Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by oakey, May 16, 2017.
Sounds like a hard watch indeed, think I'll give it a swerve.
It's all unthinkable really. Like some kind of parallel universe for most of us.
It is all too easy to point fingers of blame at social workers, police, parents, teachers or whoever...but at the end of the day - it is OUR society, WE are society. Over the years we have taken away (often for good reason) the powers to nip things in the bud. We can't pick & choose where we can have a liberal attitude & society. Some would argue this scenario is a result of such an attitude. Professionals such as those above have their hands tied by red-tape, lack of funding, poor follow-up infrastructure & lack of support. They often feel passionate about their work & what they ought & want to do - but they have been disenfranchised. They have to provide virtually unquestionable evidence of their need to step in. That is not easy to come by & staffing levels means they go for the easier pickings. Personally, I am very much live & let live as long as nobody else is harmed against their will. These people are guilty of overstepping that line.
We are all appalled by this programme because of the scale of it. Had this not been televised - suffering for the poor kids in isolated cases would still go on!
Hopefully, the authorities will work to address the imbalance & protect kids from having their lives ruined in this, or any other extreme behavioural way.
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It isn't just Bradford or Rochdale either. This sort of thing was rife in Coventry many years ago. There are at least two children's homes, ran by the City Council, that I know of this sort of activity. I can't name the two in question - libel law etc - but when I worked for Social Services (looking after vulnerable adults), it came to light about these two establishments and what was going on right under the noses of the staff. I have to say in the staff's defence, they really knew nothing at the time, but my point is, this isn't something confined to Asians in the North. This was going back to the mid 1980's.
haven't people been sent down from one?
I couldn't watch this without the need to want to smash the telly
I believe there were people sent down from both of the ones I'm thinking of, Nick. Also a third has come to mind. It's unbelievable just what went on in these places. Hopefully, no more.
I think it is like drugs...it has the potential to be EVERYWHERE
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If you have evidence of abuse and don't go to the police you're as bad as the abusers. If you know for a fact about historical abuse it's your duty to report it.
Edit: Ive just woken up and on second reading may have got the wrong end of the stick.
Unfortunately, it is similar to the experience I had with girls I looked after. They were getting abused but the police weren't interested when I reported it as they said that it was consensual and they could do nothing about it. It was frustrating
What I don't get is how things like this are different to say Adam Johnson?
That was consensual, she was under age.
Don't envy your job!
Definitely the wrong end of the stick, shmmeee! The guys in question all received sentencing via the courts.
Did you see the credits at the end of the programme? Cities and towns all over England have Muslim grooming gangs doing the same as what happens in Rochdale. This is not an isolated incident and fact the police didn't originally press charges was due to the perpetrators being Muslim. The system stinks and more is needed in these communities to speak out but they won't
What got me was the treatment of that blonde social worker. Moved off those types of cases and then made redundant.
That was just awful. Certainly looks like there was a cover up. Also heard a snippet on the radio this morning that someone was sent down yesterday over it as well.
Is it not a 3 episode docu-drama. I plan to watch ep1 (which I missed) on iPlayer, I've got the other 2 on record.
These local gangs are largely Muslim.
Facebook rape gang who plied victims with booze and drugs face jail
'Evil' men raped and trafficked teenage girls in Coventry - BBC News
Waqaar Khan, Marcus Woolcock, Kadeem Bourne, Keenan Kelly and Zahid Chaudhary - whose addresses cannot be published - were found guilty of a total of 18 offences.
Ten charged with trafficking teen girls in Coventry 'sex gang' probe
Brothers Gulfraz Banaris, 20, and 25-year-old Ifaraz Banaris, from Deedmore Road, Wood End, and Izthkhab Banaris, 24, from Eld Road, Coventry, are charged with conspiracy to traffic girls across the city for the purposes of sexual exploitation.
Gulfraz Banaris and Izthkhab Banaris are also both accused of rape.
The three appeared before Coventry magistrates yesterday and were remanded in custody to appear at Coventry Crown Court on November 7.
Brothers Isa Iqbal, 21, and 20-year-old Ismail Iqbal – both of no fixed address and cousins of the Banaris brothers – face trafficking charges and have also been remanded in custody to reappear in court in November.
Ricardo Hinkson, 23, of Telfer Road, Radford, Coventry, was remanded to appear in court this morning charged with conspiracy to traffic within the UK for the purposes of sexual exploitation.
Amir Mahmood, 27, a signwriter from Blackwell Road, Foleshill, and milkman Tasveer Hussain, 30, from Canal Road, Foleshill, Coventry, will join Hinkson at Coventry Magistrates Court charged with the same offence.
Mechanic Saleem Hussain, 30, from Beake Avenue, Coventry, and Khezer Hussain, 25, from Bordesley Green East, Stechford, Birmingham, will also face magistrates charged with sexual assault and rape, respectively, this morning.
if under 16 it dont matter if consensual?!!!!
but if over 16 and consensual its not a crime at all?
Personally, I wouldn't feel as though I should apologise for grooming done by an atheist, would why should Muslims?
Are you taking the piss?
If you knew grooming was occurring in your community/area surely you would make sure it was stopped and make the authorities aware. Would you not? I know I would.
A recent West Midlands press story
Police held back report into Muslim gangs grooming schoolgirls over racial tension fears
Sex abuse gangs in Black Country: 'Significant similarities' to Rotherham scandal, say police
Just crazy isn't it against educating girls but screwing them is fine. Crazy times we live in
That has nothing to do with what I said at all. Of course i would report it, as would all of the Muslims I know would do as well. There are scumbags within every 'community'. Muslims as a whole are not to blame for these scumbags and the failings of the police.
"Localised Grooming" Gangs (convictions from 1997)
This list is compiled based on definitions provided by Andrew Norfolk, The Times, 5 January 2011:
"The 17 cases identified by The Times which showed a pattern of exploitation"
The 17 cases identified by The Times which showed a pattern of exploitation
Andrew Norfolk won the Orwell Prize for Journalism for his reporting on grooming gangs. He was the only journalist who provided expert testimony to the House of Commons select committee, in their (2012-2013) investigation into the grooming gangs. This parliamentary investigation (published June 2013) concluded that it "would certainly seem to be the case" that most of grooming gangs are muslim. http://bit.ly/13sh94D See p.52.
trial first 2nd name/
date location name surname
Nov 1997 Leeds Mohammed Naim Rashid
Nov 1997 Leeds Abid Hussain Sadique
Feb 2005 Keighley Shabir Ahmed
Feb 2005 Keighley Munwar Khan
Apr 2006 Blackpool Sandeep Chauhan
Apr 2006 Blackpool Puppy Parmar
Jun 2007 Oldham Shahzad Masood
Jun 2007 Oldham Mohammed Suleman
Aug 2007 Blackburn Zulfqar Hussain
Aug 2007 Blackburn Qaiser Naveed
Oct 2007 Sheffield Ayad Mahmood
Oct 2007 Sheffield Aziz Sabir Hamed
Aug 2008 Oldham Shofiqul Islam
Aug 2008 Oldham Shamim Ahmed
Nov 2008 Manchester Mirza Baig
Nov 2008 Manchester Mohammed Ditta
Nov 2008 Blackburn Ian Hindle
Nov 2008 Blackburn Andrew Wells
Apr 2009 Blackburn Imran Pervez
Apr 2009 Blackburn Zaheer Khan
Jul 2009 Skipton Mohammed Zackriya
Jul 2009 Skipton Mohammed Taj
Jul 2009 Skipton Mohammed Shabir
Jul 2009 Skipton Shafaq Hussain
Feb 2010 Rochdale Ajmal Afridi
Feb 2010 Rochdale Imtiaz Syed
Feb 2010 Rochdale Tayub Hussain
Feb 2010 Rochdale Mustafa Arshad
Feb 2010 Rochdale Mohammed Usman Raja
Jun 2010 Nelson Azeem Shah
Jun 2010 Nelson Tabassum Shah
Aug 2010 Rochdale Asad Yousaf Hassan
Aug 2010 Rochdale Mohammed Basharat
Aug 2010 Rochdale Mohammed Atif
Aug 2010 Rochdale Aftab Khan
Aug 2010 Rochdale Abid Khaliq
Aug 2010 Rochdale Mohammed Anwar Safi
Aug 2010 Rochdale Ahmed Noorzai
Aug 2010 Rochdale Mohammed Khan
Aug 2010 Rochdale Najibullah Safi
Sep 2010 Preston Mohammed Moosa
Sep 2010 Preston Faisal Ghani
Nov 2010 Rotherham Razwan Razaq
Nov 2010 Rotherham Umar Razaq
Nov 2010 Rotherham Zafran Ramzan
Nov 2010 Rotherham Mohsin Khan
Nov 2010 Rotherham Adil Hussain
Nov 2010 Derby Abid Siddique
Nov 2010 Derby Mohammed Liaqat
Nov 2010 Derby Mohamed Imran Rehman
Nov 2010 Derby Faisal Mehmood
Nov 2010 Derby Akshay Kumar
Nov 2010 Derby Naweed Liaqat
Nov 2010 Derby Farooq Ahmed
Nov 2010 Derby Graham Blackham
Nov 2010 Derby Ziafat Yasin
Aug 2011 Accrington Amjad Hussain
Aug 2011 Accrington Shahid Hussain
Aug 2011 Accrington Tanveer Butt
Mar 2012 Telford Shamrez Rashid
Mar 2012 Telford Amar Hussain
Mar 2012 Telford Jahbar Rafiq
Mar 2012 Telford Adil Saleem
Mar 2012 Telford Amer Islam Choudhrey
May 2012 Rochdale Kabeer Hassan
May 2012 Rochdale Abdul Aziz
May 2012 Rochdale Abdul Rauf
May 2012 Rochdale Mohammed Sajid
May 2012 Rochdale Adil Khan
May 2012 Rochdale Abdul Qayyum
May 2012 Rochdale Mohammed Amin
May 2012 Rochdale Hamid Safi
May 2012 Rochdale Shabir Ahmed
May 2012 Bradford Shabir Ahmed
May 2012 Bradford Munwar Khan
Feb 2013 Ipswich Surin Uddin
Feb 2013 Ipswich Mohammed Sheikh
Feb 2013 Ipswich Hamza Ali
Mar 2013 Birmingham Raja Khan
Mar 2013 Birmingham Adeeb Sultan
Mar 2013 Keighley Shazad Rehman
Mar 2013 Keighley Bilal Hussain
Apr 2013 Brierfield Mohammed Imran Amja
May 2013 Oxford Kamar Jamil
May 2013 Oxford Akhtar Dogar
May 2013 Oxford Anjum Dogar
May 2013 Oxford Assad Hussain
May 2013 Oxford Mohammed Karrar
May 2013 Oxford Bassam Karrar
May 2013 Oxford Zeeshan Ahmed
Jul 2013 Barking Naeem Ahmed
Jul 2013 Barking Nabeel Ahmed
Jul 2013 Barking Hassan Raza
Jul 2013 Manchester Shamin Uddin
Jul 2013 Manchester Giash Uddin
Jul 2013 Manchester Robert Jackson
Aug 2013 Leicester Aabidali Mubarak Ali
Aug 2013 Leicester Rakib Iacub
Aug 2013 Leicester Wajid Usman
99 convictions, 6 non-muslims
94% of those convicted in the grooming gangs are muslims
The Times article from Jan 5 2011, on this grooming phenomenon shows a realisation (at least in one newspaper) of the scale of the problem. You can see his original list (to the end of 2010). There have been as many convictions since 2010, as there were in the previous 13 years investigated by Norfolk.
The vast majority of the victims of the gangs listed above were white/non-muslim girls. However, some were asian (there's no evidence of any of the asian girls being of any religion other than sikhism).
Bullshit. When over 100 girls get groomed raped and abused, plenty of people knew but nothing was said. The Muslim community should be coming out and marching for these girls saying how much they condone the actions. Like when they march on the streets against British soldiers and against Tesco selling bacon crisps near Ramadan aisle. I wonder what's more important to protest about. A bunch of rapists or Tesco selling bacon crisps
Should white men have come out and marched against the cover up over Jimmy Saville? All of the Muslims I know are horrified about any sort of chid grooming. They also didn't march against soldiers or crisps. Yet again, you're tarring the majority due to the actions of a minority.
Glad to see some are being deported.
Rochdale grooming gang: all but two have been released from prison
The sooner the fucking better!
There is absolutely no comparison in scale and scope. Saville was a sick sociopath, these gangs are part of deep rooted cultural & religious beliefs that treat persons from different cultures as inferiors to be abused, used and even enslaved. It has to be scourged from this country. I don't understand why you defend them by constantly seeking to derail the topic.
As the show said majority of peados are white. Ridiculous to make out gangs are worse than loners. Its all sick
Also interesting that in episode 3 they had same debate i did about upbringings and morals. Bbc nailed it from all sides.
As for muslim community its not like these scumbags come home and tell their wife and kids i banged a 14yo white girl today. They will keep talk to those involved.
As for parents defending them thats in every community. How many times have we seen white or black people kill people on streets and their parents day my boys a good un he would never hurt no one etc
Bottom line is grooming gangs need to be stopped. If that means focussin on pakistani ones first as they sre more prevelent then that is fine. Lets not be stupid enough to tar everyone as culprits or acomplices.
P.s lets.hope.victims can go on to lead happy lives in the years to come.
I am defending those who are being tarred with the same brush, why is that such as issue to you?
Do you feel the need to apologise for racist attacks by white people in this country?
I'm Irish. I want a united Ireland. Does that make me a member of the IRA? Tarring people with the same brush is dangerous.
white Europeans have been travelling to south east Asia and fucking children for years, doesn't mean we all do it and I find it disgusting but I've never felt compelled to march down the street about it either.
Greater Manchester Children's Service's : 3 Girls Sexual Health Worker Sara Rowbotham to be recognised for her services
You don't make it clear this is a petition. It said in 3 girls closing credits she was made redundant by whoever it was she worked for when all this was going on. Think the petition should be on Parliament website.
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