But you're basing you're argument on figures you're guessing at.
However - with both social and cultural consideration why do you think there would be a large demand for mental health services by refugees?
Munich another shooting (42 Viewers)
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But you're basing you're argument on figures you're guessing at.
However - with both social and cultural consideration why do you think there would be a large demand for mental health services by refugees?
Were they Merkel's refugees? Not that it matters to the priest, but are you trying to blame Merkel for everthing? Which terrorist attacks have I denied? There is no onslaught... There are attacks, but not exactly an onslaught and not necessarily by recent refugees.
The facts?
Or do you mean your facts? Like I want to replace Hitler. And that black people are brown people if they are muslims. And people in the UK think it is OK for white Christians to murder people but not OK for brown muslims to do so.
Yes all comments made by you. And you are sick if it should have been a joke but the smilie on your phone isn't working
If you put ; and ) together you get a wink. But you should know this by now. Phones have done it for enough years now.
Show me where I said you want to replace Hitler, where Black People are brown people or where I said people in the UK say it is ok for white christians to murder people but not brown people? All bollocks as usual.
As regards the smily, I pressed the smily on my keyboard and it didn't show on my post. If I had known that, I would have pressed ;-).
Astute
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So what did you mean with this bullshit then?
SkyblueBazza
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...an already strained system where even children cannot get access to the consultations they need.
Radio5 this morning - people saying that the only way they can get any attention is by committing a crime because the Police come and arrest them. And the Police are apparently mostly good. They always listen quite sympathetically & pass them to someone else who has to listen at that moment...but that is a short moment & they are soon back off the swing & on to the all too familiar roundabout of their troubled lives.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
SkyblueBazza
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In fairness this is no different to he guesswork involved in allowing the influx to start with. It was probably guessed that there would be very few migrants that were non-refugees (I. E. Economic migrants) nor that posed many/any unacceptable risk to the rest of us. That guessing was done by those living mostly within a security cocoon where their kind neither know nor care how much a pint of milk costs let alone what risks the average punter faces with increasing frequency.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
This doesn't relate to the point at hand in my reply, which are regarding up take of mental health services.
Nick has asserted that 1000s of refugees have arrived in Germany with mental health issues and thereby the mental health services are being directly impacted upon.
My point being how has he formed the assumption that the refugees would be queueing up for such services taking into account the social and cultural considerations.
Whilst the numbers of people acknowledging they have mental health issues and seeking assistance to address them is slowly increasing in the West, it simply doesn't follow that people from other countries/cultures will suddenly flock to take up such services.
Nick
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Maybe they should, they wouldn't hack at people with axes then.
My comments about mental health are based on the way Mart tries to say "ah its ok, its not ISIS they have mental health issues".
So you've flipped from raising issue with the swamping of mental health services resulting in locals being pushed down the queue to saying that people with mental health issues should take up the services you've originally criticised them from negatively impacting upon!
Well done, no seriously, well done! :facepalm:
Grendel
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You really are an idiot.
Nick
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And you have obsessed over a single point in a wide discussion, for a change.
Mart is saying they should be in a unit, so I was saying surely if you were to put them all in a unit it would have an impact on the services.
Christ, stop taking everything so literally all the time.
dutchman
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I think it already has and may have been a factor in the Munich shooting. The shooter was born in Germany and considered himself to be German yet was denied the medical supervision he obviously needed.
CCFC Germany
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Because they could not be stopped back in the days by means you are asking for today. Doesn't make sense to me.
CCFC Germany
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Yes.Any real Germans here?
CCFC Germany
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Just the ones wishing themselves back to 1933.
Nick
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CCFC Germany
Active Member
Define "majority".
Don't think so. A "majority" would give neo nazi parties like the AfD more than 15%.
CCFC Germany
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Ah the old Nazi shout
That's what you said.
Nick
Administrator
What happened in 1933? It's been a while but I just assumed it was about Nazi's in Germany / Hitler etc so could be wrong.
dutchman
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So you're suggesting that anyone who disagrees with Angela's open door policy or is even slightly more conservative than you is a "Neo Nazi"?
You made issue about locals being pushed down the lists, but the flipped your position and said the refugees should take up the available service - so which is it?
Nick
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I still think you miss the points completely by taking things too literally and insisted on bar charts and written statements before understanding anything you don't agree with.*
Martcov is trying to say that the refugees involved have mental health issues and should be helped before they can cause issues like this, so if they are forced to receive help for the safety of themselves and others. Who is going to do this? Will they build new units to house them?
If they don't receive it, then they are wandering the streets with an axe.
*Is this where you say "where have I insisted on bar charts and written statements", again clearly mis-understanding.
CCFC Germany
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No, I don't.
I do think whoever votes for a party with proven links to criminal + violent right wing gangs and one that can't come to terms to refrain from one of them openly claiming that the killing of jews in WWII never happend is.
Grendel
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I wouldn't start taking a pro Jewish stance if I were you. The people being allowed into your country don't even recognise Israel on a map. It's actually removed.
It is funny that a particular culture which is deeply racist, mysoginistic and outrageously homophobic is staunchly defended by those who would be morally outraged if the indegenous European population espoused the views that they do.
dutchman
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They wouldn't be voting for these fringe parties if the mainstream parties adopted more sensible immigration policies more in line with how a majority of Germans feel.
I'm not missing the point, I just don't think you're making your point very well.
You introduced the 1000s figure into the discussion.
You know there are people in these numbers in Germany with such a level of mental health issue they'd take such steps as using an axe?
Unless of course you think everyone will a mental health issue is prone to carrying out an axe attack or any attack for that matter?
I'd rather take this literally than make it up as I go along.
clint van damme
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And perhaps the anti immigration politicians should be forced to live in the war zones these people are fleeing so they can understand what they are risking their lives fleeing from.
Nick
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My wife came in earlier, she said her feet were killing her.
Did I
a: Ask for a death certificate or phone an ambulance or
b: realise what she was actually on about?
I think the point is obvious isn't it? You get a lot more people in a place in a short amount of time and the services get strained, Martcov brought mental health up saying the lad who killed the woman should have been put into a mental health unit.
Now, it is estimated (I haven't counted every single one) at 360,000 "Syrians" fleeing to Germany.
It is estimated that 1% of people will be diagnosed with Schizophrenia for example (Again, I am not an expert I am just going off stats).
It is estimated that 6% of adults (aged 16 and over) report having made a suicide attempt at some point in their life.
Let's go with the 6%, that's in the thousands isn't it?
Where have I said every single one would use an axe? I haven't have I? That was Martcov's reasoning for this happening, that he was mentally ill and should be in a unit.
Of course not everybody is going to go out and murder somebody, but it is going to have some sort of strain on that isn't it? Hence the example.
CCFC Germany
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So now you are speaking for all of Germany ?
CCFC Germany
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So you claim the European population is "racist, mysoginistic and outrageously homophobic" ?
CCFC Germany
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Nick
Administrator
Really?
dutchman
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I'm not speaking for anyone, I 'm making an observation.
The same is true in Britain, people would not be voting for UKIP if the mainstream parties adopted policies which were more in line with how a majority of British voters feel.
chiefdave
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If we're looking in particular at Syria its been a colossal fuck up. We started bombing them with no idea what we would do when people very predictably started fleeing the area.
I'm sure if, when we had terriorst trouble on our shores courtesy of the IRA if, lets say, Russia decided to start bombing the UK to 'help' plenty of people on here would have been legging it to France as quickly as they could and when France got overwhelmed they would have kept going to other countries.
What should have happened is that there sure have been facilities to process refugees as they left the country. Place them temporarily into holding camps before distributing them through numerous countries. That way you could stop people from other countries claiming to be Syrian refugees for a start. You also have some record of who is moving where and can check that against crime and terrorism databases.
The consequence of everyone saying it wasn't there problem was it had to get to a stage of total crisis before anyone did anything. By then there were already refugees spread all over the place, with no record of who was where. Then other immigrants and terrorists mixed in with them using the confusion as cover.
Why isn't there more camps like Zattari? That's what we need but its too late now. The genie is out of the bottle and nobody has a plan to put in back in.