Wasps & Council conspire again (9 Viewers)

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chiefdave

chiefdave

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oldfiver said:
20 acres - say net 15/16 acres developable
£1m per acre with pp?
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Bit of quick googling shows your in the right ballpark there which implies at that price its been sold by Severn Trent on the basis of it being green belt and not useable for development.
 
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lapsed_skyblue

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chiefdave said:
Bit of quick googling shows your in the right ballpark there which implies at that price its been sold by Severn Trent on the basis of it being green belt and not useable for development.
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But could the have put a condition on the sale that if planning permission was granted that they would get a share of the valuation jump? It would seem a sensible precaution that would not (yet) show up in the sale price, especially as they had already attempted to get planning permission.
With land development when it comes to planning permission "yes" means "yes" but "no" means not yet or not as the application is currently presented.
 
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lapsed_skyblue

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chiefdave said:
or not until Wasps apply
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But did Wasps put in exactly the same application as STW? Maybe they reduced the overall number of houses, increased the percentage of affordable houses, chucked in a road, school, public toilet...
Councils are under increasing pressure to approve more housing and a minor change might just tip the balance, especially if they think that an appeal to the Government Inspector could well succeed anyway.
 
Nick

Nick

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lapsed_skyblue said:
But did Wasps put in exactly the same application as STW? Maybe they reduced the overall number of houses, the percentage of affordable houses, chucked in a road, school, public toilet...
Councils are under increasing pressure to approve more housing and a minor change might just tip the balance, especially if they think that an appeal to the Government Inspector could well succeed anyway.
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You would have thought the planning officer would have worked with them to get it through if that was the case? You know, like how they advise Wasps?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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lapsed_skyblue said:
But did Wasps put in exactly the same application as STW? Maybe they reduced the overall number of houses, increased the percentage of affordable houses, chucked in a road, school, public toilet...
Councils are under increasing pressure to approve more housing and a minor change might just tip the balance, especially if they think that an appeal to the Government Inspector could well succeed anyway.
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Even things like increasing the amount of social housing can turn it.
 
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The Gentleman

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fernandopartridge said:
Read an article that stated a margin of 7% for a small house-builder and 11.7% for a large one, though read elsewhere that Barratts were looking at 40%. Though once permission is granted you might see Wasps sell the land on to an actual house-builder. I have no idea how much it would cost to build an estate of 240 houses including all the infrastructure work required (no doubt CCC will find something to help this part).
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As I just replied to someone mate, houses can be built cheaply these days. They can go up in just a few weeks, just ask Longboy how quick it takes to lay bricks and the roof structures come practically made, it's astonishing. My uncle has a decorating business and they have a machine where they can blanket paint a 5 bed house in a day ready as a blank canvas for people moving in. The same for skimming too, machines to do that which cuts down on such a lot of time.

I'm sure the council will try to help them. Taking the emotion out of it, as a builder, I am happy the council are helping to get projects like this off the ground. The city needs housing and if it was Joe Bloggs applying to build 240 houses I'm sure it wouldn't get a mention on here. For Wasps it makes good sense and yet another annoyance about our owners inability to even build bridges to sort our future out.
 
Rusty Trombone

Rusty Trombone

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Nick said:
Who owns the surrounding land?
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According to one of the old documents STW do or did.

'The wider area of land around the application site, which is in the ownership of the applicant, would be made available to the City Council as open space and the area of land running along the river corridor would be retained for nature conservation'.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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The Gentleman said:
As I just replied to someone mate, houses can be built cheaply these days. They can go up in just a few weeks, just ask Longboy how quick it takes to lay bricks and the roof structures come practically made, it's astonishing. My uncle has a decorating business and they have a machine where they can blanket paint a 5 bed house in a day ready as a blank canvas for people moving in. The same for skimming too, machines to do that which cuts down on such a lot of time.

I'm sure the council will try to help them. Taking the emotion out of it, as a builder, I am happy the council are helping to get projects like this off the ground. The city needs housing and if it was Joe Bloggs applying to build 240 houses I'm sure it wouldn't get a mention on here. For Wasps it makes good sense and yet another annoyance about our owners inability to even build bridges to sort our future out.
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I agree with you. Despite my absolute opposition to Wasps, they have played the game with the council, and seem to be doing things that meets theirs (and the council's) mutual objectives. SISU's lack of imagination beyond court cases looks amateur in comparison.
 
Captain Dart

Captain Dart

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fernandopartridge said:
I agree with you. Despite my absolute opposition to Wasps, they have played the game with the council, and seem to be doing things that meets theirs (and the council's) mutual objectives. SISU's lack of imagination beyond court cases looks amateur in comparison.
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It doesn't look amateur it is!
 
ccfcway

ccfcway

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fernandopartridge said:
I agree with you. Despite my absolute opposition to Wasps, they have played the game with the council, and seem to be doing things that meets theirs (and the council's) mutual objectives. SISU's lack of imagination beyond court cases looks amateur in comparison.
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don't sisu have the training ground up for sale, helping Rugby council needs for housing and them realising an asset, which is meeting mutual objectives ?
 
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tim07

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chiefdave said:
moved it to the other thread as people were talking about it in there.

Sure its just another coincidence that Wasps who, according to their owner Richardson, aren't interested in property development 'I’m not a property developer, I’ve never developed anything in my life. I’ve never thought of this as something I might make profit from.' are now moving into property development.

Building on green belt land no less that requires CCC to change the city plan. Wonder if they purchased the land at a price reflecting the restrictions in place or a price appropriate to a site being developed for housing?

Seem to recall when we were talking about a stadium within the city boundary many were saying it was impossible if it wasn't in the city plan as that couldn't be changed.

How much more evidence do people need that the council and Wasps are working hand in hand?
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Er...that piece of land WAS included on the city plan

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chiefdave

chiefdave

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tim07 said:
Er...that piece of land WAS included on the city plan
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Are you sure? Can't check the city plan at the moment.
The revelations follow negotiations with Coventry City Council over changing the ‘Local Plan’ blueprint for future development with a view to obtaining planning permission for the entire 240 homes plan, at the part Green Belt site off London Road/Allard Way.
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tim07

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chiefdave said:
H2:9 only covers part of the site Wasps are planning to build on.
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Oh okay. H2:9 refers 200 houses. That seems to have risen to 240 since January. The Plan gets updated, it's hardly set in stone.


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rupert_bear

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Councils all over the country are under orders in reality from central Government to find areas within its boundaries to build housing. About a year ago through my job I drove group of councillors all round the city to various spots at all points of the city. That didn't include Allard Way by the way. Couldn't give a shite now to be honest whether Wasps and CCC are hand in glove or not.
What I would be interested in though is apart from housing is there enough land at Allard Way to double what is there now plus room for housing, which may give the football club room to add what is required to have an all purpose training centre.
I was at the Bristol City Acadamy the weekend a superb set up, it's actually a Sports Acadamy including rugby, hockey, indoor facilities and has a small ground about the size of BPA floodlights, stands etc. where Bristol City ladies FC play, I would guess the whole site was double the Higgs site, would probably stretch from where the Acadamy is now down to the London Road.
The future perhaps ?
 
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skybluejelly

skybluejelly

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rupert_bear said:
Councils all over the country are under orders in reality from central Government to find areas within its boundaries to build housing. About a year ago through my job I drove group of councillors all round the city to various spots at all points of the city. That didn't include Allard Way by the way. Couldn't give a shite now to be honest whether Wasps and CCC are hand in glove or not.
What I would be interested in though is apart from housing is there enough land at Allard Way to double what is there now plus room for housing, which may give the football club room to add what is required to have an all purpose training centre.
I was at the Bristol City Acadamy the weekend a superb set up, it's actually a Sports Acadamy including rugby, hockey, indoor facilities and has a small ground about the size of BPA floodlights, stands etc. where Bristol City ladies FC play, I would guess the whole site was double the Higgs site, would probably stretch from where the Acadamy is now down to the London Road.
The future perhaps ?
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Do you drive a normal or bendy bus.?
 
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tim07

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This looks to be a dried up thread.
Started well enough with Wasps/CCC conspiracy to buy land and then sell it on for a profit, then someone whispered 'Ryton'

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clint van damme

clint van damme

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Otis said:
It's a fair point and is often glossed over on here. I heard a few years back (within the council and within Higgs) that I simply wouldn't believe some of things about Sisu and how they conducted business. The words I heard were 'shocking' and 'unbelievable.'

I do understand a lot of the wrath around at the moment, 'why do this for Wasps but not for Sisu,' but this I do think is a big factor, that of Sisu with the batter people in court mentality and falling out with a number of organisations.

As with everything pretty much, it's not all just black and white.
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I've heard the same thing about the council from several sources.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Otis said:
Yeah, but isn't that throughout history rather than just the last 10 years?
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well I haven't been here for the whole of their history!
But yeah, people I know who run mainly SMEs and one through work which was with somebody from a large commercial property leasing company.
 
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