Friday phone in (42 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm not sure people realise how much of a win win the city job is, they can't fail.

Certainly helped Mowbray, Pressley, Thorn and Bothroyd's reputations...

 

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[wingy]

Certainly helped Mowbray, Pressley, Thorn and Bothroyd's reputations...

Not sure there were many giving Mowbray a free ride.

 

[torchomatic]

Not sure there were many giving Mowbray a free ride.

I liked TM. If he hadn't've messed up the recruitment he would still be here.

 

[Brylowes]

Unfortunately,
and I think it's one of the main reasons SISU have been able to do what
They have too our club for as long as they have.
I think he speaks for quite a few.

 

[Nick]

Unfortunately,
and I think it's one of the main reasons SISU have been able to do what
They have too our club for as long as they have.
I think he speaks for quite a few.

what's allowed them to do what?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not sure there were many giving Mowbray a free ride.

I never get the argument that it's a free ride. If it was, then all our managers would have jumped straight into stellar jobs on leaving us, and gone from strength to strength. Only one who escaped was Robins, and that was because he jumped while his stock was high. Bet both Pressley and Mowbray wished they'd done the same...

We've got a manager now who fits exactly the template for where we are. He's a firefighter who's used to dealing with cray owners, and he pulls it out the bag more often than not. If we crash and burn with him in charge then surely, *surely* we have to accept it's as much the tools the manager's given as the manager himself?

(And someone has to hire the managers, anyway. Devolve responsibility upwards and we stop repeating the same mistakes by heading for a scapegoat. And that applies throughout the club. Ultimately it's the owners who cause the poor recruitment as they put in place the systems to allow that manager to be here in the first place)

 

[shmmeee]

I found TF about cutting the budget if income drops a strange one. I mean what is the lowest the income can be for the club to be able to run week in week out, year in, year out. At what point does the club become unattainable for the owners to hold it?.

If they fail to pay players or staff under contract or fail to fund enough players to play fixtures surely the FL have to step in.
So at the current model TF runs must have a sliding scale which he can move within, but at some point the wriggle room and minimum he has to have kicks in.

For those wanting a change of ownership sadly this base has to be hit before Sisu go, I would of thought the gap to failure on running the football club on the pitch is way closers than the gap to success. It's a viable business as of now, going off what Tim said, TM and staff wages have saved the club a few quid. But now with Slade's in, results and gates have to improve as TF no matter how blasé doesn't want relegation, as that tipping point becomes very much a reality of Sisu throwing in the towel or having to invest.

Let's be honest here, there's clubs that play on a park in front of one man and a dog, it can always get worse.

I'd wager that with no fans at all, they could still put out a team and break even. Probably a team of academy kids and nobodies, but a team nonetheless. Weren't Pompey down to that sort of side at one point and the FA didn't step in?

All it would take is a move to BPA on a dirt cheap rent. Sack everyone, have Tim Fisher pick the team, play a bunch of kids on no more than £500/week, shut the academy, train at the Memorial. I reckon you'd break even on TV money alone.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Maybe they'll stick the youth team out.

What McGinnity had us do for half a season.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Let's be honest here, there's clubs that play on a park in front of one man and a dog, it can always get worse.

I'd wager that with no fans at all, they could still put out a team and break even. Probably a team of academy kids and nobodies, but a team nonetheless. Weren't Pompey down to that sort of side at one point and the FA didn't step in?

All it would take is a move to BPA on a dirt cheap rent. Sack everyone, have Tim Fisher pick the team, play a bunch of kids on no more than £500/week, shut the academy, train at the Memorial. I reckon you'd break even on TV money alone.

Accrington one season had about 200 season ticket holders, and were still able to compete in the division below.

It ain't great for us, but it's pretty obvious our owners are prepared to go that way if needs be.

 

[wingy]

I liked TM. If he hadn't've messed up the recruitment he would still be here.

He made some poor choices but none of us were at the coalface.
Maybe he thought we'd sell 10K St's instead of five.
The recruitment looked like it was stalled on waiting for budget/income to come in.
that's not apportioning blame or deflecting it. Just trying to be open minded about how it got there.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

did they?

Yes they did confirmed by Anderson

 

[torchomatic]

He made some poor choices but none of us were at the coalface.
Maybe he thought we'd sell 10K St's instead of five.
The recruitment looked like it was stalled on waiting for budget/income to come in.
that's not apportioning blame or deflecting it. Just trying to be open minded about how it got there.

It was doubly annoying as he got it so right last season. For the most part anyway.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Same as going where he lives, also a bit close to the bone isn't it?

Confirmed by the ribboners roads in Cheylesmore were ribboned if his road was ribboned it was one of a number. Who were they "targeting" when they ribboned Radford,Wyken,Stoke,Longford,Foleshill,Whitley or the numerous other areas of Coventry?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It was doubly annoying as he got it so right last season. For the most part anyway.

Hmm I dunno. Right in many ways, but some of us (to borrow an Astute phrase ) ended up being proved right that relying on kids, no matter how good they are, would lead to dips in form. And we certainly got that second half of the season.

God, I'd kill for a bit of balance, a mix of kids, journeymen league 1'ers and a couple of grizzled old hags, to lead us to midtable a couple of seasons in a row.

I'm easily pleased(!)

 

[torchomatic]

Hmm I dunno. Right in many ways, but some of us (to borrow an Astute phrase ) ended up being proved right that relying on kids, no matter how good they are, would lead to dips in form. And we certainly got that second half of the season.

God, I'd kill for a bit of balance, a mix of kids, journeymen league 1'ers and a couple of grizzled old hags, to lead us to midtable a couple of seasons in a row.

I'm easily pleased(!)

But he got something right. I don't think anyone this season has been particularly good, although I think Turnbull will get there. I agree there were dips in form but at least we had some good form to cheer.

 

[Chipfat]

They moved back to the Ricoh because it had been sold to Wasps. We only went to Northampton to devalue the arena.

So you think Wasp was the only driver of that move, although i think that aspect played a part it was and is not the only reason the club came running back,, they had too. And the reason SW was pushed forward was because our Tim had made stupid statements like that ship has sailed, no looking back, we are on to building our own stadium....

Another factor that may of played a part in the move, was the inability of them attracting players and keeping players which has been admitted by the club. That is strange in the fact they cared then about that ability then, when now its we are hearing its not about the standard of player its about the budget falling into place with the income.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But he got something right. I don't think anyone this season has been particularly good, although I think Turnbull will get there. I agree there were dips in form but at least we had some good form to cheer.

No, I agree. tbh both Pressley and Mowbray I've felt sorry for. They've had their faults, sure, but I'm as sure as I can be it's the working conditions that meant those faults showed up far more than they would if all was hunky dorey.

Still, we've got a new messiah now

 

[Brylowes]

what's allowed them to do what?

Like I said, he speaks for quite a few!!

 

[wingy]

No, I agree. tbh both Pressley and Mowbray I've felt sorry for. They've had their faults, sure, but I'm as sure as I can be it's the working conditions that meant those faults showed up far more than they would if all was hunky dorey.

Still, we've got a new messiah now

It's always January that seems to f**k us over maybe this one will work in reverse.

 

[Chipfat]

Let's be honest here, there's clubs that play on a park in front of one man and a dog, it can always get worse.

I'd wager that with no fans at all, they could still put out a team and break even. Probably a team of academy kids and nobodies, but a team nonetheless. Weren't Pompey down to that sort of side at one point and the FA didn't step in?

All it would take is a move to BPA on a dirt cheap rent. Sack everyone, have Tim Fisher pick the team, play a bunch of kids on no more than £500/week, shut the academy, train at the Memorial. I reckon you'd break even on TV money alone.

I think the move to BPA with 2000 is TF fantasy safety net, but that will bring even more bad press SISU'S way and Tim fisher will have to keep putting his face on the national platform defending Sisu and the direction they have taken the club. Notice when the man is on he only ever says SISU when he is asked about being paid by them, never does he highlight them other than call them the owners of the club. The guy is a better spinner than Shane Warne, he can tell me over and over again he is cutting the budget to suit but sooner or later the FL will step in before its too late...

 

[AVWskyblue]

Oh and I thought his surname was Ward not chambers.

My surname is Ward rb so what's your point?

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[Astute]

yep, but despite all that, despite the fact that crowds have gone from 20,000 plus down to 7 or 8,000, they're still here and are now achieving their main aim, to make the club at worse break even or perhaps even turn a profit.
That suggests to me that falling revenue matters not one jot to them as long as they can keep cutting and keep out of the red.

In two minds on this.

Yes their main aim is to run us without making a loss. But their aim wasn't to reduce gates and income. They have been trying to bring decent managers in. They could have done this cheaper.

 

[ceetee]

Not true, NOPM will not damage the club while 8K-9K still go, but once you go down to say 4K-5K, the none movable outgoings will be too great to sustain. There will come a point when SISU will have to start funding it and they won't like that.

I suspect that if it comes to the point where they have to fund the club or let it die, they will realise that the game is up, there is no value to be extracted, and they will let it die anyway.

 

[SkyBlueSid]

No, I agree. tbh both Pressley and Mowbray I've felt sorry for. They've had their faults, sure, but I'm as sure as I can be it's the working conditions that meant those faults showed up far more than they would if all was hunky dorey.

Still, we've got a new messiah now

Yep, we've had quite a few messiahs over the last few years.

Unfortunately, every one of them turns out not to be the messiah, but a very naughty boy!

 

[torchomatic]

 

[dongonzalos]

Not true as CCC were talking about potential CCFC ownership in the press after "building bridges".

You think that is why they moved back!!!!

 

[ceetee]

I still think it was prompted by the impending sale to Wasps - possibly a joint bid bt CCFC and ACL to derail it. Am I right in thinking the ACL CEO moved on after Wasps took over?

 

[rondog1973]

Let's be honest here, there's clubs that play on a park in front of one man and a dog, it can always get worse.

I'd wager that with no fans at all, they could still put out a team and break even. Probably a team of academy kids and nobodies, but a team nonetheless. Weren't Pompey down to that sort of side at one point and the FA didn't step in?

All it would take is a move to BPA on a dirt cheap rent. Sack everyone, have Tim Fisher pick the team, play a bunch of kids on no more than £500/week, shut the academy, train at the Memorial. I reckon you'd break even on TV money alone.

By playing a bunch of kids what division do you think we'll be in to obtain said TV money?

 

[martcov]

I think the move to BPA with 2000 is TF fantasy safety net, but that will bring even more bad press SISU'S way and Tim fisher will have to keep putting his face on the national platform defending Sisu and the direction they have taken the club. Notice when the man is on he only ever says SISU when he is asked about being paid by them, never does he highlight them other than call them the owners of the club. The guy is a better spinner than Shane Warne, he can tell me over and over again he is cutting the budget to suit but sooner or later the FL will step in before its too late...

I think TF takes bad publicity with a pinch of salt. Main thing is breakeven. Up until now, cutting costs has had a higher priority than increasing revenue. No sign of that changing.

 

[Gosford Green]

Accrington one season had about 200 season ticket holders, and were still able to compete in the division below.

It ain't great for us, but it's pretty obvious our owners are prepared to go that way if needs be.

I can see the club in 5 years playing at Liberty Way with 300 season ticket holders holding its own mid table in the National league.

 

[georgehudson]

The reason we moved back, was because there would have been a mass resignation (5 persons), of senior personnel @ the club if the Northampton tosh were/was to be continued.
The blackest mark goes against 'you know who' for his part in the catastrophe.

 

[AVWskyblue]

The reason we moved back, was because there would have been a mass resignation (5 persons), of senior personnel @ the club if the Northampton tosh were/was to be continued.
The blackest mark goes against 'you know who' for his part in the catastrophe.

We moved back to chance our arm and we definitely failed miserably

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[SkyBlueZack]

The reason we moved back, was because there would have been a mass resignation (5 persons), of senior personnel @ the club if the Northampton tosh were/was to be continued.
The blackest mark goes against 'you know who' for his part in the catastrophe.

Oh is this in line with the Oggy is going to walk out? The same Oggy that despite SISU still owning the football club and being useless at it, is still here?

Also, 5 senior personnel? We don't have 5 senior personnel? Unless you're suggesting TF was going to walk? Let's think senior personnel. Waggot, Labovitch, Fisher. Were there any others? Would the manager or coaches be considered senior personnel?

Nobody knows the exact reason but don't think it has anything to with mass resignations. We had been there a year and was starting a new season there, nobody resigned then, why would they midway through the season?

I expect the usual retort from you and others.

 

[Astute]

Oh is this in line with the Oggy is going to walk out? The same Oggy that despite SISU still owning the football club and being useless at it, is still here?

Also, 5 senior personnel? We don't have 5 senior personnel? Unless you're suggesting TF was going to walk? Let's think senior personnel. Waggot, Labovitch, Fisher. Were there any others? Would the manager or coaches be considered senior personnel?

Nobody knows the exact reason but don't think it has anything to with mass resignations. We had been there a year and was starting a new season there, nobody resigned then, why would they midway through the season?

I expect the usual retort from you and others.

Anyone with half a braincell that works on reasoning knows why.

We went to Northampton to devalue the arena. They even admitted so in court. Nothing illegal in doing so. They were warned that they were not the only side interested. It seems that they either didn't believe CCC as they refused to negotiate or they couldn't afford/were unwilling to take on the loan secured on it.

So they were left with the choice of staying in Northampton where most of us wouldn't go or move back to the Ricoh.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Regardless of what his views are being confronted by three or four people is hardly fair, is it?

Similar comments are here; everyone one is entitled to their views but not him as he's an idiot. And no, I don't know him and I didn't hear him last night.

You didn't hear him yet you stick up for him.
Funny that you have never stuck up for the likes of Nigel when he is being confronted by 7 or 8 people.
Yet he has had 20 times more abuse then that Wanker.