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[Grendel]

I'm talking about future potential investors in SISU. Not the current investors in the portfolio that includes CCFC. Did you deliberately miss that point?

Again what difference would it make. The high risk investment in the club was a 5 year plan initially which failed. This is common knowledge - it's hardly a trade secret and a few smoke bombs are hardly going to attract any attention.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Make your mind up.

The king of duality strikes again.

 

[Cobbler1983]

You said yourself that the disorder started at 0-0 so I wont give any credence to your statement that a few individuals were trying to get the game abandoned, stupidity yes, but not a thought out endgame of the game being abandoned.
As I have already stated I believe coordinated protest is the best way forward but no I wont brand the fans as morons, these are fans who have been driven to take action by events that you have little understanding of( not a criticism of you by the way)
Who knows? time may suggest that it was these guys that actually fought to save the club, not the silent majority who turned their backs on the brave fans who took risks that others were not prepared to take.

Like I say, what they did had nothing to do with saving the club. The disorder at 0-0 was an original smoke bomb protest(fair enough) then an attempted attack on the ref shortly after the red card.
There was then an announced threat to abandon the game if anyone else invaded the pitch/ threw smoke bombs. About three quarters of an hour passed with no further incident, then as soon as we scored the smoke bombs came out and people ran on the pitch.
I don't know if you were there, but it was obviously an attempt to get a game you were losing abandoned(only by some sections of your support obviously).

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

Idiot really read the ccfc accounts, then you will see nobody takes anything out, ccfc accounts will show you this when published

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I'm an idiot! I'm not wasting my time reading the CCFC accounts. The only way to get them out is to starve them. Or do you think the best way is to buy season tickets and fund their business. Whether you like it or not, this is not our club anymore.

 

[Astute]

Like I say, what they did had nothing to do with saving the club. The disorder at 0-0 was an original smoke bomb protest(fair enough) then an attempted attack on the ref shortly after the red card.
There was then an announced threat to abandon the game if anyone else invaded the pitch/ threw smoke bombs. About three quarters of an hour passed with no further incident, then as soon as we scored the smoke bombs came out and people ran on the pitch.
I don't know if you were there, but it was obviously an attempt to get a game you were losing abandoned(only by some sections of your support obviously).

We have a lot more to worry about than just losing a game. We are used to losing these days.

 

[Nick]

I'm an idiot! I'm not wasting my time reading the CCFC accounts. The only way to get them out is to starve them. Or do you think the best way is to buy season tickets and fund their business. Whether you like it or not, this is not our club anymore.

Surely if you did waste your time listening to things about the accounts you would see if things will starve them (SISU) or not?

 

[Cornwallskyblue]

Are you being serious or just trying to stick up for what you said previously?

You agree that they will sell players whatever. But you say that it will be our fault if they sell players if we don't turn up and all because we hate SISU more than we love CCFC.

If you want to have a go at me for no reason try not to contradict yourself.

You are taking it out of context....what I'm trying to point out is that we the fans are not helping at all. They may well sell players to line their pockets but we will cause them to sell players to fund the club. Its a double edged sword. In my opinion I'd prefer not to ruin the club by causing more problems than we already have......ie fines and points deductions.

I'm not having a go I was using the word 'you' as a generalisation not you in particular.

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[Cavan O'Doherty]

Surely if you did waste your time listening to things about the accounts you would see if things will starve them (SISU) or not?

There's only so much you can cut before making a loss. If people don't buy season tickets they can't break even(I hope). At the end of the day something has to be done

 

[Astute]

You are taking it out of context....what I'm trying to point out is that we the fans are not helping at all. They may well sell players to line their pockets but we will cause them to sell players to fund the club. Its a double edged sword. In my opinion I'd prefer not to ruin the club by causing more problems than we already have......ie fines and points deductions.

I'm not having a go I was using the word 'you' as a generalisation not you in particular.

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No I am not taking it out of context.

Did you agree that players will be sold whatever?

Did you say it will be our fault if players are sold if we don't turn up?

 

[Cornwallskyblue]

No I am not taking it out of context.

Did you agree that players will be sold whatever?

Did you say it will be our fault if players are sold if we don't turn up?

Read it again

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[Deleted member 5849]

Again what difference would it make. The high risk investment in the club was a 5 year plan initially which failed. This is common knowledge - it's hardly a trade secret and a few smoke bombs are hardly going to attract any attention.

I tend to agree.

My own thoughts are as much that any protests are as much for our wider profile, show that we exist, show we're desperate and maybe, just maybe, in some small way stop other clubs having to suffer similar in the future. I don't hold out hope of getting to SISU, but I do hold hope that some day football will recognise it has to be for the fans again.

 

[Astute]

Read it again

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I think that you should.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

It's pretty much dead anyway. Maybe that's the best we can hope for at the moment, for someone to buy us for a £1 before we go out of business.

Not correct. We know that the club is pretty much dead as a football club but it is a solvent company, the debts are internal so we wont go out of business just yet. It's complicated, multi dimensional and we may never get to the bottom of it all.
I would buy the club for £1 and follow the Fisher business model and make myself a tidy sum but the owners are not inclined to sell and there seems to be no buyer with deep pockets on the horizon who is rubbing their hands saying "poor playing assets, no ground, no academy shortly, massive price tag, give me some of that"

 

[Cornwallskyblue]

I think that you should.

Double edged sword!

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[Nick]

There's only so much you can cut before making a loss. If people don't buy season tickets they can't break even(I hope). At the end of the day something has to be done

So you think SISU would just say "here you go CCFC, we love you so much we are going to pay fines for you"?

There is never going to be a 100% boycott, ever.

 

[Hobo]

After the last time the game had to be stopped because of protests apparently it was enough that CRFC didn't want to ground share with us anymore. Maybe after yesterday's events Northampton won't want to ground share with us again.

CRFC never confirmed they wanted to groundshare with us.

 

[Captain Dart]

1, They want to make money not lose it.

2, As an investor myself how could my money end up with SISU without me knowing?

The SISU investor mix was admitted by Joy Seppala in an interview she gave to the Coventry Telegraph in Sept 2013.

Mrs Seppala said she anticipated the stadium would require 40pc equity (cash) with the rest borrowed, and added: “I have got people who are more than happy to fund that. I’m having discussions all the time with investors.” She said investors included wealthy families and financial institutions, including pension funds.

It is pretty clear from that information that the investors are the sort that research their investments carefully and will be tracking performance.
Since performance has been bloody terrible it is unlikely she has a queue of investors wanting to put money in.

 

[skybluetony176]

Again what difference would it make. The high risk investment in the club was a 5 year plan initially which failed. This is common knowledge - it's hardly a trade secret and a few smoke bombs are hardly going to attract any attention.

So do you think that investors who might be interested in investing with SISU because they batter people in court would be interested to know that they in fact don't batter people in court, spectacularly?

Keeping our plight in the limelight highlights what were perceived to be strengths into weaknesses. How has the queen of debt made money for her investors out of q debt ridden football club for instance.

Keeping us in the limelight dispels myths and self proclaimed assumptions about their ability in their industry.

I would say we have more chance of embarrassing them into offloading us than we do of starving them out.

We need all the publicity and bad press we can get for them. Keep highlighting their failure here they clearly don't like it.

 

[Grendel]

So do you think that investors who might be interested in investing with SISU because they batter people in court would be interested to know that they in fact don't batter people in court, spectacularly?

Keeping our plight in the limelight highlights what were perceived to be strengths into weaknesses. How has the queen of debt made money for her investors out of q debt ridden football club for instance.

Keeping us in the limelight dispels myths and self proclaimed assumptions about their ability in their industry.

I would say we have more chance of embarrassing them into offloading us than we do of starving them out.

We need all the publicity and bad press we can get for them. Keep highlighting their failure here they clearly don't like it.

Why do you think they haven't offloaded the club by now? Regardless of the notion they are taking money out of the club it's idiotic to say that even if they are that this would satisfy their investors in this venture.

 

[Astute]

The SISU investor mix was admitted by Joy Seppala in an interview she gave to the Coventry Telegraph in Sept 2013.

It is pretty clear from that information that the investors are the sort that research their investments carefully and will be tracking performance.
Since performance has been bloody terrible it is unlikely she has a queue of investors wanting to put money in.

Yet some on here seem to think that people invest in things that they don't have a clue about.

 

[Cavan O'Doherty]

Not correct. We know that the club is pretty much dead as a football club but it is a solvent company, the debts are internal so we wont go out of business just yet. It's complicated, multi dimensional and we may never get to the bottom of it all.
I would buy the club for £1 and follow the Fisher business model and make myself a tidy sum but the owners are not inclined to sell and there seems to be no buyer with deep pockets on the horizon who is rubbing their hands saying "poor playing assets, no ground, no academy shortly, massive price tag, give me some of that"

Fair enough but I'd rather go down with a fight then sit there and take it.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Like I say, what they did had nothing to do with saving the club. The disorder at 0-0 was an original smoke bomb protest(fair enough) then an attempted attack on the ref shortly after the red card.
There was then an announced threat to abandon the game if anyone else invaded the pitch/ threw smoke bombs. About three quarters of an hour passed with no further incident, then as soon as we scored the smoke bombs came out and people ran on the pitch.
I don't know if you were there, but it was obviously an attempt to get a game you were losing abandoned(only by some sections of your support obviously).

Sadly I wasn't yesterday, 3000 miles away in the desert.
You say obviously but can you tell me, as you were there, was there any violence on the pitch? anybody injured? I suspect we know the answer that to that and it was a few guys who have had enough of the passive protests and let their frustrations boil over with NO harm done to man nor beast.
As I say I wish it hadn't happened but I also wish we had never darkened your doors for a year or heard of our owners but we are where we are and because of that you should IMO try to be more supportive rather than spending time on here trying to dig out our fans. We have enough on here who are doing that and I can understand that just as much as I can get why some feel inclined to take a more strident approach.

 

[Grendel]

Yet some on here seem to think that people invest in things that they don't have a clue about.

What's your pension monies invested in?

 

[Astute]

Why do you think they haven't offloaded the club by now? Regardless of the notion they are taking money out of the club it's idiotic to say that even if they are that this would satisfy their investors in this venture.

As I have said countless times they won't want to crystallise their losses. And nobody will pay them enough for CCFC to get the money back that they wasted.

 

[ajsccfc]

Yes its the absolute piss poor communication that I can't grasp, I can understand incompetence, I can get my head around stupidity but I can't fathom the ignorance and pigheadedness that they consistently show to their customers.
Contempt 24/7 is my biggest gripe with them.

Same here. I can understand somewhat if they were trying and getting it wrong, but they're just not trying. There must have a been a few statements with them vowing to improve communication which were followed up by complete silence. These are intelligent people, they must realise at some point what they're doing.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why do you think they haven't offloaded the club by now? Regardless of the notion they are taking money out of the club it's idiotic to say that even if they are that this would satisfy their investors in this venture.

So you make life difficult for them going forward or at least as difficult as you can. Does highlighting an investment where they didn't batter anyone in court promote their reputation of battering people in court? Does highlighting their failure to restructure debt in an investment that has lead to them not being able to take money out of that investment as a return for their investors confirm that Joy is the queen of debt? No. Of course it doesn't.

Keeping our plight and therefore SISU's failures in the limelight is an unwanted embarrassment to them. We need to show them that there's only one way that embarrassment is going to go away and that's by SISU going away.

 

[Astute]

What's your pension monies invested in?

Nothing to do with me. I have a final salary pension.

 

[pusbccfc]

The thing that keeps being mentioned as the reason for the protests is raising awareness. Is there any football fan that is looking at us and thinking what a fantastically well run club we are?

People are already aware. Football supporters are aware, the authorities are aware, its even been discussed in parliament, there's been plenty of media coverage in the last couple of years. Who else are we trying to make aware?

And when they are aware how will that help us? We all know the mess Blackpool is in for example but other than sympathising with them we aren't doing anything about it, what are we expecting people to do to help us?

People know we have problems, but they don't have any clue how bad the problems are.

 

[ceetee]

but their investors will be seeing their name in the media everytime incidents like yesterday happen. That's bad publicity for sisu. They know there could be a potential investor watching those scenes thinking hold on a minute I'm not sure about this.
They won't like the bad publicity it's bringing.

Their investors may be Arab Sheiks or Money Launderers who reading priority is not the football pages

 

[stupot07]

Their investors may be Arab Sheiks or Money Launderers who reading priority is not the football pages

I can't believe I've just read that...

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[henry the wasp]

9 arrests. No serious disorder, violence or injury.

 

[Captain Dart]

Yet some on here seem to think that people invest in things that they don't have a clue about.

Or they are trying to hoodwink people who are not really up on this sort of thing, a bit like Timmy boy. For instance someone like that might ask you if you know where your pension funds are invested, personally I've little idea though I could find out a few facts if I put my mind to it, but it is the investment managers for the institutions that make decisions not the people who put small sums into their funds that count, their job is not to make poor investment decisions and to get out if they realise their decision was not good.

 

[ceetee]

There's only so much you can cut before making a loss. If people don't buy season tickets they can't break even(I hope). At the end of the day something has to be done

And that something is hardly likely to save CCFC

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yet some on here seem to think that people invest in things that they don't have a clue about.

What they'd have always had a clue about was that it was high risk.

And with high risk comes a high chance of failure.

 

[skybluetony176]

I can't believe I've just read that...

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Why? There's been enough news paper articles over recent years linking both football and hedge funds to money laundering. It's not beyond the realms of possibilities although you would hope that the FL and FA has details of the individual investors in English football teams to ensure that this isn't happening in England.