The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (18 Viewers)

[mrtrench]

My question was what you would do with our criminals?
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[dutchman]

My question was what you would do with our criminals?

Uh? Exactly the same as now. Your question has no relevance to a discussion about immigration.

Also you need to let the refugees in first to be able deport the bad ones.

There are no 'refugees' in Britain, only 'economic migrants'.

 

[martcov]

Uh? Exactly the same as now. Your question has no relevance to a discussion about immigration.



There are no 'refugees' in Britain, only 'economic migrants'.

you wish to ban all refugees- who you insist on calling economic migrants- because some may be murderers or sexual offenders. Some of our population are murderers or sexual offenders. Do you think the solution is to ban ourselves from traveling anywhere in the world, emigrating, or even reentering Britain as some of us are murderers?

That would be as ridiculous as banning refugees because some may be murderers,

 

[Astute]

How do you get that? Old people don't get children, so we don't necessarily have organic growth in the future.

I have 7 kids. I am getting old. My older kids are having their own.

 

[Astute]

The entire last page of this thread!

So you see what you want to see. OK.

 

[Astute]

Which politicians?

How is Le Pen doing for starters?

 

[martcov]

I have 7 kids. I am getting old. My older kids are having their own.

You are in a minority.

 

[Astute]

What has that got to do with Polish, Romanians are Italians?

Read what you have already said as you seem to have forgotten.

 

[martcov]

How is Le Pen doing for starters?

Police investigating and having her immunity lifted....

 

[Astute]

You are in a minority.

None of my family are in the minority.

As you know I say that people coming to this country is not necessarily a bad thing. But not having any control of who, how many and what skills they bring in is definitely a bad thing.

 

[Astute]

Police investigating and having her immunity lifted....

What has that got to do with the question I was asked?

The ill feeling that mass migration has caused through Europe has given racist people a platform. Racist politicians are getting the vote from people who are not racist. They have had enough. But sickboy will tell you that it makes no difference. And that people are just racist. It is bollocks. It is helping scum get votes. But as it doesn't go with the views of the remoaners it supposedly isn't true.

 

[martcov]

None of my family are in the minority.

As you know I say that people coming to this country is not necessarily a bad thing. But not having any control of who, how many and what skills they bring in is definitely a bad thing.

In the EU free movement works both ways. E.g. a lot of UK retirees like to move to warmer climates. I think controlling who and after how long people receive benefits is enough to reduce the flow of EU benefits tourists. We will miss the EU cleaners, shopworkers, farm workers and EU labour in general when we leave the EU.
As for the rest of the world- where it doesn't work both ways - then I am in agreement. But we need labour if we are to grow.... so I doubt if immigration stops when we leave the EU.

 

[Astute]

What has that got to do with Polish, Romanians are Italians?

They are allowed to do it legally whilst our borders are open to anyone in the EU no matter if they want to work or not. Or even whatever their criminal history is. They take up the places for those who need somewhere not just want it.

If I went to live somewhere else I would make sure I had the money to survive. I would make sure that I had somewhere to live. It isn't happening with thousands of people coming here. And before you try and twist the truth many can't find somewhere to live as there are already countless homeless as we have a severe housing shortage. Yet some try to say that we should still keep our borders open and make the situation worse.

 

[Astute]

In the EU free movement works both ways. E.g. a lot of UK retirees like to move to warmer climates. I think controlling who and after how long people receive benefits is enough to reduce the flow of EU benefits tourists. We will miss the EU cleaners, shopworkers, farm workers and EU labour in general when we leave the EU.
As for the rest of the world- where it doesn't work both ways - then I am in agreement. But we need labour if we are to grow.... so I doubt if immigration stops when we leave the EU.

The EU won't allow us to control benefits to newcomers.

And before you try to say that it isn't true Cameron said before the vote that they were in talks with the EU on changing it. But the comment came straight back that he was lying. But benefits are the least of our problems.

So you say that our older people who move to the EU with their own money is the same as benefit tourists? How did you work that out?

 

[martcov]

What has that got to do with the question I was asked?

The ill feeling that mass migration has caused through Europe has given racist people a platform. Racist politicians are getting the vote from people who are not racist. They have had enough. But sickboy will tell you that it makes no difference. And that people are just racist. It is bollocks. It is helping scum get votes. But as it doesn't go with the views of the remoaners it supposedly isn't true.

My view is that people like Le Pen, Farage, Wilders and Petry and co. live from division and blaming the EU for immigration is their main theme - the rest is just flannel.

The ill feeling has been built up by these people for their own ends. Fear, jealousy and inbred suspicion of outsiders has been constantly used by these scum in an attempt to gain power.

Social media and fake news are fueling the fire.

Either you buy the anti EU, anti immigration propaganda, or you don't.

I don't.

 

[dutchman]

you wish to ban all refugees- who you insist on calling economic migrants- because some may be murderers or sexual offenders.

If it stops just one schoolgirl being kidnapped off the street and gang raped, yes.

 

[martcov]

The EU won't allow us to control benefits to newcomers.

And before you try to say that it isn't true Cameron said before the vote that they were in talks with the EU on changing it. But the comment came straight back that he was lying. But benefits are the least of our problems.

So you say that our older people who move to the EU with their own money is the same as benefit tourists? How did you work that out?

Well Germany want the EU to limit benefits and some on here think Merkel is ruling Europe from Brussels. So it will happen.

You are talking about controlling who has skills etc. to be allowed in.

Older people may have funds, but may live a long time and the funds run out or they require years of medical treatment- at the moment they can move freely without a means test. They are still migrants and may have problems or burocracy after we leave. That is an example of freedoms that we may lose by denying freedoms to others.

 

[Astute]

My view is that people like Le Pen, Farage, Wilders and Petry and co. live from division and blaming the EU for immigration is their main theme - the rest is just flannel.

The ill feeling has been built up by these people for their own ends. Fear, jealousy and inbred suspicion of outsiders has been constantly used by these scum in an attempt to gain power.

Social media and fake news are fueling the fire.

Either you buy the anti EU, anti immigration propaganda, or you don't.

I don't.

You won't.

So open borders like the EU forced on everyone hasn't caused uncontrollable immigration?

Ill feeling of being born here but not being able to have somewhere to live because of overcrowding isn't allowed?

Fake news? Try moving back here and see it for yourself.

 

[martcov]

If it stops just one schoolgirl being kidnapped off the street and gang raped, yes.

There are more than enough rapists here already, but you seem to accept that as a necessary risk. Do you want to restrict British people emigrating as they may be rapists? Or do you have double standards?

In fact with free movement in and out, we may have a net loss of rapists and therefore the girl in the street may be safer statistically.

 

[Astute]

Well Germany want the EU to limit benefits and some on here think Merkel is ruling Europe from Brussels. So it will happen.

You are talking about controlling who has skills etc. to be allowed in.

Older people may have funds, but may live a long time and the funds run out or they require years of medical treatment- at the moment they can move freely without a means test. They are still migrants and may have problems or burocracy after we leave. That is an example of freedoms that we may lose by denying freedoms to others.

So does Germany run the EU or not?

Yes I am saying it would be better to have a better skills mix. We need skilled people and we need unskilled people. And leaving the door open to everyone leaves a skills unbalance.

Our pensioners have to come back when their money runs out. Those who come here and don't have money and don't work get benefits. How is that the same?

 

[martcov]

You won't.

So open borders like the EU forced on everyone hasn't caused uncontrollable immigration?

Ill feeling of being born here but not being able to have somewhere to live because of overcrowding isn't allowed?

Fake news? Try moving back here and see it for yourself.

The cheap council housing of my youth in Cov is no longer available. There are more buy to let properties.

The EU did not change housing policies in the U.K.. Yes, the population is growing, but not all problems are caused by EU immigration. There are other migrants and in Cov large numbers of students. Successive governments have not built enough social housing.

 

[Astute]

There are more than enough rapists here already, but you seem to accept that as a necessary risk. Do you want to restrict British people emigrating as they may be rapists? Or do you have double standards?

In fact with free movement in and out, we may have a net loss of rapists and therefore the girl in the street may be safer statistically.

So our much lower amount of pensioners leaving here could have more rapists between them than all those people coming to live here?

Please remind me to keep my kids away from pensioners and point them in the direction of the gangs hanging around in most cities these days.

 

[Liquid Gold]

If it stops just one schoolgirl being kidnapped off the street and gang raped, yes.

Equating refugees to the gang raping of school girls is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.

None of you who are happy for us to take our fare share while also reducing immigration via a points system want to condemn this?

 

[martcov]

So does Germany run the EU or not?

Yes I am saying it would be better to have a better skills mix. We need skilled people and we need unskilled people. And leaving the door open to everyone leaves a skills unbalance.

Our pensioners have to come back when their money runs out. Those who come here and don't have money and don't work get benefits. How is that the same?

I never said it was the same - financially. Just in free movement. I said you shouldn't get benefits for a certain length of time and/or residency. Which is what Merkel's government says - and what Cameron wanted. If Britain was still taking part, we would get it sooner rather than later.

 

[Astute]

The cheap council housing of my youth in Cov is no longer available. There are more buy to let properties.

The EU did not change housing policies in the U.K.. Yes, the population is growing, but not all problems are caused by EU immigration. There are other migrants and in Cov large numbers of students. Successive governments have not built enough social housing.

The same old excuse is about to come out yet again I see.

These houses are lived in. There would still be a massive housing shortage if the Tories hadn't sold off the housing stock. The main difference is people have to rent off private landlords instead of councils. The houses never got demolished so stop using it as an excuse.

 

[Astute]

I never said it was the same - financially. Just in free movement. I said you shouldn't get benefits for a certain length of time and/or residency. Which is what Merkel's government says - and what Cameron wanted. If Britain was still taking part, we would get it sooner rather than later.

But the EU refuse to talk about it as you well know.

 

[martcov]

So our much lower amount of pensioners leaving here could have more rapists between them than all those people coming to live here?

Please remind me to keep my kids away from pensioners and point them in the direction of the gangs hanging around in most cities these days.

You say that pensioners are rapists not me. I have pensioners as an example of free movement- not the only people moving around in the EU.

 

[Grendel]

Equating refugees to the gang raping of school girls is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.

None of you who are happy for us to take our fare share while also reducing immigration via a points system want to condemn this?

I condemn it - its an obscene thing to say

 

[dutchman]

Equating refugees to the gang raping of school girls is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.

As opposed to these blokes you mean?

Two jailed for sex offences against teenage girls in Coventry

 

[Sick Boy]

They are allowed to do it legally whilst our borders are open to anyone in the EU no matter if they want to work or not. Or even whatever their criminal history is. They take up the places for those who need somewhere not just want it.

If I went to live somewhere else I would make sure I had the money to survive. I would make sure that I had somewhere to live. It isn't happening with thousands of people coming here. And before you try and twist the truth many can't find somewhere to live as there are already countless homeless as we have a severe housing shortage. Yet some try to say that we should still keep our borders open and make the situation worse.

Under EU law you have 3 months to find a job...the shambolic UK has no register of people from outside the EU and in the EU....most other EU countries do.

 

[Sick Boy]

How is Le Pen doing for starters?

Ahahaha...crikey...you're getting desperate.

 

[dutchman]

The cheap council housing of my youth in Cov is no longer available. There are more buy to let properties.

The EU did not change housing policies in the U.K.. Yes, the population is growing, but not all problems are caused by EU immigration. There are other migrants and in Cov large numbers of students. Successive governments have not built enough social housing.

And your solution to the shortage of social housing is to give the limited number of homes which are available to newly arrived families from overseas?

 

[Sick Boy]

2% of the country is build upon...blame the government. There are some Tories' wet dreams on here.

I'm more concerned about British buy to let landlords and the super rich from the likes of Russia and the Middle East snapping up property in London pricing out locals than ordinary people coming here to work and pay taxes.

Fake news blah blah.

 

[martcov]

The same old excuse is about to come out yet again I see.

These houses are lived in. There would still be a massive housing shortage if the Tories hadn't sold off the housing stock. The main difference is people have to rent off private landlords instead of councils. The houses never got demolished so stop using it as an excuse.

Not enough new ones were built. That is part of the problem.

 

[martcov]

And your solution to the shortage of social housing is to give the limited number of homes which are available to newly arrived families from overseas?

No. Build more social housing.