LGBTQ City Fans (4 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Still just city fans though.

What about if I don't like to identify as a City fan for fear of ridicule?

 

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[Nick]

To use an example, when I was at school and being bullied for being a 'skinny c***' it would break my heart but when I got older and decided I was happy with being skinny and actually found it cool the same words which were meant in the same way no longer affected me


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That's not to do with you reclaiming a word though.

Just because somebody says "no, this word is ours now" it doesn't mean when said it isn't offensive to some people still.

 

[shmmeee]

From why I understand, lesbian is a woman who finds women attractive; gay is a man who finds men attractive and queer relates to people that don't fall into these categories, or don't wish to be identified as such. For example a trans relationship or an individual who doesn't feel like they're adequately categorised by the above terms...e.g. Someone who finds it difficult to identify as a man or a woman...


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Cheers for the explanation, not sure I'm any the wiser. Seems like it's be shorter all round to just say "people with non standard love lives", where do people in the BSDM or swinging lifestyle fit in (whole host of jokes for you there Otis)?

I think there's as many sexual preferences as there are people, I hope the ever lengthening acronyms is a sign we are recognising this.

 

[ajsccfc]

That's not to do with you reclaiming a word though.

Just because somebody says "no, this word is ours now" it doesn't mean when said it isn't offensive to some people still.

A lot less so though. If people get used to largely hearing or using a word in a more positive sense it takes away a lot of the power when someone snarls the same word at them.

 

[covcity4life]

aj nick is a dinosaur.

 

[shmmeee]

aj nick is a dinosaur.

That's his word. You mean non-modern thinker.

 

[Nick]

aj nick is a dinosaur.

Why? Because I can't see how "taking on a word" will stop knobheads from using it?

Just don't see the point in every little thing having to have names, labels etc. I like to keep things simple.

Surely the modern way of thinking is just seeing them as a city fan rather than a gay / lesbian city fan and just a normal person rather than trying to label everything.

 

[covcity4life]

live and let live i say

we all think our way is best but we cant control others. let people make their decisions and be accepting even if dont agree,

love

covcity4life

 

[Nick]

live and let live i say

we all think our way is best but we cant control others. let people make their decisions and be accepting even if dont agree,

love

covcity4life

Nobody has said they are against it, if anything they are the ones saying live and let live.

It isn't like anybody is giving it the "oh no, we dont want a gay club with our team". It is more "why? who cares if people are gay watching us?" which is accepting.

 

[covcity4life]

Nobody has said they are against it, if anything they are the ones saying live and let live.

It isn't like anybody is giving it the "oh no, we dont want a gay club with our team". It is more "why? who cares if people are gay watching us?" which is accepting.

yeah chill. everyone has posted pretty nice comments overall. nice to see

 

[Houchens Head]

I just had to Google what the heck LGBTQ meant. (I'm a bit fick!), and have to say, I care not a jot about anyone's race, sex, gender, or whatever. Pointless thread really.

 

[covcity4life]

I just had to Google what the heck LGBTQ meant. (I'm a bit fick!), and have to say, I care not a jot about anyone's race, sex, gender, or whatever. Pointless thread really.

didnt you post a swastika once?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

didnt you post a swastika once?

tricky to find the correct envelope for that I should imagine.....

 

[Joy Division]

I just had to Google what the heck LGBTQ meant. (I'm a bit fick!), and have to say, I care not a jot about anyone's race, sex, gender, or whatever. Pointless thread really.

Pointless to who, you?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

.....I agree with Nick with regards this "reclaiming the word" malarkey.....

....it appears to me that its more divisive if anything......its okay for certain groups to use the word, but if someone from outside of that group uses it, it is still as offensive & inflammatory as ever.

....with permission Nick, can I test this theory......you big que*r ni**er

 

[Nick]

.....I agree with Nick with regards this "reclaiming the word" malarkey.....

....it appears to me that its more divisive if anything......its okay for certain groups to use the word, but if someone from outside of that group uses it, it is still as offensive & inflammatory as ever.

....with permission Nick, can I test this theory......you big que*r ni**er

The N word did come to mind.

 

[shmmeee]

It's like we can say Cov are shit, but if a Leicester fan says it they can get fucked.

Sort of.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

.....I agree with Nick with regards this "reclaiming the word" malarkey.....

....it appears to me that its more divisive if anything......its okay for certain groups to use the word, but if someone from outside of that group uses it, it is still as offensive & inflammatory as ever.

....with permission Nick, can I test this theory......you big que*r ni**er

However....upon reflection, I suppose if my mate calls me a c**t, its banter, whereas if some random calls me a c**t, he's highly likely to get a rather swift & direct reaction.....

Err....I dunno......I've confused myself now.....

 

[Monners]

B

However....upon reflection, I suppose if my mate calls me a c**t, its banter, whereas if some random calls me a c**t, he's highly likely to get a rather swift & direct reaction.....

Err....I dunno......I've confused myself now.....

You can be a funny c**t sometimes!

 

[Nick]

It's like we can say Cov are shit, but if a Leicester fan says it they can get fucked.

Sort of.

No, it is like time wasting... You can only do it if you are in our club

 

[biggymania]

I think this is a great idea, and some of the reactions & comments on this thread probably show exactly why.

Don't be discouraged KG7 - go for it!

 

[Houchens Head]

didnt you post a swastika once?

Please enlighten me?

 

[Houchens Head]

Pointless to who, you?

Yep.

 

[Paxman II]

Very interesting but I tend to be on the side that segregation doesn't work. The minute you do that you elevate them to be targets in the public sphere?
It's very different to have say an LGBTQ group gathered for specific purpose like a cruise where all passengers are LBGTQ enjoying their own company where they can be themselves without public scrutiny as opposed to being in the spotlight at a public football match. As Nick has said we are all City fans and accepted as such. Gender, ethnicity or whatever has no part to play.
Now if the LBGTQ group was formed to meet before and after games in the same way say a ladies group would meet, that may succeed as an idea but please don't suggest they be segregated as if to suggest they were 'different' in a world that has long accepted gay and lesbian folk as a standard within society.
While an LBGTQ group would not offend me I just think the wish to single yourselves out is crating the problems you may encounter not help them?

 

[SBT]

Very interesting but I tend to be on the side that segregation doesn't work. The minute you do that you elevate them to be targets in the public sphere?
It's very different to have say an LGBTQ group gathered for specific purpose like a cruise where all passengers are LBGTQ enjoying their own company where they can be themselves without public scrutiny as opposed to being in the spotlight at a public football match. As Nick has said we are all City fans and accepted as such. Gender, ethnicity or whatever has no part to play.
Now if the LBGTQ group was formed to meet before and after games in the same way say a ladies group would meet, that may succeed as an idea but please don't suggest they be segregated as if to suggest they were 'different' in a world that has long accepted gay and lesbian folk as a standard within society.
While an LBGTQ group would not offend me I just think the wish to single yourselves out is crating the problems you may encounter not help them?

No-one has suggested segregation, at all. That is, except for the people who are apparently so tolerant of minorities that they loudly and repeatedly disagree with the mere suggestion that they get together to hang out once in a while.

That said, I'm glad you're OK with literally shipping gay people out to sea.

 

[KG7]

Very interesting but I tend to be on the side that segregation doesn't work. The minute you do that you elevate them to be targets in the public sphere?
It's very different to have say an LGBTQ group gathered for specific purpose like a cruise where all passengers are LBGTQ enjoying their own company where they can be themselves without public scrutiny as opposed to being in the spotlight at a public football match. As Nick has said we are all City fans and accepted as such. Gender, ethnicity or whatever has no part to play.
Now if the LBGTQ group was formed to meet before and after games in the same way say a ladies group would meet, that may succeed as an idea but please don't suggest they be segregated as if to suggest they were 'different' in a world that has long accepted gay and lesbian folk as a standard within society.
While an LBGTQ group would not offend me I just think the wish to single yourselves out is crating the problems you may encounter not help them?

Totally agree that segregation doesn't work but this would designed to promote inclusion, as these groups often are...


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[Astute]

Totally agree that segregation doesn't work but this would designed to promote inclusion, as these groups often are...

Considering that you say that you are not from one of these so called 'groups' have you asked anyone if they would be interested in joining?

Most of them just want a normal life. They don't want to promote the way they live their life. Of course you have those that are loud and proud. But it isn't the norm.

I have known a fair few people over the years that could fit into what you are saying. But most wouldn't want it. Most people just want to be seen as they are. Normal. It is other people that don't see them as normal. I have neighbours that are gay. Two of the nicest men you could ever meet. Would do anything to help anyone. All they want is to be seen as normal because they are.

 

[Nick]

Considering that you say that you are not from one of these so called 'groups' have you asked anyone if they would be interested in joining?

Most of them just want a normal life. They don't want to promote the way they live their life. Of course you have those that are loud and proud. But it isn't the norm.

I have known a fair few people over the years that could fit into what you are saying. But most wouldn't want it. Most people just want to be seen as they are. Normal. It is other people that don't see them as normal. I have neighbours that are gay. Two of the nicest men you could ever meet. Would do anything to help anyone. All they want is to be seen as normal because they are.

That's what I have been trying to get at.

 

[KG7]

Considering that you say that you are not from one of these so called 'groups' have you asked anyone if they would be interested in joining?

Most of them just want a normal life. They don't want to promote the way they live their life. Of course you have those that are loud and proud. But it isn't the norm.

I have known a fair few people over the years that could fit into what you are saying. But most wouldn't want it. Most people just want to be seen as they are. Normal. It is other people that don't see them as normal. I have neighbours that are gay. Two of the nicest men you could ever meet. Would do anything to help anyone. All they want is to be seen as normal because they are.

I have asked on here but so far have had no response...




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[richnrg]

.... I don't see why people need to group themselves off.

Is 'grouping yourself off' similar to dogging?

 

[Mcbean]

Look i think we need to add Gingers here as they could be left out

 

[Joy Division]

Yep.

Then why did you even bother to respond to the thread, perhaps some people might find a group like this to be a huge benefit to them or maybe they wont. Its all about you and what you want.

 

[Deleted member 2477]

I would sugest that as you have had no replies from members on here then no one is interested. All this thread has now achieved is to cause arguments around the rights and wrongs of segregation and putting people in little groups to suit peoples agendas.

To be honest its now getting boring and the whole point of the thread has now been answered by the no replies so would sugest its closed

 

[ajsccfc]

You could stop reading it too.

 

[bawtryneal]

What about fat people. Start a fat peoples club. Would be more people in it than not !!!