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I'll go on about the everyday Muslims on Radio 5 saying suicide bombers are worse than animals...
Mostly, people are people, and want to live in peace with one another. Shame a minority always agitate.
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I'll go on about the everyday Muslims on Radio 5 saying suicide bombers are worse than animals...
Mostly, people are people, and want to live in peace with one another. Shame a minority always agitate.
Sky Blue Pete
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Shared from a friend only cause I couldn't say it better. Im also incredibly emotional about all this and need leaders to talk me and friends to cajole me into a good place.
Every call to curtail civil liberties that is in practice aimed at muslim people will increase not decrease the chances of future terrorist action. Every call to ramp up violence in the middle east will increase not decrease the chances of more innocent people being killed somewhere else in the UK.
These kind of desires are understandable on an emotional level in the aftermath of an atrocity like the one in Manchester but they are irresponsible, wrong and counterproductive.
We must stand up and say so if we want to have any chance of breaking the cycle.
Regardless of who committed the murder in Manchester and for what reasons (which we do not know), terrorist groups supposedly operating in the name of Islam will profit if we let them. They want to engineer a war where communities are divided and everyone must take a side. They want us to mistrust all people of Islam, even in subtle ways. It is what they thrive on. They need it. In fact it is all they have.
Let's take it away from them. We have the power to do so.
Every call to curtail civil liberties that is in practice aimed at muslim people will increase not decrease the chances of future terrorist action. Every call to ramp up violence in the middle east will increase not decrease the chances of more innocent people being killed somewhere else in the UK.
These kind of desires are understandable on an emotional level in the aftermath of an atrocity like the one in Manchester but they are irresponsible, wrong and counterproductive.
We must stand up and say so if we want to have any chance of breaking the cycle.
Regardless of who committed the murder in Manchester and for what reasons (which we do not know), terrorist groups supposedly operating in the name of Islam will profit if we let them. They want to engineer a war where communities are divided and everyone must take a side. They want us to mistrust all people of Islam, even in subtle ways. It is what they thrive on. They need it. In fact it is all they have.
Let's take it away from them. We have the power to do so.
The Lurker
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Did you see Amir Khan on GMT? insensitive to question was he really Muslim who commited the atrocity & bringing up islamophobia. This Will never end whilst so many bury their heads.
rob9872
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I get your point but it's not like the guy the other night was a Saudi, he was British. We need to look at the reasons why people are joining and being radicalised, they're not doing it for a laugh or for Facebook likes. The mosques say it's not them and they are peace loving, but there is a breeding ground for these often young men somewhere being brainwashed into an ideology that's fucked up. Unless we stop the root cause this will continue.
clint van damme
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you're right. people are burying their head in the sand. These men with Theresa May, and their predecessors, have spent billions exporting Wahhabism.
with friends like these...................
Here's a quote from (At the time vice president of the US) Jo Biden regarding Syria:
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria. The Turks were great friends... [and] the Saudis, the Emirates, etcetera. What were they doing?.... They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad — except that the people who were being supplied, [they] were al-Nusra, and al-Qaeda, and the extremist elements of jihadis who were coming from other parts of the world.”
But it's tinfoil hat time to link the Saudis with extremism according to some.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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But I thought terrorism had 'nothing' to do with Islam?
Sorry, but that's all bollocks. Reading this thread angers me too. A lot of this countries reaction to a terrorist attack reminds me of a wife that makes excuses for her husband beating her.
Nick
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Stuff like this brings it home. I know any terrorism is bad but it just feels more raw.
Imagine one of our kids on their own like that and what they were going through
A few weeks ago I saw a young lad in a shop lose his mum, think he was about 5 or 6 and he was looking at something and he looked round and his mum had vanished.
The absolute fear on his face when he realised his mum wasn't there!
That's not to say at any other terrorist attack people aren't scared, just this one hits home a bit more!
Imagine one of our kids on their own like that and what they were going through
A few weeks ago I saw a young lad in a shop lose his mum, think he was about 5 or 6 and he was looking at something and he looked round and his mum had vanished.
The absolute fear on his face when he realised his mum wasn't there!
That's not to say at any other terrorist attack people aren't scared, just this one hits home a bit more!
clint van damme
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they've put this money into Mosques all over the world, (not all Mosques of course). It is a complicated issue as you say but stopping one of our 'friends' in the middle east spreading this doctrine would be a start.
Ian1779
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There are lots of complex reasons I'm sure - I feel one potential solution can be linked to education and how we can ensure that these young men (and women!) feel they are part of a wider British community and they are valued as much as every other person born on these shores.
When we discuss groups of people in this country (especially white people) we talk about them being English, Irish, Scottish - rarely Catholic, Protestant, Atheist... When groups of people from Asian descent are discussed - the go-to word is Muslim. A religion is not a nationality, and too easily the press gloss over the nationality and go straight to the religion.
Manchester_sky_blue
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Absolutely. Well said that man.
covcity4life
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its a shame terrorism has to happen on home soil to make people care about children dying
we need to fix this world, all of it.
we need to fix this world, all of it.
clint van damme
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you may be a mental bastard CC4L, but occasionally you hit the nail right on the head.
The shopping centre I'm in sent a memo around this morning warning of similar and to make sure we keep fire escapes clear, report suspicious activity etc. All the bins have also been removed.
clint van damme
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Bloody hell. Hope the security forces can thwart it, I don't envy their task.
In all seriousness, we all just have to keep calm. The organization I work for (which covers the whole of England) has plans in place for this and communication is good. We always know where other team members are and when something happens we find out very quickly and are asked to check in (as per Westminster attack recently - I work in London). Just check in with family regularly - it does help keep things as normal as possible.
Not very helpful perhaps, but I find this approach reassuring
Not very helpful perhaps, but I find this approach reassuring
chiefdave
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Its been raised everywhere hasn't it not just Brum? Wonder if its based on any actual intelligence or just the fact that a couple of things have happened recently?
Not sure how having the army outside Downing Street and Buckingham Palace is going to help. Not like they were places you could easily get to anyway.
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Ours definitely plays it as the 'we have to be cautious' way, rather than 'something will be targeted at us' way.
chiefdave
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Police have said its not terror related.
Yaya Toure has give £100K to the fund for victims family, good on him.
Covstu
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probably but I didn't get a email from other councils!!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's only going to get worse, especially whilst people are intent on burying their heads in the sand.
clint van damme
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can you explain that comment? Who is burying their heads about what?
SIR ERNIE
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What limp-wristed liberalist rubbish.
This 22 year old British man was the son of Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime. This country offered them protection, SAFETY and no do doubt the usual mountain of benefits. A good life.
Yet according to you that's not enough. We should take a look at ourselves. We should have made him feel 'valued' presumably because if we didn't he might attack us. So you're saying in part we are somehow to blame. You call it 'a potential solution'.
Wake up.
covcity4life
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i quite like the kid so i am worried to know what really goes on in his head. his political leanings are quite FAR out me thinks
fernandopartridge
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It's always about what we apparently don't do. The problem is that we've bent too far and now have a mollycoddled Muslim community with a sense of entitlement. Sickening hearing the head of the Muslim society at a Manchester University interviewed, the first comment he made was about supposed revenge attacks on Muslims in the university.
The riots in Oldham and Bradford, millions subsequently spent on community cohesion projects for nothing. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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chiefdave
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So what's the solution? Do you suggest locking up or deporting all 1st / 2nd generation Brits? Or are we going off skin colour or some other sort of profiling?
Its not like people need to travel overseas to become radicalised and even those that do how do you track them? They aren't boarding flights to training camps, they're going to other countries that don't have strong borders controls and crossing, often unknown to anyone.
There's been suggestions of 'bombing them off the face of the earth', where should we bomb? It's not like WW1 or WW2 where the enemy was a country.
And if we do 'wipe them off the face of the earth' what has changed that will stop the same thing that led to the rise is IS and Al Queda before them? Remove one lot and you create a power vacuum.
Sky Blue Pete
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Damn right
We'll_live_and_die
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That little twat has unsurprisingly just come back from Libya.
Trump may be onto something with banning travellers from those danger areas.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep people vent but have no solution bar revenge and violence as if we've not tried that
chiefdave
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The problem is they aren't travelling direct to Libya. They will be going to places like Egypt or even Italy and entering from there. How do you control that? You can't ban British citizens from coming back in to the country if they've been to Italy.
Similarly you can't start bombing Libya, you have exactly the same problem as with Syria. Its not a straightforward one side against the other.
We'll_live_and_die
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I don't have all the answers, it's actually Trumps idea not mine, but there are some that it's known where they've been.
You go there, then you don't come back. We've got to start somewhere.
We'll_live_and_die
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Careful @chiefdave shall be along asking what we do about the un-knowns.
Sky Blue Pete
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Deport them where?