dancers lance
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I agree, already talk of both of those going for it.
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dancers lance
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In American politics nepotism is strictly not allowed, except for family members.
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Kingokings204
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Well it will be replaced or amended though. But yes expect more of this type of thing I would say
Otis
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What, like let some Muslims in and only build half a wall?
Alternative people can have an abortion and he will try and kiss and grope a few less women?
Grendel
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All politicians do this. To my knowledge he hasn't been called a liar and having a hazy memory of the truth by a high court judge as Clinton has. Check what was happening in 1978 in Arkansas.
The portrayal of him as some Greg Stinson type character is ironic also given clintons manic foreign policy strategy.
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clint van damme
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He's in court for fraud soon so watch this space.
I can't think of a US president that didn't have a manic foreign policy.
oakey
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On Brexit, a relative of mine who lives in Coventry voted Leave and genuinely thought it meant we would be out by the end of this year. Also thought we could just walk away and every trade link would carry on as before but without free movement and without EU laws. I think many probably thought it would be pretty simple because they believed the Leave rhetoric that the EU needs our trade more than we need there's and would be eager to do a deal.
skybluetony176
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That could change next month. Isn't Trump due in court on fraud charges? Wasn't he called a liar in the campaign over the release of his Tax details also when he kept hiding behind the excuse of they're currently being audited so he can't when in actual fact he can release them regardless of whether they're being audited or not?
skybluetony176
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My memory is that he avoided a second Iraq war. That's hardly manic. Manic would be to start a second one based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction destabilizing the whole region for decades after a period of relative piece.
If it takes 3 years it will be worth it's weight in gold for generations as long as we maintain reasonable trade relations. I suggest people have a little walk around a French supermarket to see just how much' British' produce they sell.
They in Europe will all want to continue with their market share in the UK. Even when the bigoted politicians of the EU try and shun us, big European business will push them to make deals !
oakey
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If you haven't seen "You've been trumped" I recommend it to see the real nature of this man. Bullied everyone who stood in his way with no regret or morals at all.
Apparently the sequel has just been released.
The interesting question is whether a man who is monstrous in many ways has a genuine desire to try to fix some problems for the benefit of everyone. Some bad people do good things. Some good people do bad things.
I fear he will get bored when he sees the complexity of politics and delegate to experienced politicians from the Tea party right of the Republican party. That really scares me. Those people are nuts.
Apparently the sequel has just been released.
The interesting question is whether a man who is monstrous in many ways has a genuine desire to try to fix some problems for the benefit of everyone. Some bad people do good things. Some good people do bad things.
I fear he will get bored when he sees the complexity of politics and delegate to experienced politicians from the Tea party right of the Republican party. That really scares me. Those people are nuts.
Sky Blue Pete
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That winds me up. The lies and deceit of the campaign
skybluetony176
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Here's a bit on Trump and the legal battles he's facing next month.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-can-us-president-election-stop-a7410756.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-can-us-president-election-stop-a7410756.html
clint van damme
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his charity is also in trouble, (as was/is the Clintons. These people at the 'top' end of society really do think they can do what they want).
You are going to blame Merkel for the current melt down and the end of liberals? The irresponsible actions started big time with Blair and Bush and the current problems in the ME date from well before that. Millions of refugees are not there because of Merkel.
Sky Blue Pete
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Greed, selfishness and fear are to blame I think. Our world is wonderful as are most people in this world
Gazolba
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Say what you like about Trump (and by the way he never said most of the things being quoted on here), his win was a tremendous victory for democracy because he had the entire US establishment against him, even his own Republican party did not want him. He won because of the will of the people in the States that mattered. I think he'll do a very good job. The US has been going down the toilet for years and change is badly needed.
Gazolba
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It's always the same when the establishment gets a result they don't like. They say the system is flawed and we must change it, or the person is somehow ineligible or unsuitable and should be removed by any means possible. There are riots in the streets. The US is turning into one of those third-world countries where election results are never accepted and always challenged or ignored by the powerful elites. Trump won fair and square and he'll be President for his entire term. If you think Trump is flawed, you need to take a serious look at the Clinton's record.
clint van damme
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Like when Arafat was democratically elected in Palestine?
I have to agree it's nice all round to see the Liberal establishment get a good slap. You see, the very same clique that dictate to us ordinary folk what we should do/accept/like/embrace don't ultimately pay for the side consequences and sheer cost. Their kids go to private schools, they have private healthcare, they run large firms and can exploit cheap labour, they live in salubrious areas away from higher levels of crime. It's the squeezed middle that carries the can for all of it, it's their tax receipts that pay the cost and their lives downgraded by the pressures on services and wages. This mass of economic migration is short term gain for those greedy cretins against long term cut backs and degradation for joe public.
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You're talking Trump, right?
clint van damme
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you enjoying the increase in hate crimes both sides of the pond as well?
clint van damme
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he's the anti establishment choice:banghead:
Clinton won the popular vote, but not the presidency. I wouldn't call it a resounding victory for democracy.
ccfc92
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Out of the two, I preferred it if Trump won, mainly due to that sneaky, corrupt woman running against him. If it was Obama vs Trump, I'd have preferred Obama.
I do love the responses to Brexit and the Election though
"I'm a democratic person and believe in freedom of speech, democracy and free will etc"
Vote goes against Remain and Clinton....
"Appeal, strike, riot, argghhhh" "We didn't vote leave" "We didn't vote Trump" "Argggghhhh"
I do love the responses to Brexit and the Election though
"I'm a democratic person and believe in freedom of speech, democracy and free will etc"
Vote goes against Remain and Clinton....
"Appeal, strike, riot, argghhhh" "We didn't vote leave" "We didn't vote Trump" "Argggghhhh"
Out of the two, I preferred it if Trump won, mainly due to that sneaky, corrupt woman running against him. If it was Obama vs Trump, I'd have preferred Obama.
I do love the responses to Brexit and the Election though
"I'm a democratic person and believe in freedom of speech, democracy and free will etc"
Vote goes against Remain and Clinton....
"Appeal, strike, riot, argghhhh" "We didn't vote leave" "We didn't vote Trump" "Argggghhhh"
May is appealing against the high court decision. Farage is calling people to march to the Supreme Court on the day of the appeal saying that people are angry and things might happen... no one is denying that leave was won by a small minority of the popular vote, and no one is denying that Hillary won the popular vote by a small majority... but Trump won the presidency- which no one is denying. I agree on "Argggghhhh"
ccfc92
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How did the High Court decision come about?
Grendel
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Didn't Obama lose the popular vote? Of course it's democracy. It's separate states voting with seats in each state relating to population in that state.
Actually he didn't I checked - but 5 have. In the the uk it's not uncommon either but it's silly to cry foul all the time when results don't go your way.
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ccfc92
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If Remain won, and Clinton won, I believe there wouldn't be much noise about the small margin of "victory". It would be put to bed, and that's that.
ccfc92
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An additional like to this, see my post Mart replied to.
Grendel
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Also the republicans won both houses so it would be absurd to have Clinton as a lame duck president.