Mk Dons funeral protest (2 Viewers)

[Irish Sky Blue]

Now, while I'll actually be going to that meeting (nice of the trust to rearrange it to a Monday I can do rather than one I can't ) don't you think there should be some mechanism for getting views from more than those who turn up to that?

This message board is as good a place as any for getting further views, surely?

I think it is good to get as many views and ideas as possible. I just took exception to the comment that " no one would listen to my ideas."

 

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[Ian1779]

The protest ideas are from fan feedback. They have been taken from the Trust open meeting from a few weeks ago. Some people seem to forget that any of us who join in with these protests are ordinary fans led by an organisation that is run by ordinary fans. If you want to put your ideas forward come to the Trust open meeting on Monday and put your views forward. They will be respectfully listened to by everyone there and if thought worthwhile and workable will no doubt be taken on board. What do you think we should do to try and get rid of Sisu? ( I am assuming you do want to get rid of Sisu!)

The problem in my opinion is 2 tiered. Firstly the problem of SISU. They either need to put up a viable plan and deliver it, or step aside and let someone else have a go. They haven't demonstrated at all they have the desire or capability to deliver something tangible long term.

The second part is that some of the problems that SISU are encountering currently will be exactly the same for a new owner. No ground, no assets, nothing of any value. Do we really want a new owner to come in and throw money around and then one day pull the plug because they're fed up of wasting money. We will back here again.

The model has to change. SISU leaving is what realistically we all want. But banging a drum loudly and repeatedly won't make that happen. If there are people out there that would be serious in taking on the club, then we want them to approach SISU in private and have a realistic chat about how to get a deal done. What we don't want is some piss poor affair through the local media (Dhinsa, Hoffman, Haskell) that has no substance whatsoever.

 

[Ian1779]

Do step forward with your own suggestions as to what would fit the bill. We are all ears....

Fill the ground with CCFC fans... Show the club and Wasps that as a fan group we are a significant number that care. If you want to protest still then everyone can fill the ground and all leave at HT - that would certainly get attention.

Protest as a group at a Wasps game. 1000 CCFC fans in the Ricoh singing the sky blue song for 80 mins will get attention.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well I have to say that's a lot more imaginative and worthy of attention than just brainlessly shouting "SISU out"

Although I do take Ian's point

No it's not. It's a load of "woe is me" self indulgent crap

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Fill the ground with CCFC fans... Show the club and Wasps that as a fan group we are a significant number that care. If you want to protest still then everyone can fill the ground and all leave at HT - that would certainly get attention.

Protest as a group at a Wasps game. 1000 CCFC fans in the Ricoh singing the sky blue song for 80 mins will get attention.

So how do you get us to fill the ground this has talked about?
Also Wasps match has also been talked about but how much noise can 10 people make?

 

[Ian1779]

So how do you get us to fill the ground this has talked about?
Also Wasps match has also been talked about but how much noise can 10 people make?

Perhaps that is the difficult part. The apathy and lack of success makes engagement harder. I just think that maybe a positive approach could be a tactic worth looking at. At the very least the players on the pitch will get something from it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

how

Is this maybe worth thinking about, however?

I do appreciate when a petition stalls at 17k, you might struggle to get commitments but ref: a Wasps entry protest, could we maybe set something up and get people to pledge to attend, and it only runs once/if a certain number pledge?

In fact couldn't you do that for every protest? Not sure protests in the 10s are valid so, say, the MK one, if you only held it if you got, say, 250 to pledge to attend or something?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

The problem in my opinion is 2 tiered. Firstly the problem of SISU. They either need to put up a viable plan and deliver it, or step aside and let someone else have a go. They haven't demonstrated at all they have the desire or capability to deliver something tangible long term.

The second part is that some of the problems that SISU are encountering currently will be exactly the same for a new owner. No ground, no assets, nothing of any value. Do we really want a new owner to come in and throw money around and then one day pull the plug because they're fed up of wasting money. We will back here again.

The model has to change. SISU leaving is what realistically we all want. But banging a drum loudly and repeatedly won't make that happen. If there are people out there that would be serious in taking on the club, then we want them to approach SISU in private and have a realistic chat about how to get a deal done. What we don't want is some piss poor affair through the local media (Dhinsa, Hoffman, Haskell) that has no substance whatsoever.

The thing is that Sisu, through their antics have, have conjured up a situation where no one will have anything to do with them, in fact are probably actively conspiring against them. Surely, when new owners come in that situation will change and all sorts of opportunities will hopefully become possible.
Both your ideas below were raised at the Trust meeting.

 

[oucho]

Fill the ground with CCFC fans... Show the club and Wasps that as a fan group we are a significant number that care. If you want to protest still then everyone can fill the ground and all leave at HT - that would certainly get attention.

Protest as a group at a Wasps game. 1000 CCFC fans in the Ricoh singing the sky blue song for 80 mins will get attention.

"CCFC fans today protested abotu their owners by attending a home game and singing..." - I can't see that one being particularly effective. SISU will more likely see it as an endorsement.

The "let's fill the Ricoh" idea keeps get trotted out but we can't even do that when we're doing well, so there's no chance of doing it when everyone's disaffected. Far easier to push for a complete match boycott....ideally if we get to a phase of the season when we're safe from relegation but mathematically can't get to the play-offs.

 

[Ian1779]

"CCFC fans today protested abotu their owners by attending a home game and singing..." - I can't see that one being particularly effective. SISU will more likely see it as an endorsement.

The "let's fill the Ricoh" idea keeps get trotted out but we can't even do that when we're doing well, so there's no chance of doing it when everyone's disaffected. Far easier to push for a complete match boycott....ideally if we get to a phase of the season when we're safe from relegation but mathematically can't get to the play-offs.

This is where our opinions differ. I don't see the filling of a stadium full of fans as an endorsement of the owners. I do however see it is an opportunity to show that we support our team irrespective of who owns the club. We've established pretty conclusively that SISU are not siphoning off money from the club, so they aren't getting any benefit from it, but the team potentially would in terms of income for wages and also the physical support and motivation of a packed stadium.

 

[Ian1779]

The thing is that Sisu, through their antics have, have conjured up a situation where no one will have anything to do with them, in fact are probably actively conspiring against them. Surely, when new owners come in that situation will change and all sorts of opportunities will hopefully become possible.
Both your ideas below were raised at the Trust meeting.

Maybe.. but some situations are now irretrievable, like the stadium and the academy. If SISU left tomorrow, the new owners have been immediately hamstrung by SISU's incompetence but also the council's duplicity and hypocrisy.

 

[Nick]

Surely having the dig at MK Dons and Wimbledon and stuff is a bit random when people will be going mad for MK Dons away?

The same as how when at Sixfields we proved our point about moving clubs by filling MK Dons away end.

No anonymity from me if I pass it going in

 

[stupot07]

Recently been diagnosed with a rare form of leukaemia, only six known previous cases of what I have in UK. Concentrating on not dying at the moment. Didn't intend to share on here as I don't know any of you, but you're such a prick I couldn't help myself.

Carry on .

I'm really sorry to hear that Torch. Stay strong and stay positive.


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[fernandopartridge]

Very sorry to hear that torchy. Fingers crossed for you.

 

[Otis]

Recently been diagnosed with a rare form of leukaemia, only six known previous cases of what I have in UK. Concentrating on not dying at the moment. Didn't intend to share on here as I don't know any of you.

So sorry to hear that, Torch. Hope you getting the very best treatment available.

Fingers crossed that any treatment you are getting is working for you and we all see you with clean bill of health real soon.

Are you still feeling alright within yourself at the moment? Not that the City would cheer you up anyway, but hoping that while you are under going any care you are not suffering too much.

Try to stay positive. Wishing you the very best of luck.

 

[torchomatic]

So sorry to hear that, Torch. Hope you getting the very best treatment available.

Fingers crossed that any treatment you are getting is working for you and we all see you with clean bill of health real soon.

Are you still feeling alright within yourself at the moment? Not that the City would cheer you up anyway, but hoping that while you are under going any care you are not suffering too much.

Try to stay positive. Wishing you the very best of luck.

Thanks Otis (and others). I'll reply in the Off Topic forum seems more appropriate there. Will leave this to footy.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Most on here are suppose to be men, but act like little fairy's ffs.

On a side note, sorry to here that Torch, you're sky blue like all of us and I hope you pull through it, never give up hope, fight until the game is won.

 

[oucho]

This is where our opinions differ. I don't see the filling of a stadium full of fans as an endorsement of the owners. I do however see it is an opportunity to show that we support our team irrespective of who owns the club. We've established pretty conclusively that SISU are not siphoning off money from the club, so they aren't getting any benefit from it, but the team potentially would in terms of income for wages and also the physical support and motivation of a packed stadium.

But the main issue is that it's not realistic to even half-fill the Ricoh when we are playing so poorly. An empty stadium would be much easier.

 

[italiahorse]

Surely having the dig at MK Dons and Wimbledon and stuff is a bit random when people will be going mad for MK Dons away?

The same as how when at Sixfields we proved our point about moving clubs by filling MK Dons away end.

No anonymity from me if I pass it going in

When we moved to Sixfields it seemed the end of our club for us fans.
The easy walk up was now a major away day. It seemed are club was being held for ransom.
MKdons and Wasps moving to another area are not battles I want to fight as I have no bond.

 

[Nick]

Nobody is saying that other people's battles should be fought, just maybe while being outraged about the club moving / franchising etc should maybe have not picked MK Dons as the one to pack out.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Nobody is saying that other people's battles should be fought, just maybe while being outraged about the club moving / franchising etc should maybe have not picked MK Dons as the one to pack out.

Maybe you are right.
Problem is it is an easy ground to get to with the biggest way end.
Don't know why but many fans like to go there and don't really think about the franchise bit.

Funny how when we last played there we out numbered the home fans they now have a home average higher then ours.
Wonder why that is?

 

[ccfc92]

Saw the procession online, looked good just a shame not many were around to see it.

 

[martcov]

Every little helps....... For me, it isn't enough to get SISU out. The structure must change otherwise we stay the same, but with a new owner.

The problem must be kept in the limelight and any protests which get talked about help in that way.

The structure cannot be changed without millions of investment. The longer we are in the limelight, the more chance, if only the very slight chance, we have of our case being noticed by a company or person with the capital and will to take on this mess.

If no-one does anything, apart from moan on here, we are entirely reliant on SISU's efforts to find a solution. I am not sure that they want a short term solution. More like plod on as self sufficient until something comes along or they win the JRs.

 

[chiefdave]

 

[Deleted member 5849]

LOL!

Fair play for dressing the part. No wonder the were checking tickets extra vigilantly

 

[ccfcway]

10/10 for effort.

Still say we should all dress in black for one game and everyone stand up as soon as kick off happens and hold a minutes silience

 

[CJ_covblaze]

10/10 for effort.

Still say we should all dress in black for one game and everyone stand up as soon as kick off happens and hold a minutes silience

I like that idea. Plus it shouldn't be too hard to implement. Ronnie could play a couple of frames in the Centre Circle during most games and would feel right at home.

 

[Hadji10]

Any chance we can fill the coffin with Fisher, Joy or both?

Because of a fucking football team? Get a grip you gimp.

As for this mock funeral, I seen it as I was walking to the ground. Fucking never been so embarrassed in all my life, seriously, I was actually cringing for them. 6 overweight, dorito out your pants eating, cheese spread everywhere virgins of men doing that?

Should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. Get ya selves a Mrs and stop caring so much about fucking football.

 

[martcov]

Because of a fucking football team? Get a grip you gimp.

As for this mock funeral, I seen it as I was walking to the ground. Fucking never been so embarrassed in all my life, seriously, I was actually cringing for them. 6 overweight, dorito out your pants eating, cheese spread everywhere virgins of men doing that?

Should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. Get ya selves a Mrs and stop caring so much about fucking football.

Right about the first point.

As for the protest.... people protesting about a decline in the 'product' they 'consume' - allbeit a sporting team that they follow - is not something to be ashamed of. I don't think their weight should be a reason to criticise them - you could use that to criticise a large percentage of the city following.

Having a mrs could be a good reason for caring for or following football - gives you a reason to get away for a couple of hours with your mates or other fans. ;-)

Think you're on a wind up.....

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Because of a fucking football team? Get a grip you gimp.

As for this mock funeral, I seen it as I was walking to the ground. Fucking never been so embarrassed in all my life, seriously, I was actually cringing for them. 6 overweight, dorito out your pants eating, cheese spread everywhere virgins of men doing that?

Should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. Get ya selves a Mrs and stop caring so much about fucking football.

I say fair play to them. Willing to put money into something that has helped to raised a lot of awareness of our situation.

 

[smouch1975]

Welcome back Hadji

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[Deleted member 5849]

Think you're on a wind up.....

No shit!

 

[Hadji10]

I say fair play to them. Willing to put money into something that has helped to raised a lot of awareness of our situation.

Raised awareness? Like the 1600 other protests we've done which has achieved absolutely fuck all?

Sad acts.

 

[harvey098]

Filling the stadium for a giant protest is unquestionably the best thing to do as the football community see our boycotting as apathy and "deserting our team at its most desperate time" however its just simply not going to happen. Forget the idea, even the Sisu out petition couldn't get 20,000 signatures and a lot of those that signed were other teams' supporters.

We have to do something that either embarrasses Sisu or causes them a financial loss.

 

[Joy Division]

Raised awareness? Like the 1600 other protests we've done which has achieved absolutely fuck all?

Sad acts.

#uokhun?