No. I have already said that the referendum was a failure either way because of the close result ( Astute will back me on that ).
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No. I have already said that the referendum was a failure either way because of the close result ( Astute will back me on that ).
skybluetony176
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FFS. There's only one race. The human race. Peace.
Astute
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Why not question the post by yourself?
Astute
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But would you have said it if the vote went the other way?
It was always going to be close. I would have respected the result either way. Just like I do in a general election. The result isn't wrong just because you don't like what the result is.
A general election is not final. I would accept that as well. A strong opposition would not allow everything. The point is that this is fundamental change that cannot be reversed in a couple of years. For something like leaving the EU you need a conclusive vote. 52% is not conclusive.
Do you think a million is a vast majority?
"Snobish british elite" so the german chancellor is both classist and racist if your claim is correct.
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Vice chancellor. No he is not racist as he wants people like me ( I am not young though ) to apply for German citizenship. He also thinks that the British system is an elitist system, which is true, and doesn't make him 'classist'. He is, however, a socialist.
CCFC Germany
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Wrong.
But I think you try die-hard to misunderstand me, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
Astute
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So where am I wrong or is it just a lie?
Astute
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Well there you go. You say that those that didn't vote and those that voted remain were in the majority. Then you say that those that didn't vote and those who voted leave didn't have much of a majority although it was well over a million more than the truth you tried to twist.
4% more voted leave than stay. Get over it.
rob9872
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Actually nearer 8% more voted leave than remain (17,410,742 ÷ 16,141,241) = 1.0786
rob9872
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Therefore a 16% swing needed for a result more decisive than this. What then a 3rd 4th 5th referendum? Or perhaps the loony left could simply accept a democratic decision. It's the basis for our society and represents the very freedom that attracts so many from overseas.
rob9872
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The excuse is that young people didn't vote. Too lazy disinterested or simply complacent is unacceptable, but even if the 75% of young voters are for remain, to achieve the 3m swing required to reverse and be more decisive than the current result would require an increase of 6m additional votes (4.5m v 1.5m) and that won't happen with any second vote so time to get over it and unite behind the result.
Everyone may not like it, but embracing change and uniting together behind it may surprise some that the world didn't end and all deals are still possible.
Everyone may not like it, but embracing change and uniting together behind it may surprise some that the world didn't end and all deals are still possible.
clint van damme
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I wouldn't call been governed by the Etonian elite as been governed by ourselves.
clint van damme
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hopefully he'll be heading for the Hague after tomorrow though I won't hold my breath.
mrtrench
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I find the EU political stance very interesting - an approach that has never been tried before to my knowledge. On the one hand they have socialist/communist traits: big government; big regulation; control centralised on unelected people; wealth redistribution. However on the other they are staunchly capitalist: pro-big business; "nudging" people to do what they want by providing options and influencing economically rather than dictating; pro-trade and private enterprise.
Another factor that influenced my vote is my distrust of human nature. It doesn't take too long for bad people to take over unelected government. There is a risk that once they got their one big state that it would start swinging towards corruption and malevolent diktat.
Farage said before the referendum that there should be a rerun if it was close ( he thought he would lose ). I say that we have a parliament to debate and decide on such crucial issues. There must be an election before article 50 is triggered. The referendum was not binding, but a decision by parliament is.
Depends on whether the ideas for more democracy and transparency now coming forward get followed through. That is the good thing about brexit - the EU now has to be reformed in order to keep the critics at bay.
mrtrench
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If that happens I will be extremely happy. If the EU sorted itself out I would support a Brexit rethink and I'd vote stay.
Think it would take 3 weeks....
Kingokings204
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Let's get it right. He never ever ever said there would be a re run. Please accept this.
He pointed out if it was 52-48 remain that there would be unfinished business but he would like everyone accept the result.
What you said was wrong. Sorry.
Proof
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12?edition=uk
And this is a paper who hates farage. Please get your facts right before posting.
Astute
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If we don't like what the EU does we can do nothing other than leave. If we don't like what the British politicians do we vote against them. Just like the majority who voted in the referendum did. So yes at least we have a say.
Astute
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This is the same as a lot of us.
Juncker said there was nothing else on the table and nothing else would be offered. This was going against what Cameron said. What we need is the chance of meaningful talks. Going along with the one size fits all goes against what most countries need.
Kingokings204
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Farage for all his faults is at least a democrat. He would accept any result. Now the remain side should keep bashing on the door of course as it is a close vote but remain lost and that won't change and there will never be a second referendum in a million years so get over it. I promise you there won't be in my opinion. It would well it just won't happen.
I have some clients to and their true colours have come out now but guess what both have a lot of money and both work for big companies. Now I'm not saying don't be cheesed off but why the need to be nasty. Says it all for me. I was genuinely shocked.
As for the race insinuations. Come on MartCov look we get you live in Germany and well done to you as its a lovely country but just because more people voted leave than remain doesn't mean in any form you have a race issue. It's simply ridiculous. It really paints you in a bad light.
The remain camp should now come together to make this work for all of us. Isn't that democracy? We have a debate and a vote, there is two sides to the argument and one side will win. End of.
One side point to the remainers as I have sympathy with being all as one and being better as a unit. Why do you think people voted leave? They voted leave because a lot of this country has been left behind and whilst dicks like multimillionaire bob geldoff can swear and put down hard working fisherman on the Thames there is a lot more who have had their communities destroyed and completely forgotten about without even a mention. This includes jobs, money, communities, nhs etc. That's why people voted leave.
I have some clients to and their true colours have come out now but guess what both have a lot of money and both work for big companies. Now I'm not saying don't be cheesed off but why the need to be nasty. Says it all for me. I was genuinely shocked.
As for the race insinuations. Come on MartCov look we get you live in Germany and well done to you as its a lovely country but just because more people voted leave than remain doesn't mean in any form you have a race issue. It's simply ridiculous. It really paints you in a bad light.
The remain camp should now come together to make this work for all of us. Isn't that democracy? We have a debate and a vote, there is two sides to the argument and one side will win. End of.
One side point to the remainers as I have sympathy with being all as one and being better as a unit. Why do you think people voted leave? They voted leave because a lot of this country has been left behind and whilst dicks like multimillionaire bob geldoff can swear and put down hard working fisherman on the Thames there is a lot more who have had their communities destroyed and completely forgotten about without even a mention. This includes jobs, money, communities, nhs etc. That's why people voted leave.
Astute
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You got it
They don't have to answer to anyone. Us voting to leave could well be the best thing to happen to the EU.
Well, actually he did say there should (as the comment you're quoting states) been a rerun -
"In an interview with the Mirror the Ukip leader said such a narrow margin would prompt him to fight for a second referendum.
He said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."
It said if the result was ⅔-⅓ people should accept that.
Therefore it surely follows that using this theory, as it was 48-52 there should be a second referendum and Farage should support it?
Kingokings204
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Exactly, that's the point is they are bad for us then we get rid of them. We can. General elections or otherwise.
Answers please. How do we get rid of juncker, tusk or Schulz? The 3 biggest presidents in the EU.
stupot07
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Really? Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
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Kingokings204
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Can't see where he says he would ask for a re run? Just unfinished business he says?
He actually said before this is a once in a lifetime vote. No?
Astute
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If we are ever given a referendum we would have the chance to vote leave which would also go against the Etonian elite........
Kingokings204
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Again, read your article and he stated very clearly. No second referendum.
"I'm not putting it on the agenda, I don't want a second referendum - I want to win this one," he said.
You actually put up a link supporting what I said.
Astute
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So nobody listens to a word Farage says as he is a racist idiot and would never have a chance of making decisions as he will never get into power. But if he says there should be a revote he must be right
Kingokings204
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So nobody listens to a word Farage says as he is a racist idiot and would never have a chance of making decisions as he will never get into power. But if he says there should be a revote he must be right
He never said it. Stupot actually put up a link that quotes him to saying no to a second referendum. I quoted it in my previous post. Bizarre