Have I missed an academy update? (39 Viewers)

[Nick]

What total a total Horse shit waste of time that statement was. If they invested as much time talking to the other side as to producing weak "look behind you statements" then there may be some progress.

Can anybody on here say that if any member of their team took this excuse to their boss that they would remain calm and accept it? Oh that critical issue we need to sort out well they offered a meeting top discuss it but I cancelled at the last minute because that had not given it all to me beforehand? In any for of business most things are sorted face to face
followed by the paperwork...... They dont want to fund it

Snake oil merchants!

So why would CSF go about calling bluffs by saying that CA won't meet them when he has said that from the start? Surely they send over what is on offer / come out and say they haven't received this request?

In my experience (I am by no means any sort of business guru) that a lot of things start off in writing and documented. Especially more so if there isn't much trust about. Otherwise CA could turn up and things get spun again, let's face it if CA went who would believe anything he says?

I'm not saying you are wrong, it is just the ultimate bluff from the start has been an email / letter saying what would be possible, according to them they have sent over the schedule etc of what they use.

It is like somebody saying to me "here is what computer I have, what can you offer me" and me refusing to tell them until they come and meet me. A lot of custom would be lost.

 

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[stupot07]

Anderson should have gone to the meeting

Wasps and CSF should put in writing what can be offered.

They're all a bunch of arses that need their heads banging together. Like nick, I have though that CSF u-turn and wasps helpfulness is a bit of a PR stunt and are potentially playing the Trust somewhat.

Also OSB makes a valid point - what happens when wasps bring their academy up to Coventry? Would this impact on their offer? Would they insert a break clause and exercise it when they do bring their academy up?

That said Anderson should have gone to the meeting or if worried about being press ganged arranged to meet with Wasps and CSF separately.

On a side note, I'm not sure how easy it would be to deliver an academy over 3-4 sites and whether that will require more money, more staffing and logistics issues. The land that I assume people are talking about as a possibility for more pitches has a stream running through and is probably susceptible to flooding.

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[armybike]

CCFC have sent over the schedules and have asked what would be available after the agreement expires, it is surely the way most would do it isn't it?

So, the sum total of CCFC's actions to retain the "heart of the club" is sending a letter and requesting a reply!

Blimey, now that's real effort! Seriously, they need to calm themselves down.

I think most, as demonstrated by the replies here, would have attended the meeting.

Requesting information is totally reasonable and to be expected.

However, refusing to attend meetings isn't.

The actions of Anderson are utter ludicrous and don't demonstrate those of someone who is apparently desperate to keep the Academy alive.

 

[Brylowes]

Anderson should have gone to the meeting


HAS A STREAM RUNNING THROUGH It AND IS PROBABLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLOODING

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Can't we cross that bridge when we come to it .

 

[Nick]

So, the sum total of CCFC's actions to retain the "heart of the club" is sending a letter and requesting a reply!

Blimey, now that's real effort! Seriously, they need to calm themselves down.

I think most, as demonstrated by the replies here, would have attended the meeting.

Requesting information is totally reasonable and to be expected.

However, refusing to attend meetings isn't.

The actions of Anderson are utter ludicrous and don't demonstrate those of someone who is apparently desperate to keep the Academy alive.

So if he has said he wouldn't go because of Trust issues (rumoured) then it is understandable isn't it?

It is CSF / Wasps who keep going and saying to the Trust and the Telegraph but their door is open but won't say what for unless they go for a face to face meeting?

My thoughts / conspiracy ideas / probably inaccurate ideas would be:

• CSF / Wasps know it isn't possible, so want to spin it as much they can so it isn't them damaging. CA knows this which is why he wants it in writing rather than going to a meeting that can be spun (for example look how much CJ tweeting and posting about the Trust meeting was so way off what was actually said). CSF / Wasps won't send an email saying this could be had because it is pretty certain it won't be enough. It is obvious that Wasps will go all out to protect their image.
• CCFC don't want the academy, they want to spin it that it is Wasps / CSF. In which case the actual bluff would have been to send over what's available that CA said at the start would get things under way. There is not much wrong with asking what is on offer / what is possible to be in writing between parties who don't have much trust. CSF / Wasps should / would have just sent it over (maybe even with the stuff from the trust) which would say "this is on offer, we can do it at this price per month and it is likely to be enough from the FA". It is there on the plate, CCFC can't back out of that or get away from it.

At work if we think somebody is a bit dodgy (which in this instance would be all parties in this) we would make sure everything was in writing and documented. It is all so easy for face to face stuff to be misunderstood and people leaving a meeting with 2 different ideas about what happens next.

I am not saying he shouldn't meet them, I am just not sure if he knows something else or there is a further reason. If the reason is just because they don't want the academy then why would CSF be refusing to send over what can be offered?

 

[Orca]

Genuine question, is anyone able to point me in the direction of this -

"We are aware that Coventry Council planners have also noted the absence of any proposal for the football Academy in Wasps' planning application and have since sought written proposals from Wasps for the football academy."

I can't because it doesn't exist. The planners asked for an explanation of what would be done to relocate the existing facilities in use there. No mention of the word Academy. As far as the planners are concerned, it's just football pitches and netball courts. Wasps came back and said they'd relocate the caged pitch elsewhere on the site at their expense.

 

[Nick]

I can't because it doesn't exist. The planners asked for an explanation of what would be done to relocate the existing facilities in use there. No mention of the word Academy. As far as the planners are concerned, it's just football pitches and netball courts. Wasps came back and said they'd relocate the caged pitch elsewhere on the site at their expense.

In which case, why would the council need to manage the PR if it was just football pitches and netball courts?

 

[skybluetony176]

Surely the reason he wouldnt attend is probably something like why CSF won't chuck it in an email and send it over?

He wouldn't attend because he's being a prick. If he had any interest in saving the academies status he would have attended regardless and if the lack of correspondence bothered him that much again he could have behaved like an adult and addressed it at the meeting that he's too busy playing childish games to attend.

Does anyone have an email address for the clergyman who helped facilitate the Ricoh return? It sounds like devine intervention is the only chance that the academy has. Chris Anderson certainly isn't going out of his way to save it that is for certain.

 

[Nick]

He wouldn't attend because he's being a prick. If he had any interest in saving the academies status he would have attended regardless and if the lack of correspondence bothered him that much again he could have behaved like an adult and addressed it at the meeting that he's too busy playing childish games to attend.

Does anyone have an email address for the clergyman who helped facilitate the Ricoh return? It sounds like devine intervention is the only chance that the academy has. Chris Anderson certainly isn't going out of his way to save it that is for certain.

Have a look at why it is all a PR stunt. He said from the start that he has requested things in writing, he has sent over the schedule of what is used at the minute and asked if Wasps / CSF could accommodate AFTER the agreement runs out.

Yes, he could have gone to meet them but is it really a childish game to not go to a meeting? If Wasps / CSF wanted to call bluffs they wouldn't go on about face to face meetings, they would just send it over and attach the telegraph into the email wouldn't they? Why aren't they keen in things being documented?

Look at what came out from the trust meeting them, you had CJ saying 1 thing about the meeting and then Jan saying something else. I doubt it was by accident.

 

[armybike]

So if he has said he wouldn't go because of Trust issues (rumoured) then it is understandable isn't it?

Absolutely 100% not understandable.

He's apparently desperate to keep the Academy and to date all he's managed is to moaned about the situation via the media, sent a letter and requested a reply.

It's apparently the heart of the club and every day that ticks by is another towards its currently pending demise.

He's totally ballsed this one up and should get back on to the parties (via SBT?) and set a date to meet up with absolutely no prerequisite.

Having the meeting, see how the land lies and then set a schedule for moving things forward as a group rather than individual parties.

But no........he's not playing because he's not had a frigging response!!!

 

[Nick]

Absolutely 100% not understandable.

He's apparently desperate to keep the Academy and to date all he's managed is to moaned about the situation via the media, sent a letter and requested a reply.

It's apparently the heart of the club and every day that ticks by is another towards its currently pending demise.

He's totally ballsed this one up and should get back on to the parties (via SBT?) and set a date to meet up with absolutely no prerequisite.

Having the meeting, see how the land lies and then set a schedule for moving things forward as a group rather than individual parties.

But no........he's not playing because he's not had a frigging response!!!

What I don't get is why people aren't interested to know why CSF / Wasps are so keen not to send over what would be possible in writing? Surely they just send it over and it will prove that CCFC have no interest in keeping the academy? Any doubt regarding them destroying it is then gone isn't it?

 

[skybluetony176]

So if he has said he wouldn't go because of Trust issues (rumoured) then it is understandable isn't it?

It is CSF / Wasps who keep going and saying to the Trust and the Telegraph but their door is open but won't say what for unless they go for a face to face meeting?

My thoughts / conspiracy ideas / probably inaccurate ideas would be:

• CSF / Wasps know it isn't possible, so want to spin it as much they can so it isn't them damaging. CA knows this which is why he wants it in writing rather than going to a meeting that can be spun (for example look how much CJ tweeting and posting about the Trust meeting was so way off what was actually said). CSF / Wasps won't send an email saying this could be had because it is pretty certain it won't be enough. It is obvious that Wasps will go all out to protect their image.
• CCFC don't want the academy, they want to spin it that it is Wasps / CSF. In which case the actual bluff would have been to send over what's available that CA said at the start would get things under way. There is not much wrong with asking what is on offer / what is possible to be in writing between parties who don't have much trust. CSF / Wasps should / would have just sent it over (maybe even with the stuff from the trust) which would say "this is on offer, we can do it at this price per month and it is likely to be enough from the FA". It is there on the plate, CCFC can't back out of that or get away from it.

At work if we think somebody is a bit dodgy (which in this instance would be all parties in this) we would make sure everything was in writing and documented. It is all so easy for face to face stuff to be misunderstood and people leaving a meeting with 2 different ideas about what happens next.

I am not saying he shouldn't meet them, I am just not sure if he knows something else or there is a further reason. If the reason is just because they don't want the academy then why would CSF be refusing to send over what can be offered?

If there are trust issues you behave like an adult, go to the meeting and address those trust issues by building bridges. Instead he chose to build another wall by not attending. Hardly the actions of someone with an interest in securing the academies status I'm sure you agree.

 

[armybike]

Yes, he could have gone to meet them but is it really a childish game to not go to a meeting?

Yes - childish and unprofessional.

As albatross correctly pointed out, imagine trying to present this as the reason a project hasn't moved forward.

 

[Brylowes]

So if he has said he wouldn't go because of Trust issues (rumoured) then it is understandable isn't it?

It is CSF / Wasps who keep going and saying to the Trust and the Telegraph but their door is open but won't say what for unless they go for a face to face meeting?

My thoughts / conspiracy ideas / probably inaccurate ideas would be:

• CSF / Wasps know it isn't possible, so want to spin it as much they can so it isn't them damaging. CA knows this which is why he wants it in writing rather than going to a meeting that can be spun (for example look how much CJ tweeting and posting about the Trust meeting was so way off what was actually said). CSF / Wasps won't send an email saying this could be had because it is pretty certain it won't be enough. It is obvious that Wasps will go all out to protect their image.
• CCFC don't want the academy, they want to spin it that it is Wasps / CSF. In which case the actual bluff would have been to send over what's available that CA said at the start would get things under way. There is not much wrong with asking what is on offer / what is possible to be in writing between parties who don't have much trust. CSF / Wasps should / would have just sent it over (maybe even with the stuff from the trust) which would say "this is on offer, we can do it at this price per month and it is likely to be enough from the FA". It is there on the plate, CCFC can't back out of that or get away from it.

At work if we think somebody is a bit dodgy (which in this instance would be all parties in this) we would make sure everything was in writing and documented. It is all so easy for face to face stuff to be misunderstood and people leaving a meeting with 2 different ideas about what happens next.

I am not saying he shouldn't meet them, I am just not sure if he knows something else or there is a further reason. If the reason is just because they don't want the academy then why would CSF be refusing to send over what can be offered?

Nick,
TBH it's just our lot that are dodgy, the others whilst having dealings with us choose
to lower their standards .
Never fight clean in a dirty fight.

 

[Nick]

Yes - childish and unprofessional.

As albatross correctly pointed out, imagine trying to present this as the reason a project hasn't moved forward.

But then why are the planners doing everything in writing and not just meeting up around a table?

There is more to it.

A lot of people are saying it is because CCFC don't want the academy, which it could well be. So why aren't CSF and Wasps clearing any bad attitude towards them by just putting it all in writing about how the academy will be welcome, how everything is possible etc. Instead, they whisper things to the trust about it.

 

[Nick]

Nick,
TBH it's just our lot that are dodgy, the others whilst having dealings with us choose
to lower their standards .
Never fight clean in a dirty fight.

Exactly. The best way to win the fight is for CSF to have a document written (all of a couple of hours, much less hassle than the press and meetings and "Why dont you text me"). CA has said from the start they wanted to start off with things in writing. Get a document, put in there what they told the trust and what is on offer and how things will work and send it over. If CA still doesn't respond or do anything when the Academy is there with it's pants off and moistened up ready to go then it is bloody obvious isn't it.

Instead, they put rumours out via the trust and people around the trust. They know those people have influence over city fans, they used them when they first moved in to soften the blow.

 

[skybluetony176]

Have a look at why it is all a PR stunt. He said from the start that he has requested things in writing, he has sent over the schedule of what is used at the minute and asked if Wasps / CSF could accommodate AFTER the agreement runs out.

Yes, he could have gone to meet them but is it really a childish game to not go to a meeting? If Wasps / CSF wanted to call bluffs they wouldn't go on about face to face meetings, they would just send it over and attach the telegraph into the email wouldn't they? Why aren't they keen in things being documented?

Look at what came out from the trust meeting them, you had CJ saying 1 thing about the meeting and then Jan saying something else. I doubt it was by accident.

Not could have gone to the meeting. Should have gone to the meeting. Why are you defending him for actively not persueing every course of action to help secure the future of the academy? As has been pointed out the sum of what he's done is send a letter, woe me'd alot, spat his dummy out and not attended a prearranged meeting.

Straight question. Is that the actions of a man intent on saving the academy?

The trust have done more and they don't get paid to sort this out.

 

[Orca]

In which case, why would the council need to manage the PR if it was just football pitches and netball courts?

I agree, the use of that phrase is a red flag, but I think that's just an awareness of the situation at hand. In pure planning terms, the presence of the Academy means very little as they only have a rental agreement. The fact that the planners have asked for current provisions to be catered for, in my view, shows a willingness to make sure the Academy IS catered for, not the other way around.


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[armybike]

But then why are the planners doing everything in writing and not just meeting up around a table?

There is more to it.

A lot of people are saying it is because CCFC don't want the academy, which it could well be. So why aren't CSF and Wasps clearing any bad attitude towards them by just putting it all in writing about how the academy will be welcome, how everything is possible etc. Instead, they whisper things to the trust about it.

You think planners don't have face-to-face meetings?

You're now stating there "is more to this" rather than it just being your opinion?

Where's the bad attitude towards CSF and Wasps?

Anderson/CCFC have ballsed this up - they're the only party who are going to lose out and playing their face about moving things forward.

You can muster up all the conspiracy theories you want - Anderson is being pigged headed and it's not down to others to sort out the fall out from his decision.

I'm not suggesting he beg and plead, but grow a pair and get a meeting sorted and look at moving this forward.

This time next year the Academy could be dead and buried - he doesn't seem to have realised the significance of that when refusing to attend meetings, all because he's not had a reply.

 

[skybluetony176]

But then why are the planners doing everything in writing and not just meeting up around a table?

There is more to it.

A lot of people are saying it is because CCFC don't want the academy, which it could well be. So why aren't CSF and Wasps clearing any bad attitude towards them by just putting it all in writing about how the academy will be welcome, how everything is possible etc. Instead, they whisper things to the trust about it.

Because it's the planners job to do that. Same as it's Andersons job to do everything he can to save the the academy. Assuming that he wants to save the academy of course.

 

[Nick]

Because it's the planners job to do that. Same as it's Andersons job to do everything he can to save the the academy. Assuming that he wants to save the academy of course.

So you are saying it is the planner's job to do everything in writing? Why would they ask for things to be clarified in writing rather than just a meeting down the pub?

 

[Nick]

You think planners don't have face-to-face meetings?

You're now stating there "is more to this" rather than it just being your opinion?

Where's the bad attitude towards CSF and Wasps?

Anderson/CCFC have ballsed this up - they're the only party who are going to lose out and playing their face about moving things forward.

You can muster up all the conspiracy theories you want - Anderson is being pigged headed and it's not down to others to sort out the fall out from his decision.

I'm not suggesting he beg and plead, but grow a pair and get a meeting sorted and look at moving this forward.

This time next year the Academy could be dead and buried - he doesn't seem to have realised the significance of that when refusing to attend meetings, all because he's not had a reply.

Can you remember the bad attitude towards Wasps when the news first came out? The threads on here about boycotting them and encouraging others to as well from posters who have never said things like that before?

This is the Pr being managed.

Do you not think there is more to this going on then? Surely the logical thing to do would be to put something in writing to bury CA for good rather than just saying he didn't go to a meeting he said from the start he wouldn't anyway?

He goes to a meeting and Wasps could turn round and say he hit them all with a hammer, who the hell is going to believe CA?

 

[Brylowes]

This time next year the Academy could be dead and buried - he doesn't seem to have realised the significance of that when refusing to attend meetings, all because he's not had a reply.

I think that's his plan" armybike

 

[Nick]

I think that's his plan" armybike

It could well be. What confuses me about it all is why CSF / Wasps are reluctant to prove that beyond all doubt by sending over stuff in writing that puts the academy on a plate rather than getting people from the Trust to say how everything is fine (not in writing, just a rumour).

 

[armybike]

Can you remember the bad attitude towards Wasps when the news first came out? The threads on here about boycotting them and encouraging others to as well from posters who have never said things like that before?

This is the Pr being managed.

Do you not think there is more to this going on then?

Right, Anderson bailed out of the meeting, he's confirmed that, he's also confirmed it was because he hadn't had a letter.

That's nothing to do with PR, that's down to Anderson making a decision which is unjustifiable in the situation.

Thankfully the majority of people here are seeing the situation for what it is - CCFC playing their face despite the matter at hand being the retention of the Academy.

I take things as I find them until it can be categorically shown otherwise - guess work, presenting opinions as facts and conspiracy theories don't help the situation one iota.

 

[skybluetony176]

So you are saying it is the planner's job to do everything in writing? Why would they ask for things to be clarified in writing rather than just a meeting down the pub?

Because they are going through a legal process. Did I really have to just point that out for you?

When there's agreements made between CCFC and CSF/Wasps then yes everything should be in writing and binding. Until that point face to face is fine. Unless of course you have no interest in achieving what you're claiming to want to achieve.

 

[Nick]

Right, Anderson bailed out of the meeting, he's confirmed that, he's also confirmed it was because he hadn't had a letter.

That's nothing to do with PR, that's down to Anderson making a decision which is unjustifiable in the situation.

Thankfully the majority of people here are seeing the situation for what it is - CCFC playing their face despite the matter at hand being the retention of the Academy.

I take things as I find them until it can be categorically shown otherwise - guess work, presenting opinions as facts and conspiracy theories don't help the situation one iota.

Yes, so he said at the start as soon as the Wasps stuff came out that he didn't want to do it over text and wanted it in writing to go from there.

So let's go with the theory that CCFC don't want the academy, Wasps / CSF could quite easily just confirm that and do wonders for their PR by sending stuff over in a letter couldn't they? Why are they not wanting to put things down in writing?

They said at the start it wouldn't be possible (I think they said probably) that the academy couldnt exist after all the stuff has been done. Then they meet with the trust and they come out shouting that everything is saved (when it actually isn't).

 

[Brylowes]

This all just reminds me of when we left the Ricoh, everyone trying to get us to stay, improved
Rent deals etc, but SISU just throwing up obstacles.
Because their mind is made up, their strategy is to lose the academy and if they can pass the
book onto someone else, even better.

 

[Nick]

This all just reminds me of when we left the Ricoh, everyone trying to get us to stay, improved
Rent deals etc, but SISU just throwing up obstacles.
Because their mind is made up, their strategy is to lose the academy and if they can pass the
book onto someone else, even better.

Yes but what you miss is that all of the improved rent deals had conditions on them didn't they?

 

[ccfcway]

It is like somebody saying to me "here is what computer I have, what can you offer me" and me refusing to tell them until they come and meet me. A lot of custom would be lost.

Not if I currently use your computer and am receiving funding towards using it and I may not be able to get a computer if I don't use yours"

 

[Nick]

Not if I currently use your computer and am receiving funding towards using it and I may not be able to get a computer if I don't use yours"

Yes, but the computers are now going to be used by new people. So the existing customer needs to know if, when and what will be available once I have sorted stuff with the new people. The customer would send me what they need (like CA says he has) and would ask for me to tell them if / what is possible.

Maybe I could just refuse to answer until they came to meet me?

 

[armybike]

Yes, so he said at the start as soon as the Wasps stuff came out that he didn't want to do it over text and wanted it in writing to go from there.

So let's go with the theory that CCFC don't want the academy, Wasps / CSF could quite easily just confirm that and do wonders for their PR by sending stuff over in a letter couldn't they? Why are they not wanting to put things down in writing?

They said at the start it wouldn't be possible (I think they said probably) that the academy couldnt exist after all the stuff has been done. Then they meet with the trust and they come out shouting that everything is saved (when it actually isn't).

You can go over the same points as many times as you want, but Anderson had an opportunity to meet with the parties involved and refused to.

This simply can't be justified taking into account he apparently wants to keep the Academy.

So at the start he said he wanted everything in writing, well bully for him!

He's also claimed that nobody is willing to engage - things change and people should have the gumption to be fluid especially if they have so much to lose.

CSF and Wasps, on the surface, have agreed to look at finding a solution but the brakes have been placed on by Anderson/CCFC.

If things stay as they currently are this time next year the Academy will be gone - but hey, at least Anderson can say he stood his ground!

 

[ccfcway]

Yes, but the computers are now going to be used by new people. So the existing customer needs to know if, when and what will be available once I have sorted stuff with the new people. The customer would send me what they need (like CA says he has) and would ask for me to tell them if / what is possible.

Maybe I could just refuse to answer until they came to meet me?

computer says no

 

[Nick]

You can go over the same points as many times as you want, but Anderson had an opportunity to meet with the parties involved and refused to.

This simply can't be justified taking into account he apparently wants to keep the Academy.

So at the start he said he wanted everything in writing, well bully for him!

He's also claimed that nobody is willing to engage - things change and people should have the gumption to be fluid especially if they have so much to lose.

CSF and Wasps, on the surface, have agreed to look at finding a solution but the brakes have been placed on by Anderson/CCFC.

If things stay as they currently are this time next year the Academy will be gone - but hey, at least Anderson can say he stood his ground!

CSF and Wasps haven't really given anything away. They just keep saying things like "our door is open".

Like I said, it is all about the PR isn't it and how things "look".

There has obviously been some sort of contact / communication as he has sent over a schedule of what is used and when hasn't he? Why the reluctance do discuss things where things can be proven?

 

[armybike]

Like I said, it is all about the PR isn't it and how things "look".

No - you can keep saying it, but no.

Anderson pulled out of a meeting - the person responsible for the Academy - the man in charge - the face of CCFC.

The situation were faced with is based on his choice.

Do you think Anderson should have gone to the meeting even without the requested information having been provided?