the worse result you could get.

Yes it would have been better for a bigger majority. But well over 1m more voted to leave than stay. And easily the most votes for anything in the history of voting in the history of the UK. Not an insignificant number when you look at it that way.

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you some sort of idiot? You think that people would send their most treasured possessions abroad alone , at the peril of people they dont know.

Hahahaha oh dear.

 

[martcov]

Yes it would have been better for a bigger majority. But well over 1m more voted to leave than stay. And easily the most votes for anything in the history of voting in the history of the UK. Not an insignificant number when you look at it that way.

I would say that remain was the second most votes for anything in the history of the UK. Not an insignificant number. But, there we are, a totally unsatisfactory vote ( from the point of view of decision making ). In addition 2 out of 4 countries in the UK voted in a different direction, and London. Couldn't get much worse. Approximately half of the country will be pissed whatever happens now. The Status Quo was moaning, grumbling and Brussels bashing, but the economy was coming out of the recession strongly. The target was a 0:0 budget. That is now smashed and we will probably go into recession because of the uncertainty. People will hold back on investing until the dust has settled. Imo

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh well, at least we have made England England again.

 

[martcov]

Oh well, at least we have made England England again.

We certainly have....

 

[Kingokings204]

We certainly have....

Have we? I voted leave to open ourselves up to the world. It's a big world if you put yourselves out there.

Australia and Tony's New Zealand are already fighting for Britons trade deal first. They see this as their opportunity also. No?

 

[dutchman]

Oh well, at least we have made England England again.

The Welsh may disagree with you there?

 

[dutchman]

I think all kids should do at least a year in another EU country. We wouldn't be in this position if people lived in each other's countries for a short time.

They won't be "other people's countries" since the main aim of the EU is to become just one country.

 

[martcov]

They won't be "other people's countries" since the main aim of the EU is to become just one country.

All speaking one language?

 

[dutchman]

All speaking one language?

Not necessarily but with one border, one currency, one law, one legal system, one police force, one army, one economic policy and one foreign policy.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I would say that remain was the second most votes for anything in the history of the UK. Not an insignificant number. But, there we are, a totally unsatisfactory vote ( from the point of view of decision making ). In addition 2 out of 4 countries in the UK voted in a different direction, and London. Couldn't get much worse. Approximately half of the country will be pissed whatever happens now. The Status Quo was moaning, grumbling and Brussels bashing, but the economy was coming out of the recession strongly. The target was a 0:0 budget. That is now smashed and we will probably go into recession because of the uncertainty. People will hold back on investing until the dust has settled. Imo

But equally 2 out of 4 voted to leave, the people of London are a law to themselves and only ever think of their principality.

Not necessarily but with one border, one currency, one law, one legal system, one police force, one army, one economic policy and one foreign policy.

One leader