Three girls (6 Viewers)

[oakey]

please watch this BBC1 at 9pm every night.
I want to smash something. I feel sick to the stomach how poor, white girls were treated like trash.
Lads, look after your daughters, and everyone else's. And your boys.
Don't let bastards like this ever get away with this outrage.

 

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[Nick]

It's an eye opener!

Is that Paul kaye the dad? How's he doing serious stuff!

Shows just how many people knew

 

[Nick]

Imagine telling people about it and being ignored.

The position those parents are in who know what's going on, there would be murders. There wouldn't be anything left of them.

 

[oakey]

So many girls like these, neglected, given attention when they act trashy, treated like shit, used and abused.
We are all guilty when we perceive young girls as slags etc. There are no child sex workers they are all victims of poverty, neglect and abuse.
It goes without saying it happens to boys too.
We should hang our heads in shame that it is endemic in our society.

 

[Nick]

It's even worse so many people know about it and can't do a thing about it

 

[italiahorse]

The social services are shown in a bad light.
They are abused children regardless how streetwise they are.
I'm in shock having just watched it.

 

[Nick]

The social services are shown in a bad light.
They are abused children regardless how streetwise they are.
I'm in shock having just watched it.

Same, calling them prostitutes.

The bit where she said about a carrier bag on their heads I was shocked they said that!

It's like in the news here in that park in foleshill where it seems to be well known.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

It was uncomfortable watching that as a father and as an adult man.

 

[stupot07]

It was a brilliant bit of TV, its horrendous that this really happened. Its an absolute disgrace that thr police and social service grossly let down those children.

The serious case review is here of you want to read it.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...Aem3dKJ7AVvX75FAQ&sig2=d_xAfvPfGdiJucejPszmng

Also just to add, something similar happened here in Coventry not so long ago, so is something everyone needs to be aware of. Serious Case Reviews: Overview Reports | Coventry City Council

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[shmmeee]

It happens a lot. Some of the stories you hear chill you to the bone. And while no underage girl can consent, there's a real problem with (some, a minority of) girls who think it makes them cool, or that their 30 year old boyfriend "loves" them.

We need to stop treating teenagers as adults and letting them run around with no supervision. We need to massively improve care, social workers are massively overworked and underfunded. We need to massively overhaul SRE in schools. We need to look at what we do with troubled kids full stop. None of it works and all that will come out of this is more paperwork for social workers to fill in and more crappy training sessions to attend, just sticking a plaster over a gaping wound.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Mustn't lose sight of the fact that the blokes doing it were the criminals rather than police social services and of course the girls. The whole area of risk management and care is enormously underfunded and lying, manipulating and coercive behaviour are areas where the police and social services are as bad as the criminal on occasion. There are excellent people in both sectors but I've been shocked recently to realise that truth can be so easily forgotten to get what someone wants to be true to be true

 

[covcity4life]

what was it about? grooming gangs? the rochdale one?

sickening. the guys should be locked up. and investigation needs to be done into why some communities can not intergrate and see others as trash whilst communities from same part of world have no problem being british.

also and this will probably offend some i think its ridiculous that parents are not held accountable for the kids that become victims. such shit parenting in this country. you see these girls all time walking around cov, they might not be being groomed but any parent that lets their kids dress like that and speak like a dumbass need looking at. these kids are going nowhere in life, if they aint groomed they will just be parents themselves by age 16 and contribute to broken britain.

just my 2 cents.

 

[Nick]

what was it about? grooming gangs? the rochdale one?

sickening. the guys should be locked up. and investigation needs to be done into why some communities can not intergrate and see others as trash whilst communities from same part of world have no problem being british.

also and this will probably offend some i think its ridiculous that parents are not held accountable for the kids that become victims. such shit parenting in this country. you see these girls all time walking around cov, they might not be being groomed but any parent that lets their kids dress like that and speak like a dumbass need looking at. these kids are going nowhere in life, if they aint groomed they will just be parents themselves by age 16 and contribute to broken britain.

just my 2 cents.

Yep it was about that.

While I understand the parent responsibility bit, it really doesn't warrant what happened to the poor girls by middle aged men. The dad on it (Paul Kaye) was knocking a door trying to get his daughter, I'd have kicked it down and windmilled everybody and anybody who came near me. Not to mention the people who were doing it that would vanish off the face of the earth.

 

[chiefdave]

The dad on it (Paul Kaye) was knocking a door trying to get his daughter, I'd have kicked it down and windmilled everybody and anybody who came near me.

And guess what would have happened then, you'd have been the one locked up.

The most shocking part was when that nurse went in with a huge folder of evidence and police, social services etc all basically shrugged their shoulders and said nothing to do with them.

 

[Nick]

And guess what would have happened then, you'd have been the one locked up.

The most shocking part was when that nurse went in with a huge folder of evidence and police, social services etc all basically shrugged their shoulders and said nothing to do with them.

Exactly, can't imagine how angry you would be with things like that. It was getting me wound up watching it.

The bit where they took them to Bradford and the bloke pulled a shotgun on them. I'd have GPS trackers on the kids for starters to see where they have been and Raid them.

 

[covcity4life]

Yep it was about that.

While I understand the parent responsibility bit, it really doesn't warrant what happened to the poor girls by middle aged men. The dad on it (Paul Kaye) was knocking a door trying to get his daughter, I'd have kicked it down and windmilled everybody and anybody who came near me. Not to mention the people who were doing it that would vanish off the face of the earth.

oh in no way whatsoever does it warrant what happened.

i just think when a young kid can be "plyed" by drinks and drugs then it has alot to do with shit parenting. my sisters never would have let that happen to them,you know whats right and whats wrong from an early age if you have good upbringing.

but blame wise clearly the gang are top of list.

 

[Nick]

oh in no way whatsoever does it warrant what happened.

i just think when a young kid can be "plyed" by drinks and drugs then it has alot to do with shit parenting. my sisters never would have let that happen to them,you know whats right and whats wrong from an early age if you have good upbringing.

but blame wise clearly the gang are top of list.

Well yeah but that's why they prayed on vulnerable kids.

 

[covcity4life]

vulnerable bcause of their parents.

and sad thing is lots more vulnerable in todays generation than there was ours

 

[Nick]

vulnerable bcause of their parents.

and sad thing is lots more vulnerable in todays generation than there was ours

It wasn't only the parents, there was peer pressure and straight up threatening as well.

It's only showed 1 set of parents where their daughter got in with the wrong crowd.

What I don't get is how one of the abusers was banging on a door shouting threats to the girls and is making phone calls threatening them.

 

[covcity4life]

i need to watch the documentry,is it on iplayer?

how police can ignore such a thing is ridiculous and in inquest is required and heads must role

what sort of peer pressure?

 

[Nick]

Yeah it will be on iPlayer and on again tonight.

There was a girl who seemed to be "the boss" who bossed the others about. She was pressuring the other girls etc.

 

[covcity4life]

Yeah it will be on iPlayer and on again tonight.

There was a girl who seemed to be "the boss" who bossed the others about. She was pressuring the other girls etc.

white girl? maybe she got a cut. maybe she felt she was in love with one of the gang.

once again probably not come from a good household.

 

[Nick]

white girl? maybe she got a cut. maybe she felt she was in love with one of the gang.

once again probably not come from a good household.

They all thought they were loved etc.

Not sure why you are trying to push the household so much, there are taxi drivers picking them up from school with a bottle of vodka ready to go and threatening them if they didn't go with them.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So what it seems we want, from opinions on various threads, is a government that will be right-wing in administering justice on the criminals, liberal in policing us all, & left-wing in day to day governing of society & management of the economy??? Mmmmnnn...not going to happen is it?

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[covcity4life]

They all thought they were loved etc.

Not sure why you are trying to push the household so much, there are taxi drivers picking them up from school with a bottle of vodka ready to go and threatening them if they didn't go with them.

iam just curious

whya re they getting into a taxi from school? why are there parents not picking them up?
why are they drinking the vodka?
why after the first time would they not be vigilant enough to make sure never happens again rather than fall in love?

can look at it like its black and white but nothing will change that way, need to look at all factors that caused this to stop it happening again

 

[Nick]

iam just curious

whya re they getting into a taxi from school? why are there parents not picking them up?
why are they drinking the vodka?
why after the first time would they not be vigilant enough to make sure never happens again rather than fall in love?

can look at it like its black and white but nothing will change that way, need to look at all factors that caused this to stop it happening again

Because they are 15 / 16? They are being threatened by the men and are scared?

Going a bit of your way here to push the blame elsewhere. It's strange.

 

[covcity4life]

Because they are 15 / 16? They are being threatened by the men and are scared?

Going a bit of your way here to push the blame elsewhere. It's strange.

i was wondering how long it would take you to break down. you cannot hold a conversation.strange

as you will see from my previous posts i have said blame rests squarely on the rapists. i simply think there is a big issue with how easy it was for them. and i would like more of a spotlight shone on that aswell to stop it happening.

i am indian,not pakistani. not that it matters. but making it clear i am not defending anyone of any colour for disgusting crime like this. just genuinly interested in how something like this can go on for so long without antyhing happening and whilst the social services and police need to be looked into so does british society as a whole.

hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Nick]

i was wondering how long it would take you to break down. you cannot hold a conversation.strange

as you will see from my previous posts i have said blame rests squarely on the rapists. i simply think there is a big issue with how easy it was for them. and i would like more of a spotlight shone on that aswell to stop it happening.

i am indian,not pakistani. not that it matters. but making it clear i am not defending anyone of any colour for disgusting crime like this. just genuinly interested in how something like this can go on for so long without antyhing happening and whilst the social services and police need to be looked into so does british society as a whole.

hope that clears it up for you.

Break down what? The fact that as they put it "tie bags on their heads while 4 men shag them up the arse" is a bit more of a worry than why they are getting into a car with a man who is threatening them.

How it got hidden away for so long does need looking into it, but you mention british society needs looking into but why not the society / culture of the people doing it?

People got away with it because people skirted around the race issue too much. If it was a group of any men doing it to any colour young girls there shouldn't ever be a worry about going after them.

 

[covcity4life]

Break down what? The fact that as they put it "tie bags on their heads while 4 men shag them up the arse" is a bit more of a worry than why they are getting into a car with a man who is threatening them.

How it got hidden away for so long does need looking into it, but you mention british society needs looking into but why not the society / culture of the people doing it?

People got away with it because people skirted around the race issue too much.

once again i say i need to see the documentry,completely unaware of this tie bags thing. this is why i asked you questions.

and yes the race thing is huge, many people beleive it was skirted around by police, this is unnacceptable. my only point is they picked certain girls for a reason. they didnt pick sikh or hindu girls,or private school british girls etc. went after vulnerable and i want to know WHY they were vulnerable.

and in my first post i said it needs to be looked into why some asian communtiies allow this when some are fully intergrated. please read my posts fully before getting it into your head i have taken a side against victims.

this is a serious issue nick and i dont want to argue about it, i need to see the documentry so i know the facts, my questions today are just seeking more information.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Interesting debate here guys, and I'm glad this is being highlighted now.

I've been watching the unfolding of grooming gangs with a close eye for a while now and it's finally getting exposed. Now, it does seem that the whole world is run by child abusers these days (remember the BBC scandal), but there is certainly an issue with muslim grooming gangs in many areas in the UK.

It's going on everywhere, and as Nick says, they have skirted the issue for too long because they were scared to be called racist. The sad thing is, it's a fact this is going on. Every few days there is a court case around the UK with groups of men in the dock.

I almost don't want to say it because it'll trigger a lot of people on here, but at the moment Tommy Robinson is doing a lot of work for Rebel Media, effectively going around the country and exposing these gangs and confronting them outside the courts. Don't shoot the messenger, but just go and watch some of the videos, it's fucking incredible how their girlfriends and family defend them so strongly.

 

[covcity4life]

Interesting debate here guys, and I'm glad this is being highlighted now.

I've been watching the unfolding of grooming gangs with a close eye for a while now and it's finally getting exposed. Now, it does seem that the whole world is run by child abusers these days (remember the BBC scandal), but there is certainly an issue with muslim grooming gangs in many areas in the UK.

It's going on everywhere, and as Nick says, they have skirted the issue for too long because they were scared to be called racist. The sad thing is, it's a fact this is going on. Every few days there is a court case around the UK with groups of men in the dock.

I almost don't want to say it because it'll trigger a lot of people on here, but at the moment Tommy Robinson is doing a lot of work for Rebel Media, effectively going around the country and exposing these gangs and confronting them outside the courts. Don't shoot the messenger, but just go and watch some of the videos, it's fucking incredible how their girlfriends and family defend them so strongly.

tommy robinson is becoming a bit of cult hero amongst sikh community as they see him as exposing bad element of other communties. and he pays lip service to sikh community too.

i still dont trust him though, he is just a very smart nazi . does come accross as likeable in certain videos though i must admit and he will be hitting a nerve with youth of today too.

i want to see these closed off communties stop. its only way to stop grooming gangs and also stop right wing opposition spiralling into far right.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

tommy robinson is becoming a bit of cult hero amongst sikh community as they see him as exposing bad element of other communties. and he pays lip service to sikh community too.

i still dont trust him though, he is just a very smart nazi . does come accross as likeable in certain videos though i must admit and he will be hitting a nerve with youth of today too.

i want to see these closed off communties stop. its only way to stop grooming gangs and also stop right wing opposition spiralling into far right.

Yeah, I've noticed that.

I'm not sure about Nazi, he frequently gets called racist but actually I don't think I've ever heard him say anything that is racist either.

He absolutely hates Islam and that's what he goes on about a lot. I think more people would take him seriously if he hadn't of had a spell in the EDL leading it, but then again maybe no one would of listened to him if he hadn't been involved with that.

You have to be careful, certainly I listen to both sides of the coin on everything before I make an opinion, but sadly in the case of Muslim grooming gangs he is right.

 

[covcity4life]

yeah its a big issue that needs to be rectified ASAP.

 

[oakey]

BBC 1 at 9pm, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday this week.
Each episode focuses on one of the three girls so if you watch them all you may see what parental supervision occurred (and therefore debate how much, "Where were the parents?" Is valid).
FWIW as a parent and a teacher of kids this age I think it is obvious that poor parenting contributes to this kind of vulnerability but so do many other factors, including poverty. How many parents know where their 13,14,15 year olds are, right now? The little beggars fib, evade and cover for each other. Many parents have little clue what their kids are doing online and in person. It takes a village to raise a child. As a society we need to look after our kids better but also everyone else's kids too. Too many people turned a blind eye in this case and it keeps happening.

 

[Nick]

BBC 1 at 9pm, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday this week.
Each episode focuses on one of the three girls so if you watch them all you may see what parental supervision occurred (and therefore debate how much, "Where were the parents?" Is valid.
FWIW as a parent and a teacher of kids this age I think it is obvious that poor parenting contributes to this kind of vulnerability but so do many other factors, including poverty. How many parents know where their 13,14,15 year olds are, right now? The little beggars fib, evade and cover for each other. Many parents have little clue what their kids are doing online and in person. It takes a village to raise a child. As a society we need to look after our kids better but also everyone else's kids too. Too many people turned a blind eye in this case and it keeps happening.

From last night's, what I don't get is why the parents (who seemed quite normal and caring) weren't just locking their daughter up or not letting her out.

She had got pregnant by a grown man from abuse, it's all well and good being upset at the kitchen table but make sure she isn't going out anywhere at all.