Can it get any worse? New milestone every week. (1 Viewer)
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Houchens Head
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Just another statistic! 
Brighton Sky Blue
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I'd also wager none of those teams has lost more games by 1 goal this season either
The CableGuy
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Covstu
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but a bloody depressing one!!!Just another statistic!
Grendel
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I'm surprised given thorns reputation for total football.
shmmeee
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I'd also wager none of those teams has lost more games by 1 goal this season either
You'd win that wager. Just checked. We've lost 11 games by one goal this season, more than anyone else in the Football League.
Statto.com is an excellent site for this stuff, any more bets on things we are the crappest on?
As an aside: did anyone else know we hold the record for the longest run in the Championship/D2 without scoring? 11 games in 1919.
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Grendel
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But we play lovely football. Easy on the eye..of the opposition.
shmmeee
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We get it, you don't like Thorn.
Any suggestions for who we'd bring in on the same or less wages who would do any better?
Moff
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Alternatively can you name anyone who would do worse?
Moff
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Wingy I respect what you say, but we just dont know.
I just feel, and I know you and others disagree, that he is not up to the job.
cloughie
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Waiting to hear your answer, not an easy question
BigCsCheesyGrin
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Stats wise we are also the team who have persisted the longest with a formation that doesn't win games...(not official)
Moff
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Cloughie,
I am confused. I posed the question, so why are you waiting for my answer?
If you want my answer though its no one could do worse, as in my opinion (others will disagree) Thorn is crap, and we couldnt be worse than bottom could we?
Oh i've come close to it moff ,thought he would resign when Turner got sold ,and i know he's made mistakes it ,just have all our previous managers ,But he got that effort again today when the team yet again had the bollox kicked out of them by these vandals ,we were undone by a brilliant save and error @ the back from a returning unfit rightback playing out of position,that is four good league performances on the bounce 6 points where it should have been 8-10
ICHAN
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How could getting someone new in be any worse?
At least at this stage of the season there would be that honeymoon period that may just give us some momentum to maybe by a miracle survive, a lot of teams around us lost today so no real harm done luckily just 1 game less to get some points but it has to happen sooner rather than later in my opinion.
However I just can not see it happening as I have said before I think it is part of the sisu plan to leave us as much in the shit as they possible can.
They have no connection to the fans, and so do not care about history or the pride that we have for the club, as these are business people and not CCFC fans, so to them it was/is just an investment that went wrong, and they will just want as much out of the club as they can get.
At least at this stage of the season there would be that honeymoon period that may just give us some momentum to maybe by a miracle survive, a lot of teams around us lost today so no real harm done luckily just 1 game less to get some points but it has to happen sooner rather than later in my opinion.
However I just can not see it happening as I have said before I think it is part of the sisu plan to leave us as much in the shit as they possible can.
They have no connection to the fans, and so do not care about history or the pride that we have for the club, as these are business people and not CCFC fans, so to them it was/is just an investment that went wrong, and they will just want as much out of the club as they can get.
shmmeee
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shmmeee
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To be fair, not every manager gets a honeymoon period.
Look it's all unprovable opinions here. You say we can't do worse than bottom I say we could be 20 points adrift and losing every game 7-0, while playing awful football.
You have to make the case for a change that would cost a broke club significant cash.
So I'll ask again: who would come here an do a better job on the same or less than Thorn?
Grendel
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Anyone. Name someone who could do worse, the bar is set so low NO-ONE could do worse!
Grendel
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It matters not how many points you are adrift if you are bottom. Turn it the other way would you back Thorn to win promotion from Div 1 next season? If yes give concrete evidence as to why.
Grendel
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In other words know he can't but will carry on defending the indefensible.
shmmeee
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With the current squad I wouldn't back anyone to get us promotion next season. And that's the real point.
Until we get owners willing to improve the squad it doesn't matter who the manager is so we may as well stick with the cheap option who in my opinion is doing as well as anyone else would with the resources available.
shmmeee
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mark82
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Would take any of the first 4 if we could afford them.
skybluehugh
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Willie Eckerslike
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Don't forget that we are the lowest scorers in all four divisions!
Otis
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Let's deal with facts here. We are a poor team under this manager. Any suggestion that no-one could do any better is pure conjecture.
Besides, people keep saying we are not that bad (we're unlucky, haven't been thrashed by anyone, keep losing by the odd goal). Does that not point to us not being that poor?
Answer to that is yes. It has to be yes. Opposition managers are saying we play good football and give them a good game we only lose by the odd goal. We are not getting trounced and are in matches for long periods of the 90 minutes.
We are doing something wrong though away from home in my opinion. 6 goals in 13 games averages out at less than one goal scored every two games, where as at home we have scored 14 goals in 13 games, at an average of just over 1 goal per game.
Don't go to away games so can only look at the stats and the stats say that not only do we not score enough away goals, we also don't create enough chances on our travels.
There is something in the way we set out our stall and tactics away from home as opposed to home that isn't working. In the last 8 away games we have only scored 3 goals. Herein lies the problem. Doesn't matter how pretty the football is, 3 goals in 8 games is only going to result in defeat after defeat after defeat.
We know all the constraints, we know all about the thinness of the squad, we know all about about the kids we have to field, but for all the possession we have we don't create enough chances and that very much points to the tactics. Too slow in our build-up play, not enough moving into space, not enough support to the strikers.
People can bang on all night long that no-one could do any better, but it is all pure guesswork. Thorn plays the game his way and we have no idea whatsoever how any other manager would set out our stall and what tactics he would deploy and whether they would work or not.
Facts say the diamond formation isn't working for us. We keep getting beat. Whether we would get beaten by more goals playing any other way is once again ..... conjecture.
This is isn't about being pro-Thorn or anti Thorn, this is about the facts.
Facts say we don't score enough goals and facts say that we don't score enough goals under this formation. And facts say we don't score nearly enough away from the Ricoh on our travels.
I really for the life of me can't understand how anyone can come out and say no-one could do any better. It is all pure guesswork. New managers bring new ideas and new ways of playing the game and a can also bring in a renewed spirit.
If people wish to back Thorn then that is fine, but no-one has a crystal ball or can say with any authority whatsoever that no-one could do any better.
I am forever reflecting back to the McAllister days, when exactly the same things were being said. Too predictable, too much passing around in pretty little triangles with no end product, players not good enough, team on a downward spiral, not enough goals in the team, bunch of no-hopers.
McAllister went and a certain manager took the team of no-hopers and had us playing in a completely different way. More pace, more direct and we suddenly started scoring goals.
Not trying to compare, just trying to point out we only see what we can see before us and we don't have the vision to see if or how things could be different under anyone else.
Until Thorn goes and someone else comes in none of us have any idea if things could be better or not. And that my friends, is a fact.
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shmmeee
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That's exactly what I'm saying Otis. Noone knows my opinion that he's the best we can accept is just as valid as another saying no one could do worse (except as stated we could be doing a lot worse).
The thing is: why are we losing? Of the 15 games we've lost this season 10 have been lost in the last 30 minutes and 6 or 7 of those in the last 15 minutes.
You will point to fitness no doubt and possibly lay that at the managers door, but it's a more reasonable answer that we have a very small squad and as such are forced to not just play people out of position but leave them on longer (see Juke recently) and rush them back early (see Clarke yesterday) not to mention rely on kids.
What you should judge Thorn on is when we have the team playing how he wants, the first hour of games. During that time we have matched team after team from the top half o the league. We have played attractive football.
That's why I back Thorn.
The thing is: why are we losing? Of the 15 games we've lost this season 10 have been lost in the last 30 minutes and 6 or 7 of those in the last 15 minutes.
You will point to fitness no doubt and possibly lay that at the managers door, but it's a more reasonable answer that we have a very small squad and as such are forced to not just play people out of position but leave them on longer (see Juke recently) and rush them back early (see Clarke yesterday) not to mention rely on kids.
What you should judge Thorn on is when we have the team playing how he wants, the first hour of games. During that time we have matched team after team from the top half o the league. We have played attractive football.
That's why I back Thorn.
Otis
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Fair enough.
I have said many times, I would like someone to come in and help Thorn.
I do think we can do better than we are. Thorn has made a few errors that have cost us and maybe an older wiser head alongside him could make a difference.
At the end of the day no-one knows if anyone can do any better with this squad. We all knew it would be a struggle but don't think any of us predicted being 7 points adrift at the bottom at Christmas. We have underperformed in terms of results even more than any of us believed was possible.
I have said many times, I would like someone to come in and help Thorn.
I do think we can do better than we are. Thorn has made a few errors that have cost us and maybe an older wiser head alongside him could make a difference.
At the end of the day no-one knows if anyone can do any better with this squad. We all knew it would be a struggle but don't think any of us predicted being 7 points adrift at the bottom at Christmas. We have underperformed in terms of results even more than any of us believed was possible.