stupot07
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Of course they do, but part of the contract is they take the financial risks, but we get % commission on what is sold. Well that's whats been posted on here. Or do you think we get 0%?
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Speak to Venus tonight - CWR Phone In (22 Viewers)
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georgehudson
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i was trying to get thru, however, due to the number of fans phoning in, i failed,
i wanted to ask several questions that arose from the phone in,
sustainability, a suitably numb word, to float out,
how do you achieve that when you sell a home grown product at a ludicrously low price ?
callum wilson / james maddison,
harry redknap was quoted as saying 'we (bournemouth) got the boy wilson for pennies'
bbc reported the JM sale as £6m, asked about this c&w dumbed down & didn't reply,
last year when we were flying, (november) 'nick' you said there were no complaints, i beg to differ, i went to many away & all home games & there were always 'sisu out' chants, & the fans meant it !
MV tonight referred, many times to 'the owner', i was under the impression that no-one owned more that 9%, else that/they had to be declared ?
or do we assume that JS has been the owner all along ?
since sisu were here;
Westwood, Schmeical, Christie, Keogh, Turner, Dann, Fox, Crainie, Gunnarsson, Tabb, Henderson, Cork, Best, Wilson, Jiekowitz, L.Clarke, Baker, Norwood, Moussa, McGoldrick, Bigirimana, Van Arnholt, Adebola, Maddison,
just a few & there are others who could have taken CCFC to the promised land,
you can take the person out of coventry,
but you can't take coventry out of the person
i wanted to ask several questions that arose from the phone in,
sustainability, a suitably numb word, to float out,
how do you achieve that when you sell a home grown product at a ludicrously low price ?
callum wilson / james maddison,
harry redknap was quoted as saying 'we (bournemouth) got the boy wilson for pennies'
bbc reported the JM sale as £6m, asked about this c&w dumbed down & didn't reply,
last year when we were flying, (november) 'nick' you said there were no complaints, i beg to differ, i went to many away & all home games & there were always 'sisu out' chants, & the fans meant it !
MV tonight referred, many times to 'the owner', i was under the impression that no-one owned more that 9%, else that/they had to be declared ?
or do we assume that JS has been the owner all along ?
since sisu were here;
Westwood, Schmeical, Christie, Keogh, Turner, Dann, Fox, Crainie, Gunnarsson, Tabb, Henderson, Cork, Best, Wilson, Jiekowitz, L.Clarke, Baker, Norwood, Moussa, McGoldrick, Bigirimana, Van Arnholt, Adebola, Maddison,
just a few & there are others who could have taken CCFC to the promised land,
you can take the person out of coventry,
but you can't take coventry out of the person
letsallsingtogether
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I thimk we get less then if we ran it ourselves.
We need the money but pawn out one of the few ways of making any.
Sorry but seems very strange to me.
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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They keep making losses on running to club perhaps they should franchise that out as well no financial risk then.
Nick
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There must have been a couple then, the one I heard he didn't really have a question and they had to sort of ask him to get to the point.
stupot07
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I'm not so sure. If you do some back of a fag packet maths
Rental £70k
Staffing £70k (probably more than that)
Initial stock £20k
Utilities £2k
= £162k
£40 adult shirt less vat £32.*
£162k ÷ £32 = 5062 adult shirts to break even, that before you've probably paid more than the £20k stock to purchase them, plus you have to replace stock too.
I doubt we are losing significant revenue by franchising it, not with current crowd levels anyway.
Anyone any idea how many items of merchandise are purchased per annum?
*yes I know there is a wider range of merchandise than adults shirts
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letsallsingtogether
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Well please keep on track if you are going to make comments on people why do you think we started debating about how the club would become self sufficient?
Because that was the question Pete from Radford asked.
Yes there was one on who couldn't get his words out but fair play to him for trying.
I had a question I wanted answering but like the majority on here couldn't be arsed to phone up.
They shall stay unanswered.
letsallsingtogether
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So we get a 20% cut of something we should be getting 100% of.I'm not so sure. If you do some back of a fag packet maths
Rental £70k
Staffing £70k (probably more than that)
Initial stock £20k
Utilities £2k
= £162k
£40 adult shirt less vat £32.*
£162k ÷ £32 = 5062 adult shirts to break even, that before you've probably paid more than the £20k stock to purchase them, plus you have to replace stock too.
I doubt we are losing significant revenue by franchising it, not with current crowd levels anyway.
Anyone any idea how many items of merchandise are purchased per annum?
*yes I know there is a wider range of merchandise than adults shirts
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Work that out on your fag packet how much are we losing?
thekidfromstrettoncamp
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The stock in there quite full no shortage well staffed perhaps they know how to run a shop shame we could not and can only take a % wonder if they can run a football club?
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
TBF haven't bothered going up there this season has been poor for a couple of seasons now.
Might give it a bash in a couple of weeks.
One things for sure won't be buying that shitty home shirt.
Then again my lad likes it?
Bruce the Boot
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LOL , I have fookled off , its muppets like you that keep fuelling the situation , by paying them .
Nick
Administrator
Keep on track with what? I posted about it at the time it was on while listening in the car.
Can't remember exactly now as its late, it was either a different Pete or I said for fuck sake before he asked after the stupid loan question.
We have known the business model for months haven't we? Why are people so surprised?
stupot07
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We could only take a % and not 100% of it anyway as it has significanf running costs that need to be paid for before you have usable profit that can be diverted into supporting the team.
I'd say the current set up controls stock far better and although the shop looks pretty well stocked they seem to rub out quicker and as they don't over order stock you dont see massively discounted items in the summer like we did when ccfc did it.
I'm not even saying I think its a good thing, just that I can understand why, if the shop had high costs and low profits, the club would do this.
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clint van damme
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I really like the idea of fan ownership.
In all likelihood it will never happen, and I can see the many potential problems and pitfalls, but I think the fans having some sort of say in the future of the club would be a great thing after everything we've been through.
Yes, we would still have to be self sufficient, we would have to still sell our best players, but we've always done that, long before sisu came, including my first Sky Blue hero Ian Wallace, but for me it would be acceptable if it meant having people who care about the club and who had a vision at the helm.
However, I don't buy this theory that wasps and CCC are suddenly going to bend over backwards to form partnerships with the club after sisu have gone.
wasps have their own interests to look after, and as much as I don't like them and wish they weren't here I can understand that.
CCC only look out for the interests of CCC, they don't care about the people they were elected to serve or the Citys institutions.
So IMHO, the day sisu go won't be a bright new dawn, it will just mean we have cleared the first and biggest hurdle to a bright new dawn but there will still be many left ahead of us.
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In any serious attempt to buy CCFC the problem of security of tenure would have to be addressed beforehand. We saw what happened with SISU. Their biggest mistake was not negotiating with ACL before buying the club.
No point in buying until you either have a deal with ACL ( owned by Wasps ) or an alternative site to play at.
letsallsingtogether
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So what you are saying is we can't even run a fuckin shop.
Say no more.........
stupot07
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letsallsingtogether
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Ah see you got it now.
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could be worse though better then.
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torchomatic
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The thing is, you would be getting phone calls if we got Man City at home asking for tickets
People on CWR. I have supported City since blah blah and i can't get a ticket...
torchomatic
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248 to be fair....
Grendel
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The club receive the money - is that who refer to as "them"?
Irish Sky Blue
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When Presley's team was flying we had record low attendances as Sisu had moved us to Northampton. That decision alone is a reason why many have left and not come back.
Irish Sky Blue
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I haven't read through all of this thread yet so apologies if someone else has mentioned these points. I was pleased Venus came on and was prepared to take a bit of flak. It does make me wonder however why they are talking now after months of silence. Is it because they are trying to counteract the growing movement against them? Without on field success this season, I think season ticket sales will collapse next year. How will the model of sustainability cope? You can't blame the fans because everyone has the choice to buy into something or not. If they do not buy into the Sisu vision for the club and also what they have seen on the field, they have a right to walk away, many already have.
I was really disappointed that Venus didn't take the opportunity when asked to say that the club would do all in it's power to never move from Coventry again. I realise he can't say it will never be moved. His readiness to answer that, yes, he would move with the club was I thought disturbing. From the quickness of his reply it seems that discussions with Fisher and friends have probably taken place about another move. He didn't seem to realise that if such a thing happened it would surely be the end for CCFC. Can he not see, or perhaps he doesn't want to, that the biggest stumbling block to City staying in Coventry are Sisu and their legal actions?
I was really disappointed that Venus didn't take the opportunity when asked to say that the club would do all in it's power to never move from Coventry again. I realise he can't say it will never be moved. His readiness to answer that, yes, he would move with the club was I thought disturbing. From the quickness of his reply it seems that discussions with Fisher and friends have probably taken place about another move. He didn't seem to realise that if such a thing happened it would surely be the end for CCFC. Can he not see, or perhaps he doesn't want to, that the biggest stumbling block to City staying in Coventry are Sisu and their legal actions?
clint van damme
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I can see your point but I don't really know what else he could say. He's employed to manage the football team, not dictate where they play.
You're right to say the fact that he didn't deny it sounds like it's still on the agenda which is worrying.
Captain Dart
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No one knows what the agenda is.
Statements coming out of the club and SISU frequently change are often contradictory, are never backed up by hard evidence and can sometimes be interpreted in a disturbing manner.
I find the situation wholly unpalatable.
Warwickhunt
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Let me see now! My main income comes from my job with CCFC I have a wife and family a mortgage to pay and bills and I am being told that I have to move with my job or leave? What would I do? I would move with the job and look for another job in the mean time. It's called responsibility a lot of what I don't see with the youngsters of today
Sky Blue Kid
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He's on the board isn't he? Therefore he get's a vote wether to move or stay at Coventry. Or perhaps there's no democracy at SISU/CCFC!
Pete in Portugal
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In terms of ownership, no it isn't going into our club.
clint van damme
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I'd be absolutely amazed if he had any say in that decision, I doubt fisher has any either.
Nick
Administrator
When has it ever then?
Irish Sky Blue
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Could he do the honourable thing and resign on a point of principle? After a life time in football I would doubt he is badly off. I'm 59 by the way but happy to be classed as one of the youngsters of today!
Sky Blue Kid
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Or my main income is with CCFC. I have a wife and family, NO mortgage owing to my being in a football dictated life of which I've been paid wages over the 20 or so years that the average working man would have to work a lifetime to realise. Do I move? or do I say f**k you I'm comfortable for the rest of my life having my own Property Developement Company to fall back on, and not only that I've got a responsibility to my customers(Fans) to think about.
Sky Blue Kid
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Seems Irish Sky Blue beat me to it
stupot07
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Surely it depends on the circumstances. If wasps say sorry we won't do a deal and kick the club out of the Ricoh at the end of next season and we were forced to temporary ground share, thats a lot different to choosing to permanently relocate the club in Wycombe. I imagine any talks thr board have had, is around the first scenario.
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