General Election (2 Viewers)
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chiefdave
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They must be working on the basis that with so much of the press on their side they can put all this out without people noticing. How much of the electorate actually reads the manifestos and knows what the parties polices are? The majority will be going off what they are told in the press which is massively skewed:
How many people voting Conservative appreciate they are voting to bring back fox hunting, end the ban on ivory trading, scrapping Leveson, scrapping pledge not to raise income tax and NI, virtually unlimited and unregulated fracking, £70bn reduction in corporation tax (they want the rate to be 17% compared to a global average of 27% and G7 average of 32%), no plan to reach their immigration targets which are now an aim not a pledge, not getting rid of the budget deficit as promised, changes to digital laws that will make us hugely vulnerable and will likely see tech firms leave the country and all that's before you even consider what their policies impacting pensioners.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Love you too.
ccfc92
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I really don't understand why so many people get worked up over politics.
Whether Labour or Conservatives win, it doesn't matter. It will still follow the cycle of the rich getting richer, and the rich keeping the people making them rich in power.
I always chuckle at the "We will raise the minimum wage to £X" line, regardless of which party says it.
Whether Labour or Conservatives win, it doesn't matter. It will still follow the cycle of the rich getting richer, and the rich keeping the people making them rich in power.
I always chuckle at the "We will raise the minimum wage to £X" line, regardless of which party says it.
fernandopartridge
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It's stupid comments like that which get people wound up
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ccfc92
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I'm sorry? Care to explain?
Liquid Gold
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From what I've heard you say WSB you live in North Somerset. Your MP there is the cretinous Liam Fox who allowed classified information to get into the hands of his pals with no security clearance. Billy Smart indeed.
Captain Dart
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May is taking a huge electoral risk with those social care provisions, they are bound to lose her seats she could have won. However social care is a huge cost and can't be financed as it is. I don't think Labour have any concrete policy on this, they just say they'll reintegrate social care with the NHS, repeal the Health and Social Care Act and 'properly' fund the NHS.
If you rent or are in social housing and virtually no savings you'll pay nothing, its only people owning houses that will pay. As it stands you can pay if you live a long time but you may.
In my own experience I had one Aunt who lived into her 90's spending 4 years in a home who left very little and another Aunt who lived to a similar age but ended up spending her last 2 years in the NHS system after breaking her hip, she was never well enough to go home but bounced between hospital and several care facilities, the value of her house remained in her estate but had to be sold in case care costs were needed. So it is a bit of a lottery even now.
So what happens, will insurance schemes spring up or will home owners gift their homes to their offspring provided they can live there till they die (gifts are not liable for tax if the gift giver survives another 7 years) . There will be avoidance schemes for sure but in the end I feel sure some sort of compromise will emerge though there won't be any back tracking till after the election.
If you rent or are in social housing and virtually no savings you'll pay nothing, its only people owning houses that will pay. As it stands you can pay if you live a long time but you may.
In my own experience I had one Aunt who lived into her 90's spending 4 years in a home who left very little and another Aunt who lived to a similar age but ended up spending her last 2 years in the NHS system after breaking her hip, she was never well enough to go home but bounced between hospital and several care facilities, the value of her house remained in her estate but had to be sold in case care costs were needed. So it is a bit of a lottery even now.
So what happens, will insurance schemes spring up or will home owners gift their homes to their offspring provided they can live there till they die (gifts are not liable for tax if the gift giver survives another 7 years) . There will be avoidance schemes for sure but in the end I feel sure some sort of compromise will emerge though there won't be any back tracking till after the election.
clint van damme
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it's not quite a simple as gifting a house. They can chase after the assets of a house given as a gift to pay for costs of care well after the house has been given as a gift.
I'm not against the insurance scheme but it needs more meat on the bones and some rules put in place. I believe what the tories are proposing is totally unregulated.
Liquid Gold
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Boris Johnson thinks it's in the conservative manifesto to give the NHS an extra £350m a week.
Conservatives are the safe option yeah? Laughable that the foreign secretary doesn't even know what's in the manifesto.
Conservatives are the safe option yeah? Laughable that the foreign secretary doesn't even know what's in the manifesto.
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westcountry_skyblue
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I think Corbyn is a decent guy just don't agree with his politics,It's the clowns around him i despise!!
Oh and btw Dr Liam Fox is not my MP!!
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Deleted member 5849
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Abbott is his weak link. It's a shame they couldn't have found a way to all work together, in the PLP, and I suspect Abbott may not have had quite such a high profile.
If Labour lose, it won't just be Corbyn's fault...
clint van damme
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Damian Green said the tories have taken 1000s of pensioners out of pension poverty when in fact it's increased by 400,000 since 2011.
I'm sure both of those gaffs will get as much coverage as Diane Abbotts, (I won't hold my breath).
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westcountry_skyblue
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I'd love to vote labour,But cannot do it as i hate left wing politics!!
clint van damme
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there is no bigger clown in British politics than Boris.
Couple that with the fact he is also a committed careerist who will be leading brexit negotiations and that also makes him very dangerous.
skybluetom
Member
After years of so called anti establishment politics, it's interesting that most people seem to be going back to the two establishment parties. The Tory and Labour parties seemingly crushing the likes of Ukip, the Greens and Lib Dems.
skybluetom
Member
He'll be out of a job after the election regardless of outcome. Only put there in the first place to pacify the outers in the Tory party and the brexit public.
Captain Dart
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Yes, up to 7 years. I said that.. I also said it was my opinion that the final policy will be modified after feedback from interested parties, it is still too much of a lottery as is but then so is the policy in force today.
Do you think the policy currently in force is Scotland is fairer? Treatment of your home | Care Information Scotland
clint van damme
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I think you're wrong about 7 years. Maybe a test case but I heard recently that they are going after someone who was gifted a house a lot longer than 7 years previously.
I was told this by an in law who in currently involved in quite a dispute over a house they were left and has been doing a fair bit of research.
Isn't the Scottish policy very similar to what happens in England now?
Captain Dart
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Well I can see loopholes like that being closed or paying becomes too easy to dodge. Not sure what will happen about equity release schemes.
clint van damme
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there are also tax issues relating to jointly owned houses, it's a real minefield.
Captain Dart
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The bloke who tweeted this is a left leaning academic..
clint van damme
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but the tories haven't capped state elderly care? What year did they commit to cap it buy.
Captain Dart
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Don't expect me to justify what a Tory policy group puts out. I am merely a messenger here.
clint van damme
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I'm not sure how this can be better than what is there now, which is far from ideal and something which I have almost first hand experience of recently.
What I would say is it is a very complex issue and I appreciate that whatever party is elected, they are going to struggle to come up with something that suits every one.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I'm noticing a current obsession with Labour, with a lot of people banging on about how good and faultless they are.
I'm not saying the Tories are any better, but I really don't understand how anyone can proudly support any of the parties in this upcoming election with some much blind enthusiasm. They are all massively flawed.
It's quite embarrassing.
I'm not saying the Tories are any better, but I really don't understand how anyone can proudly support any of the parties in this upcoming election with some much blind enthusiasm. They are all massively flawed.
It's quite embarrassing.
Liquid Gold
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I don't know. The Ba'ath party seem pretty good. People say they're quite right wing but I honk they're only slightly eight of centre.
clint van damme
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there is a school of thought that says the tories are trying to lose this election to leave Labour to deal with Brexit, it wouldn't surprise me.
chiefdave
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When pretty much the only thing you've said through the whole campaign is strong and stable might be an idea to at least try and look vaguely strong and stable at least until after the election.
I think it was the Channel 4 journalist he said "Weak and feeble more like" when he asked his question.
She got very testy for some reason.
Ian1779
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She's about as good at being PM as Tim Fisher is at being our chairman...
Captain Dart
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Very embarrassing but entirely in character to change a policy if it is manifestly unpopular.
Better than Thatcher who brought in the poll tax and wouldn't change till there was rioting & mass non payment of the tax.
The backlash over the weekend must have been considerable.
Better than Thatcher who brought in the poll tax and wouldn't change till there was rioting & mass non payment of the tax.
The backlash over the weekend must have been considerable.