dutchman
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Because the pro-EU government wouldn't have allowed it if they thought otherwise.
Provided they actually live here and legally qualify, yes.
Like they did in Ireland you mean?
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Because the pro-EU government wouldn't have allowed it if they thought otherwise.
Provided they actually live here and legally qualify, yes.
Like they did in Ireland you mean?
shmmeee
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Tinfoil is slipping my man.
Kingokings204
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They are trying to frustrate and delay the process though and that's wrong.
Not a convincing mandate? Anyone would think we haven't just had the largest election turnout ever. Biggest democratic process ever in the U.K. and you call it not a mandate. I give up.
Kingokings204
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Remoaners is a term only for a bit of fun. Is fun allowed in politics anymore. Calm down it was just a bit of jest.
Ok so remainers are in my opinion struggling to accept the result. So much so they want to over turn a democratic decision. The lords certainly do.
Sick Boy
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It has nothing to do with politics and is a term that has been invented by the vile rags such as the Mail and the Express.
So you should. You cannot distinguish between a 4% majority and a high turnout. The fact that, despite the high turnout, leave could only reach a 4% majority shows that the result is far from being convincing. A win, but not be a decent margin.
They are trying to frustrate and delay the process though and that's wrong
No, they are trying to ensure that the law of the land is followed. It is democracy, get over it.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I'd say the fact this thread is about to get to 100 pages suggests there might be a problem with people accepting the result.
The same attitudes towards the result are not disimilair to the ones that pushed a lot of people to turn against the remain campaign.
The same attitudes towards the result are not disimilair to the ones that pushed a lot of people to turn against the remain campaign.
In other words the result was far from convincing.
Sick Boy
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It's how democracy works.
Liquid Gold
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I wish people would give up deeply held personal beliefs so easily too. It's an indication of how much the EU means to people that this thread is at 100 pages and people are trying to prevent or delay it. European before British.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The EU meaning a lot to people is not an excuse for half the stuff this thread has contained, be it derogatory comments or ganging up on others.
It's effectively 100 pages of people that mostly don't comment on the football getting upset because they didn't get their own way. 'The democracy' argument is just a smokescreen and once article 50 is triggered, I imagine they'll be another showpiece to take its place.
It was a close referendum, but if you lose one nil, you lose one nil. You don't circle the referee for the next 9 months asking for a rematch because maybe the team you put out wasn't as good as you thought, or the tactics you deployed were wrong.
It's effectively 100 pages of people that mostly don't comment on the football getting upset because they didn't get their own way. 'The democracy' argument is just a smokescreen and once article 50 is triggered, I imagine they'll be another showpiece to take its place.
It was a close referendum, but if you lose one nil, you lose one nil. You don't circle the referee for the next 9 months asking for a rematch because maybe the team you put out wasn't as good as you thought, or the tactics you deployed were wrong.
Grendel
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Regarding your opinion that a two thirds majority is required for a referendum should that apply to Scotland and the independence vote ?
Kingokings204
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So you admit leave won. That's a good start now instead of blaming a leave win on we all "bought it" maybe accept a lot voted based upon their own beliefs that the Eu doesn't work for Britain or them. It's called democracy and what happens is there is a vote when you chose one of two ways and then you have a count up. One side will win and one will lose. That simple.
I know you're not happy with the result Martcov and that's fine I get that bit but by not accepting the result and blaming it on everything you can find to suit your agenda when that won't change the result is just sour grapes to me. Be unhappy with the result by all means but be a democrat and accept the result also.
As for the lords if you really think they are trying to ensure the law of the land is followed then sadly some can't be helped. It's a clear attempt to delay frustrate and even over turn the result. Ironically of all by a group of unelected old men mainly who ride a gravy train. Maybe we should have a refendum on the House of Lords?
If you lose 1:0, then there is always next season. You are not out forevermore - hopefully.
One team's fans will be happy with 1:0, the others will not. They won't be asked to now support the other team though.
I have accepted the result. I think it is the wrong result and will continue to criticize it.
It was a narrow result and there are many people like myself who think it was the wrong outcome.
Time will tell who is right.
The Lords has not overturned Brexit. The Lords reviews all acts- that's why it's there. It makes amendments and passes it back to the commons.
Normal procedure. I understand you don't like it, but that is democracy.
If you want to mention gravy train..... how many times did Farage turn up for the Fisheries Commission? How much did he get paid for being on the commission? How much EU money did UKIP funnel off for their own campaign via Farage's mistress ( sorry, the tasty French waitress that he is helping out with accommodation)?
Not now. We have set a precedent on this subject. That is the danger of referenda.
We have set the ball rolling with the use of referenda - in Scotland and for the EU.
Northern Ireland will probably always be first past the post because it is not really about politics, it is about ethnicity and history. It will always be divisive because of the population make up.
England and Wales pulling out of the EU whilst NI voted to stay in will not help the peace process.
Basically, it was a weird and selfish decision to hold a non-binding advisory referendum on a first past the post system just to shut up the opposition in your own party.
It should have been binding or not at all and preferably with some sort of percentage ruling to avoid a small percentage on the day deciding it.
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Yes classic gravy training. She also said that French mistresses are the best - according to some tabloid.
Captain Dart
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They have many ways...
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tbh was / am always concerned about a small majority there, too.
Terry Gibson's perm
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They should shut the door on this group of old jokers, just a load who can't get off the gravy train, any that are found asleep in there should be picked up and thrown in the river.
Kingokings204
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I see a few who havent accepted even on here the result. You don't see that? That's called denial. I also didn't see mass marches/ protests in London before the refendum just because we weren't given a referendum for many years. No Tory led protests through London with 250k people about having a referendum. Hey ho I guess some deal with it better than others.
Kingokings204
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Normal procedure for a Bunch of old men not elected to frustrate and criticize the biggest election result in history. They are not fit for purpose but carry on defending them.
We had a referendum where 34 million people took part in the biggest democratic exercise ever taken and leave won. Normal procedure, I know you don't like it but that's democracy.
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Sick Boy
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You still don't appear to understand how democracy works. It's highly possible then when it all goes horribly wrong the UK will attempt to rejoin one and quite possibly adopt the Euro. What a fine day that would be, we could hopefully look to start speaking French again.
SkyblueBazza
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So are you saying that many of those bleating about the result are those that couldn't be arsed to register despite all the media attention, campaigns in colleges & universities etc?
I don't think they were too bothered really, or the attitude of everyone else is responsible/owes me has caught up with them pretty quick in life - but caught up they were.
Like would all those people that voted Labour in have any chance of changing the decision to go to war in Iraq? Not until the next regular election...but referendums are not regular.
So we simply have to either have a major constitutional overhaul - or suck it up!
...onwards & upwards PUSB
SkyblueBazza
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But how many didn't vote because they listened to the media & thought it was unthinkable the vote would be to leave?
Could be a massive majority of Brexit supporters were none voters because of that just as easily as the assumed other way around.
We voted as a nation to leave⏺
(That's a big full-stop btw
)...onwards & upwards PUSB
SkyblueBazza
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Sick Boy
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But how many didn't vote because they listened to the media & thought it was unthinkable the vote would be to leave?
Could be a massive majority of Brexit supporters were none voters because of that just as easily as the assumed other way around.
We voted as a nation to leave⏺
(That's a big full-stop btw)
...onwards & upwards PUSB
At least you didn't say 'period'.
Sick Boy
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As far as I am aware, the Open Britain group are campaigning for the rights of EU citizens here and parliament to have a vote at the end of the negotiations. Doesn't sound like trying to overturn the result to me.
We were told that leaving the EU would lead to cheaper good due to trade deals with other countries and more money in people's pockets. Not sure why some are getting anxious about it being overturned?
Liquid Gold
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On the other side of that there have been people in this thread that have been horribly racist. You don't help your argument that leave voters are all criticised for being racist when you don't shut down the racists just because they have the same point of view in this matter.
Kingokings204
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Yeah sure. Fingers crossed for you.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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If you go back about 69 pages you'll see comments from me saying that kind of behaviour is not acceptable.
Nice try trying to deflect my points though. You kind of just proved one of them by using the racist card.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The initial outrcry certainly from my generation (18-35) as I saw it, was that older people ruined the referendum (some even said they shouldn't be allowed to vote in future), and they felt that their fellow age-group-people let them down too, by not turning up to vote.
Smacks of arrogance to assume that would have won them the referendum.
Not saying this covers the entire country as an top notch example, but it was certainly an echo chamber rhetoric I came across many a time.