Investment on the Horizon? (16 Viewers)

torchomatic

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Vincelot requested a move upon seeing the budget and deciding the clubs ambitions didn't match his.

When did he tell you that? Makes a change from TM was told to sell him I guess.
 

Joy Division

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I wonder if this is the same group of people who were very close to taking over this time last season, only for SISU to pull the plug at the last minute when they saw a chance of promotion.
 

martcov

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Vincelot requested a move upon seeing the budget and deciding the clubs ambitions didn't match his.

sounds like the same as Hasselbaink........ and we don't know how many others whose agents also took a similar view, which may explain our awful recruitment in the summer....
 

torchomatic

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sounds like the same as Hasselbaink........ and we don't know how many others whose agents also took a similar view, which may explain our awful recruitment in the summer....

Ah, so it's a fact now then? Some bloke with a "source" says it's true, so there you go.
 

Grendel

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thought you were in the "we've got a top six budget and its all mowbreys fault " camp

Size of budget again matters not a jot.

What does matter to Fisher, however, is his constant argument that revenues beyond match day earnings are vital. It's the central theme for all his arguments.

Therefore he would be at pains to point out the revenue gained through match day receipts is not the main part of the story and the club is hampered by ability to earn elsewhere.

This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.
 

Grendel

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Vincelots career shows he is only interested in clubs that have ambition.
 

st john

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sounds like the same as Hasselbaink........ and we don't know how many others whose agents also took a similar view, which may explain our awful recruitment in the summer....
That doesn't really tally with TMs decision to go for higher level players, he would have known the budget
 

martcov

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That doesn't really tally with TMs decision to go for higher level players, he would have known the budget

Yes, he knew it, but what did the players think if they knew the ambitions of other clubs? I don't know who knew what, but if Vincelot or his agent knew something, then others may have.
 

torchomatic

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Yes, he knew it, but what did the players think if they knew the ambitions of other clubs? I don't know who knew what, but if Vincelot or his agent knew something, then others may have.

He said he offered players contracts which they accepted, one was even in a training kit, then heard that Championship clubs had offered more and off they went. Whether that kind of thing made Vincelot think twice about playing for us, who knows?
 

Calista

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Size of budget again matters not a jot.

What does matter to Fisher, however, is his constant argument that revenues beyond match day earnings are vital. It's the central theme for all his arguments.

Therefore he would be at pains to point out the revenue gained through match day receipts is not the main part of the story and the club is hampered by ability to earn elsewhere.

This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.

So what you are saying is that the money CCFC have available for the playing side is actually higher than Fisher claims. He understates it to boost his case that we have to own a stadium. Is that it?

It’s a genuine question – I’m finding it hard to follow your argument when you keep releasing it in the form of teasing questions :(
 
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Size of budget again matters not a jot.

What does matter to Fisher, however, is his constant argument that revenues beyond match day earnings are vital. It's the central theme for all his arguments.

Therefore he would be at pains to point out the revenue gained through match day receipts is not the main part of the story and the club is hampered by ability to earn elsewhere.

This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.

Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.
 

Captain Dart

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Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.

This years budget was said by Tim Fisher to be between £2M and £3M.
 

Nick

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Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.

Where has the extra 3m gone? They signed 2 loans, 3 freebies and 1 from Lincoln.
 

Grendel

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So what you are saying is that the money CCFC have available for the playing side is actually higher than Fisher claims. He understates it to boost his case that we have to own a stadium. Is that it?

It’s a genuine question – I’m finding it hard to follow your argument when you keep releasing it in the form of teasing questions :(

No I'm not but when you look at the total revenues for most clubs in the league they are actually not very high at all.
 

Grendel

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So last season TM failed because we apparently had a top six budget. Now we have a bottom half of the table budget the budget is irrelevant. Can't make this up. Well actually, apparently you can.

Some people get the point. If it's beyond you then fair enough.
 

skybluetony176

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Some people get the point. If it's beyond you then fair enough.

I get the point. You're full of shit and you don't care what colour shit you're slinging so long as its the right colour shit to suit your given "argument" at a particular given time. You'll happily use the full spectrum on the same point even though they're contradictory colours.
 

skybluetony176

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Mr. Grendel, I haven’t done my homework properly so I don’t know what you mean. Speaking as one of the thickos at the back of the class, it would be great if you could just tell me the answer. And put a gold star in my exercise book. Then we’ll both feel good.

I guess he's not going to get to the point for you either. It's almost as if he never had a point to make in the first place.
 

shmmeee

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I get the point. You're full of shit and you don't care what colour shit you're slinging so long as its the right colour shit to suit your given "argument" at a particular given time. You'll happily use the full spectrum on the same point even though they're contradictory colours.

When will you realise Grendel is the Trump of this board? He just says whatever and when called on it just moves onto the next outrageous thing.

Expecting a reasoned argument from him or consistently of belief is like expecting your toddler to play chess properly.
 

Grendel

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I get the point. You're full of shit and you don't care what colour shit you're slinging so long as its the right colour shit to suit your given "argument" at a particular given time. You'll happily use the full spectrum on the same point even though they're contradictory colours.

At least OSB acknowledged the point on budgets
 

Grendel

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When will you realise Grendel is the Trump of this board? He just says whatever and when called on it just moves onto the next outrageous thing.

Expecting a reasoned argument from him or consistently of belief is like expecting your toddler to play chess properly.

At least you attracted likes from two people who another poster described as the two lunatic fringe members of this forum.

Somewhat ironic wouldn't you say?
 

mrtrench

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This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.

Scunthorpe made a loss of £3,179,015 in 2014/15 and a loss of £2m the year before. I'm going higher.
 

Grendel

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Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.

Highly unlikely

The club has one operating loan of £2 million from what I can see. It would have to have had a cash injection of circa £10 million to get that level of budget.

Furthermore they have signed 5 players only for this season - one ome, from Lincoln for a fee.
 

Grendel

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