Nick
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It plays into fishers hands. He will have his material for the next interview.
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Astute
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Pension discussion? It was Grendel hoping that I had a personal pension and didn't know where the money was invested so he could imply that it was in a hedge fund.
Nick
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I don't blame the trust for yesterday, I'm usually quick to jump on but they have made statements in the last week saying don't go on the pitch.
Agree about the other statement, it needs to be made clear that things like fines aren't coming out of joys pocket.
Maybe a little bit of indirect guidance or something, explain how it doesn't help ccfc, it won't hurt sisu.
Astute
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Can I have your ticket please?
Captain Dart
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Perhaps we could discuss which wealthy families have invested their money in SISU funds?
The only one I am aware SISU have any connection with is this one..
The Huntsman Connection
PS a number of wealthy people with connections to the Huntsman familiy are listed at the end of that article.
Grendel
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No it wasn't. All pension monies are invested in various funds and my point was that. I've got a final salary scheme and haven't got a clue where the individual funds are housed - as you also do not.
Astute
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Oh yes I do. We get a yearly statement telling us where the money is invested. And with the latest rules brought out none of it is allowed to be invested in high risk anything. Most of it has to be in minimal risk. As in bonds or similar.
Or don't you have a clue about final salary pensions?
trevelfarandwide
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Don't blame you, mate. In fact, this is getting near the tipping point as a fans community, I feel...we're almost afraid to witness the horror on-field, coupled with knowing what horrors are going on behind the scenes.
This is very nearly the pinnacle of our combined anger, frustration and sorrow, culminated over the last 16 years.
Irish Sky Blue
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I think that some of this is about perceptions. The first two lads who came on it seemed to me to be heading towards the directors box where Tim Fisher would have been sitting . The first of the two certainly seemed to be gesturing and mouthing things in that direction. If he had wanted simply to have a go at your fans, the more vociferous ones were in the area I was in which was adjacent to the away end. A shorter trip for him to make. I didn't see any threats made to any player or match official. As far as I am concerned anything violent would be out and I think most would agree with that. I had departed by the time the later flares were thrown so can't comment on those or other pitch invasions. I would say that from what I saw people were acting with their heart rather than their head. I don't believe that there was any concerted effort to get the game abandoned. I am sure that most would be aware of what happened at Blackpool and that any score when play stopped would be the final result.
The idea of getting in touch with fans of clubs we are visiting I think is a good one. However as you saw with the reaction of some Cobblers fans to our plight before any of the flares went on the pitch, a lot of opposing fans would not care less and would be unlikely to back a joint protest. With the exception of Charlton away and AFC Wimbledon at home I have seen very little evidence of sympathy from fans of other clubs. The other thing is that the authorities would be aware of any joint protest and would probably try to prevent it if they could.
With the exception of a few informed fans like yourself, I think fans of most clubs are still not really aware of what has gone on here. I think as a supporters group we are very much on our own. I would not want to alienate the fans of other teams or spoil their enjoyment of watching their team play. However, what is happening to us is a symptom of the way football as a whole is run. Things need to change so that clubs cannot be run into the ground on the whim of selfish owners like ourselves and Blackpool. Hopefully the more fuss that is made the more likely it is that the Government will become involved in the way that football is governed and made actually start to legislate to stop owners such as ours destroying community assets like football clubs.
hutch1972
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So you won't be going to the Millwall game then ? I'm sure that will produce more disgusting and nauseating actions than what you witnessed yesterday.
As silly as it was , it was a few flares and half a dozen people on the pitch.
Maybe I seem a bit laid back about it all but I can't believe how much is being made over what in essence was a small demonstration.
Grendel
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So where's yours invested in then? That's all I asked. I get statements of fund values and of final earnings at 65, death in service benefits, cash free sums, total fund value and penalty clauses for early settlement but not the specified funds the pension fund invests in. I'm surprised yours goes into the detail so where do they invest out of interest?
What sort of scheme is yours - a 39/50? It's important to know as the company can of course suspend the scheme at any time.
Out of interest what's your schemes approach to dependants?
Which act are you reverting to regarding security of investment? The last legislation was more concerned with fund withdrawal. This may be a route to go actually as dependant recovery is generally pretty poor.
letsallsingtogether
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Well as Grendel works for JLR maybe they brought a shed load of bonds from the Rugby team they sponser
chiefdave
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This is not the first time we've heard this from opposition fans. Would it not be sensible to listen and take things on board?
This goes back to what was said at the Trust meeting. The Trust and JHW have to be kept totally separate. That advice seems to have been ignored.
Its like the whistles, you can't one game be encouraging people to blow whistles and then act all surprised when the next game somebody blows a whistle. If you have a group calling for action then, no matter if they directly called for that action or not, when things take place they have to take a share of the responsibility. And of course we don't know who was behind the protest or who is involved in JHW, except for a couple of people, so how can anyone conclude they weren't involved.
Best way forward is for the Trust and JHW to be totally distanced from each other. The trust should put out a statement condemning the action, preferably without any childish digs in it, and then maintain a professional approach. Leave the protests to JHW.
joemercersaces
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Grendel must have spoken to BBC Midlands News as a few minutes ago they said 9 fans had been arrested after hundreds invaded the pitch. They forgot to mention the fact that it was only by a miracle that a massacre was averted and that several babes in arms narrowly escaped incineration.
Great_Expectations
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This is a really important point that shouldn't be overlooked. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same, especially the older generation or supporters with children.
Make the Ricoh intimidating for the opposition but not our own fans.
Protesting behind a cause is good, but outright thuggish behaviour is pathetic, proves nothing and actually distracts from the point.
skybluetony176
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Well as Grendel works for JLR maybe they brought a shed load of bonds from the Rugby team they sponser
Guaranteed. Why do you think Grendull promotes them so much on here under the guise of slating them? It's obvious isn't it. He needs them to be successful to protect his pension
skybluetony176
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Why? It's not like they're doing anything to help us. What do we have to lose by pissing of the fans of other teams?
Grendel
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Guaranteed. Why do you think Grendull promotes them so much on here under the guise of slating them? It's obvious isn't it. He needs them to be successful to protect his pension
If it was invested in such a Ponsi scheme I may end up having to sell up and live in Rugby.
To be fair I think I'm safe.
cloughie
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that's why this wanker has no credibity in anything he spouts
cloughie
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well it's obvious if they said then do it after all we are all mindless fans
cloughie
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They wouldn't want your type in Rugby, but then who would
skybluetony176
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A ponsi scheme? Is that anything like a ponzi scheme? At this rate you'll probably move to Rugeley thinking that you've moved to Rugby.
Moff
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Collective efforts of protest like the one at Charlton, seem to get a lot more air time and decent press coverage, than fucking off opposition fans and throwing a few flares on the pitch.
letsallsingtogether
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You mean Rugby are safe
letsallsingtogether
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If you can get the opposing fans to join you.
Do you not think we have spoken to them.
We are always getting the word around this is a daily chore believe me they DON'T care, why should they half of our own don't care.
chiefdave
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So why the hell are we having protests to raise awareness then? And if not to raise awareness, which is the usual reason given, what are the aims of the protest. Was anyone from SISU there yesterday, do you think they will even hear about what happens and if they do what difference will it make?
skybluetony176
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I don't know. Did the joint Blackpool Blackburn protest get more than a passing mention? It was very easy for the FL and FA to ignore too as it happened outside the stadium. We're at the stage where we need more direct action that the football authorities can't chose to ignore.
Moff
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Fair enough. I just thought the Charlton protest got some very good press coverage against SISU, but yes I take on board that a lot of clubs fans don't care, but I also thank you for trying to get them on board.
Moff
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I guess the pigs were novel, and that got some good press, but as I appreciate from LAST not all opposition fans give a damn. I suppose like with Charlton, and Blackpool/Blackburn it helps when dealing with another club who have crap owners.
All the faux outrage is a bit tiresome.
I agree, ideally we wouldn't take these sort of things on the road, and can understand NT fans being pissed off.
That said, we have to fight for our club. The alternative is to do nothing, sit on our hands and join in with those who stay at home and try and dress their apathy up as protest. People are angry. This shit matters, and some people will overstep the mark from time to time because they care, perhaps too much.
It hurts, and perhaps yesterday won't achieve anything, but I'd rather that than rolling over and submitting. Maybe a line was crossed yesterday, and we have to be careful, but I'm tired of the suck it and see approach. What has that achieved? Precisely nothing. We're as good as down, and if we fall foul of the authorities between now and the end of the season so what. We may be fined, and that ultimately will come out of the club's finances, but then given that most people have stated they won't be renewing their season ticket next season (including many who have condemned the protest), since when has that bothered us? What does it matter when pretty much everyone agrees we have no future anyway under the current owners.
The last thing I want is in a few years time, when there is no club, to look back and ask if we could have done more. To ask, did we fight hard enough? Did we go down with a fight or a whimper? Desperate times call for desperate measures. But yes, perhaps we have to be a bit cleverer in how we approach these things and repeated pitch invasions may not win friends and influence people. Understandable though? I'd say so.
I agree, ideally we wouldn't take these sort of things on the road, and can understand NT fans being pissed off.
That said, we have to fight for our club. The alternative is to do nothing, sit on our hands and join in with those who stay at home and try and dress their apathy up as protest. People are angry. This shit matters, and some people will overstep the mark from time to time because they care, perhaps too much.
It hurts, and perhaps yesterday won't achieve anything, but I'd rather that than rolling over and submitting. Maybe a line was crossed yesterday, and we have to be careful, but I'm tired of the suck it and see approach. What has that achieved? Precisely nothing. We're as good as down, and if we fall foul of the authorities between now and the end of the season so what. We may be fined, and that ultimately will come out of the club's finances, but then given that most people have stated they won't be renewing their season ticket next season (including many who have condemned the protest), since when has that bothered us? What does it matter when pretty much everyone agrees we have no future anyway under the current owners.
The last thing I want is in a few years time, when there is no club, to look back and ask if we could have done more. To ask, did we fight hard enough? Did we go down with a fight or a whimper? Desperate times call for desperate measures. But yes, perhaps we have to be a bit cleverer in how we approach these things and repeated pitch invasions may not win friends and influence people. Understandable though? I'd say so.
letsallsingtogether
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Your right what difference does it make?
But what does doing nothing do?
So if we just take it all on the state of the club now bottom of the table lose the next 2 games and we are fucked can't even afford to draw.
Fans disappearing in droves supporters turning there backs on attending next season, will Sisu get to hear about that or will they just keep walking around blindfolded and wearing ear defenders?
Will Joy say "where is all the money being spent" when they go to her and say look we need to move back to Sixfields as we have no home, and they want the Rent up front, and we have no one else to sell.
Joy " why did our customers not protest I know I would have for something I hold in high esteem."
You don't see Joy give up on her losing causes So why the fuck should we.
Grendel
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Is credibity a vegetable?
Irish Sky Blue
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It makes a difference because the media hear about it and it raises the issues which the FL the FA and Sisu would not like to be aired. The Government at the moment are taking an interest in football governance. If all CCFC fans sit on their hands and do nothing then the parties mentioned above would be quite pleased. I haven't noticed( but may have missed it) any negative reaction to the Blackpool pitch invasion a couple of years ago. Most things I read and saw seemed to be positive about them. I may have got this wrong and just caught a glimpse on MOTD last night, but did their fans disrupt a cup tie at Blackburn by throwing tennis balls on the pitch? If they did then fair play to them. The issue of who owns football clubs needs to be investigated and sorted out by the authorities so that the issues at so many clubs do not happen in the future, so that all of this hurt and pain that so many feel won't be repeated.
I can take sliding down the leagues, I can take crap football. What I find hard to take is this long slow strangulation of our club by people who don't care.
Once they go then the damage they have caused can start to be repaired and an outbreak of hope can happen. Until they go I hope the protests continue and that our fans make as much metaphorical noise as they can so that the FA FL Sisu and Fisher know we haven't gone away.
cloughie
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you are very close to that, but I'm still waiting for the I-player evidence that you lied about