Because if we do a deal that means we agree to something in order to get something in return. It depends on how badly we need something or how badly the EU wants something from us. The signs are that we will probably have to compromise on some things. But we don't know yet. For example: We agree to some US enviromental regulations in order to be able to sell cars in the US, but we are not members of the US.
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Because if we do a deal that means we agree to something in order to get something in return. It depends on how badly we need something or how badly the EU wants something from us. The signs are that we will probably have to compromise on some things. But we don't know yet. For example: We agree to some US enviromental regulations in order to be able to sell cars in the US, but we are not members of the US.
ccfc92
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Yes, I see what you mean, that makes sense.
mrtrench
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FTSE close to 7,000; FX stabilised; retail sales up; unemployment down.
It's still early days and this Moody's forecast speculative but rumours of the UK's death appear to have been exaggerated.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...EM_Recipient_2016_08_18&utm_campaign=DM153380
It's still early days and this Moody's forecast speculative but rumours of the UK's death appear to have been exaggerated.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...EM_Recipient_2016_08_18&utm_campaign=DM153380
clint van damme
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depends who you believe:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-post-brexit-recession-economy-a7195661.html
personally, I'm going to wait until we've actually left the EU to judge the effects.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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personally I don't think the powers that be will actually let us leave.....
The EU elite have quite a track record of riding roughshod over the democratic results of sovereign nations......
...just ask the French, Dutch, Irish etc.
The EU elite have quite a track record of riding roughshod over the democratic results of sovereign nations......
...just ask the French, Dutch, Irish etc.
Terry Gibson's perm
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I am quite enjoying the interim period of them saying we need to go now and us saying when we are good and ready.
But I agree I don't think we will leave I wonder if the House of Lords can get involved.
fernandopartridge
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Banks have a vested interested in leave doom mongering tbf. Funny how the Indie is now parroting lines from banks.
clint van damme
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the indie is moving more to the right every day, when your circulations plummeting and you become more reliant on advertising it's amazing how principles go out of the window.
Look at the mail, always took a fairly puritanical stance, it's online addition could be confused for a lads mag.
What is the right in this case? They are saying the major banks may go elsewhere. Is that right wing? Or is it just speculation to support disappointed remainers? Is it left to leave and right to remain? I think is more remain or leave here. The Indie is remain.
Terry Gibson's perm
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These businesses that want to go let them but then when they try to import their goods put on a massive import tax and also shame them to stop people buying from them.
dancers lance
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I'm having a couple of weeks off work and we have decided to stay in England (we always go abroad) and do a road trip, we set off on Sunday and have been to Lytham St Anns, Blackpool, Morecome and up to the Lake district, we have just returned back to Coventry today as we have a family wedding on Saturday then we are off again down south on Sunday to Portsmouth, Hayling Island, Weymouth and Dorset. Anyway, everywhere we went was packed with people spending money and choosing to stay here rather than go abroad due to the exchange rate. We spoke to a guy who owns a hotel, bar and restaurant and he said he is having his best season since 2003 and so are many of his competitors.
Up in the lakes it is packed with foreign tourists (and natives) as they are taking advantage of the exchange rate, now, this may be a short lived thing but at the moment this very important part of our economy is booming.
Footnote: We visited Levens Hall at it is amazing, well worth the journey.
Up in the lakes it is packed with foreign tourists (and natives) as they are taking advantage of the exchange rate, now, this may be a short lived thing but at the moment this very important part of our economy is booming.
Footnote: We visited Levens Hall at it is amazing, well worth the journey.
Kingokings204
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More of us should holiday in this country and it is beautiful and help the small businesses out. People like B and B owners and cafes.
How many times do you see a lovely seaside British town and within the last 10-15 years a giant Tesco or some thing has been built and completely ruined it for these people. I have been going seaton and beer in south Devon for years and a massive Tesco went up and half the businesses closed down overnight. Disgraceful.
Ive just booked the Yorkshire moors in October so in doing my bit also.
How many times do you see a lovely seaside British town and within the last 10-15 years a giant Tesco or some thing has been built and completely ruined it for these people. I have been going seaton and beer in south Devon for years and a massive Tesco went up and half the businesses closed down overnight. Disgraceful.
Ive just booked the Yorkshire moors in October so in doing my bit also.
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Off to Cromer for a week today may prove to be a useful choice of location on Tuesday evening
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I saw your post and then saw the article was by the Independent and chuckled to myself.
Absolutely nothing against you at all, but that newspaper has been a filthy disease during and since the referendum. They could write a story on a cat that got stuck up a tree and still find some way of blaming Brexit.
clint van damme
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but people would say the same about the telegraph, my point, which I think you've missed is, until we actually leave, saying brexit has caused this or that, whether positive or negative, is all conjecture.
mrtrench
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Partially; I certainly wouldn't draw any conclusions until 2 years after we have left as that's when we'll have had time to see the effects - although of course we'll never know what might have been had the opposite happened.
What we can judge from this is the effect on sentiment - and that doesn't seem to be anything close to what was threatened.
chiefdave
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Roughly 50% of staff where I work have been told they are being made redundant due to uncertainly following the brexit vote so I don't think its really just wait and see what happens.
clint van damme
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that's pretty staggering. What industry are you in?
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A lot of companies seem to be taking Advantage of this moment to get rid of staff most had planned it anyway but now they have an excuse.
The real test of sentiment will come with the activating of article 50. Until then, the longer it goes on, the less worried people will become. There is no panic at the moment as nothing has actually happened. Do you mean 2 years after we have left - which may take many years, or 2 years after we have triggered article 50?
How do you know that 'most had planned it anyway'? Or did you just make that up?
Captain Dart
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Because these things don't generally happen overnight.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Look at 'Low Cost Holidays'.
A multi-million pound company does not go into liquidation overnight. It was hemorrhaging money for a long time.
Oh well, Brexit comes along, two weeks later 'sorry we can't take you on holiday, Brexit killed us.'
It was a poorly run company that found an easy excuse. They're not the only ones either, which loops back to martcov's point.
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Big business will look to use every angle that's why a lot are not prolific tax payers. I think a few days after the vote lloyds announced 200 branch closures blaming brexit not the years of mismanagement and overpaying average.
clint van damme
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i totally agree, but it works the other way, for example, leavers trying to say that the recent drop in unemployment was a result of the brexit vote when it had absolutely nothing to do with it.
mrtrench
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Respectfully disagree that the activation of Article 50 is relevant to sentiment. That's just admin'.
I did mean 2 years after we have actually left. This is a long term play and we should know by then if it has paid off. If, as I believe and hope, we are able to negotiate many trade deals across the world and reach a sensible agreement with the EUC, we could be booming by then (relative to the global economy at that time). If we are not then I will admit to having been wrong.
I also hope to see that net immigration reduces to something like 100k per year by then and as a result house prices have reduced.
SIR ERNIE
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Actually there's plenty of panic and it's happening in Brussels.
The EU dictators are frantically trying to figure out how they can continue to run their bloated, self serving machine without the billions contributed by the UK.
They're already suggesting that Germany will need to bung another 3 billion euros annually into the EU pot. That'll go down well.
Then France, Italy, Netherlands will get their arms twisted for a few extra billion.
Good luck with that one.
Really? The last I heard they were meeting ( F, D and I ) to discuss what next and how to deal with the UK. All three are in favour of insisting on free movement of labour if the UK wants to stay in the single market. Good luck with the negotiations.
dancers lance
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We just got back today from leg 2 of our English road trip we done Horley (little village near Gatwick) as we have family that run a pub there, Hayling Island, Portsmouth then across to Sherbourne in Dorset (taking in Stone Henge on the way) West Bay, Durdle Door, Swanage, Milbourne Port, then home. Loads of driving but well worth it, best holiday for years and we just followed amazing weather, I have a proper 'Dad tan' as my 13 year old daughter called it (brown arms, legs and face with a pearly white torso).
Already planning the next one.
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Just come back from a lovely week in Cromer weather was good didn't go to the match at Norwich as couldn't get a pass out
mrtrench
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There's a new book by the Nobel left wing economist Joseph Stiglitz which condemns EMU. I haven't read it - just this review; however it is so much aligned with my thinking on the subject that I thought I'd share:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/wh...riment-has-been-a-disaster-admits-nobel-priz/
Interestingly, Stiglitz also condemns free movement as "an economic and political disaster". And writes that "Britain isn't likely to be much worse off and potentially could even be better off".
I realise there are as many views on economics as there are economists and I don't believe that just because it's written in a book or in a newspaper then it must be true. I also don't expect some here to agree with it; we've already done these discussions to death - expressing our views in good grace & articulately I think for a football forum. . Nevertheless, this article expresses my views better than I have been able.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/wh...riment-has-been-a-disaster-admits-nobel-priz/
Interestingly, Stiglitz also condemns free movement as "an economic and political disaster". And writes that "Britain isn't likely to be much worse off and potentially could even be better off".
I realise there are as many views on economics as there are economists and I don't believe that just because it's written in a book or in a newspaper then it must be true. I also don't expect some here to agree with it; we've already done these discussions to death - expressing our views in good grace & articulately I think for a football forum.
. Nevertheless, this article expresses my views better than I have been able.
Liquid Gold
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To suggest all these redundancies are due to Brexit is misleading and inevitably a strategy used by some companies that are under performing. Some of the redundancies however will be as a result of Brexit and to me that's the real issue, people are loosing their jobs because of the result of the vote. I work in international and environmental development with a particular focus on the sahel, what we're finding is funding from european sources is dropping off with many saying they are putting a complete freeze on anything going to the UK until they know where we will be when we actually leave, this is in turn negatively effecting thousands of the poorest people in the world.
What's missing at the moment is critical analysis of the situation, in some cases we may be doing better and some worse, we shouldn't pick and choose our analysis based on what suits our agenda. Laughing at a negative Brexit article in the indie and then having a pro Brexit article from the Telegraph is ridiculous, those papers have their own agendas so will be publishing what suits them. Our society as a whole is completely lacking in analytical skills and too easily finds propaganda from complementary sources to suit their argument.
What's missing at the moment is critical analysis of the situation, in some cases we may be doing better and some worse, we shouldn't pick and choose our analysis based on what suits our agenda. Laughing at a negative Brexit article in the indie and then having a pro Brexit article from the Telegraph is ridiculous, those papers have their own agendas so will be publishing what suits them. Our society as a whole is completely lacking in analytical skills and too easily finds propaganda from complementary sources to suit their argument.
Not just our society.... All societies with relatively free Internet are being bombarded with propaganda. We are all looking for confirmation of our beliefs or hunches. Only a very few have the time and/or inclunation to wade through everything and make a reasoned decision based on internet or press reports.