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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thatcher was PM. Corbyn supported their movement

Look, in the end its up to individual choice. Corbyn supported an organisation that openly dragged "informer" women from their beds and shot them through the head in front of their children

At least Abbot has changed her hairstyle what is his excuse?

But if you are comfortable with the ideology that is fine

Except he doesn't support them, does he. The most recent Tory scare video's best attempt is to say he equated the crimes of the IRA with those of the UVF. That's been his position for years, neither side came out of the Troubles looking good. The difference you have is that if supporters of a united Ireland were murdered it is more acceptable than the murder of unionists was. None of it is.

Mrs May and the Saudis, however...

 

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[Grendel]

Except he doesn't support them, does he. The most recent Tory scare video's best attempt is to say he equated the crimes of the IRA with those of the UVF. That's been his position for years, neither side came out of the Troubles looking good. The difference you have is that if supporters of a united Ireland were murdered it is more acceptable than the murder of unionists was. None of it is.

Mrs May and the Saudis, however...

Odd. Would you attend Adolf Hitlers funeral?

Alan Johnson on this week fell about laughing about this the other day on this week

With respect you weren't even born when Corbyn was sidling up to Adams and McGuinness

I've posed numerous questions on this thread all based on facts regarding his associations - answer all of them please and then tell me he wasn't an IRA supporter.

He was and he's a liar.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm done discussing politics on here. Just noting my predictions.

You don't have an answer you mean

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[fernandopartridge]

Odd. Would you attend Adolf Hitlers funeral?

Alan Johnson on this week fell about laughing about this the other day on this week

With respect you weren't even born when Corbyn was sidling up to Adams and McGuinness

I've posed numerous questions on this thread all based on facts regarding his associations - answer all of them please and then tell me he wasn't an IRA supporter.

He was and he's a liar.

The picture that is being used as the stock photo for the story is from 1995

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[Liquid Gold]

Odd. Would you attend Adolf Hitlers funeral?

Alan Johnson on this week fell about laughing about this the other day on this week

With respect you weren't even born when Corbyn was sidling up to Adams and McGuinness

I've posed numerous questions on this thread all based on facts regarding his associations - answer all of them please and then tell me he wasn't an IRA supporter.

He was and he's a liar.

One will only use the Nazis or Hitler when one has completely lost the argument.

 

[Grendel]

One will only use the Nazis or Hitler when one has completely lost the argument.

I repeat answer the questions I posed earlier in the thread and explain to me how they do not prove he was a sympathiser to that cause

Why did Dianne Abbott admit it on TV yesterday?

It's not losing the argument is it? If someone did attend the funeral of a despot does that show lack of empathy to that person or actually the opposite?

 

[Captain Dart]

Wasn't Thatcher meeting with them in secret as well? I've laid flowers at the Garden of Rememberance in Dublin, I suppose I count as a terrorist sympathiser as well. France has a street named after Boby Sands, a whole nation of sympathisers as well!

She didn't attend any funerals and pay homage to bombers. France can fuck off too.

 

[Grendel]

Except he doesn't support them, does he. The most recent Tory scare video's best attempt is to say he equated the crimes of the IRA with those of the UVF. That's been his position for years, neither side came out of the Troubles looking good. The difference you have is that if supporters of a united Ireland were murdered it is more acceptable than the murder of unionists was. None of it is.

Mrs May and the Saudis, however...

Oh and as for not supporting bombers he'd better have words with his Comrade in Arms - Mr McDonnell

“It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh and as for not supporting bombers he'd better have words with his Comrade in Arms - Mr McDonnell

“It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”

Assuming the quote is genuine, is it technically untrue? What do you have to say about the British and UVF actions in NI at the same time?

Ed: McDonnell was pressed on these claims shortly after Corbyn was elected leader.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

She didn't attend any funerals and pay homage to bombers. France can fuck off too.

She did pay homage many times to General Pinochet even after he was charged with crimes against his own people. He didn't kill any British though, so it doesn't count.

 

[mrtrench]

You don't have an answer you mean

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Absolutely not. I'm just fed up with wasting time on here explaining my position in detail and you and your friends having no response (seemingly conceding); only then to go round in circles with the same tosh again a week or so later.

 

[Grendel]

Assuming the quote is genuine, is it technically untrue? What do you have to say about the British and UVF actions in NI at the same time?

Ed: McDonnell was pressed on these claims shortly after Corbyn was elected leader.

Christ you justify this outrage. "The British" - listen to yourself. "The British" included Northern Ireland.

True? Of course its true and his pathetic apology was made as he suddenly found himself on the Front bench.

You deserve the wretched man. Fortunately the majority of the British public are better informed than you and will deliver the correct and just verdict on this dinosaurs next week.

This is why Corbyn gets the young vote. It doesn't explore the past and throws lazy soundbites around like you do. Young people preaching liberty and freedom yet wearing T Shirts of a brutal racist and homophobic dictator.

This debate is going nowhere. Lets see what the majority think

 

[Grendel]

Absolutely not. I'm just fed up with wasting time on here explaining my position in detail and you and your friends having no response (seemingly conceding); only then to go round in circles with the same tosh again a week or so later.

Spot on

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Christ you justify this outrage. "The British" - listen to yourself. "The British" included Northern Ireland.

True? Of course its true and his pathetic apology was made as he suddenly found himself on the Front bench.

You deserve the wretched man. Fortunately the majority of the British public are better informed than you and will deliver the correct and just verdict on this dinosaurs next week.

This is why Corbyn gets the young vote. It doesn't explore the past and throws lazy soundbites around like you do. Young people preaching liberty and freedom yet wearing T Shirts of a brutal racist and homophobic dictator.

This debate is going nowhere. Lets see what the majority think

The British state hasn't acted perfectly for the entirety of its existence. There's no outrage in saying that, and there's especially none in pointing out the crimes of the UVF either. Does it make someone an IRA supporter for doing so? Of course it doesn't. You dismiss Theresa May's support of the criminal Saudis even as we have another attack on home soil carried out by an Islamic extremist. She arms a regime which exports that same ideology across the globe and is committing war crimes right this minute. That isn't a 'lazy soundbite', it's the truth. The IRA is gone and isn't coming back. Islamic extremism is very much here though. Wonder how British-made weapons make their way into the hands of jihadists in Iraq and Syria? Ask Mrs May's buddy Salman. I've never worn a T-shirt with Che Guevara on it, but while we're on brutal dictators, how about Maggie's unashamed support of General Pinochet?

There's many good reasons why people my age don't vote Tory. We could look at the trebling in tuition fees, denying under 25s a living wage, repealing the EMA, selling student debt to third parties, scrapping maintenance grants, and underfunding schools. For all the arrogance you aim at young people, look at what your generation has accomplished. The worst economic crisis since the 1930s, countless failed military interventions, climate change, the rise of jihadism and the first case of a generation being worse off than the one before. Yes, I have so much to thank you for. Mrs May probably will still win. Good job she clearly knows what she's doing.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Absolutely not. I'm just fed up with wasting time on here explaining my position in detail and you and your friends having no response (seemingly conceding); only then to go round in circles with the same tosh again a week or so later.

When was this? I don't recall ever having an argument with you

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[Philosoraptor]

There's many good reasons why people my age don't vote Tory. We could look at the trebling in tuition fees, denying under 25s a living wage, repealing the EMA, selling student debt to third parties, scrapping maintenance grants, and underfunding schools. For all the arrogance you aim at young people, look at what your generation has accomplished. The worst economic crisis since the 1930s, countless failed military interventions, climate change, the rise of jihadism and the first case of a generation being worse off than the one before.

Oh this is so true. Probably also the generation who has paid the least tax against increased personal wealth chucking the PFI burden onto the next generations to pay.

Not just the fault of the Tory's though, and probably why so many people don't vote at all.

 

[Sick Boy]

Assuming the quote is genuine, is it technically untrue? What do you have to say about the British and UVF actions in NI at the same time?

Ed: McDonnell was pressed on these claims shortly after Corbyn was elected leader.

Apparently the soldiers involved in Bloody Sunday were just 'doing their job'.

 

[Ian1779]

So anyway.... Mandela - terrorist or hero?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Apparently the soldiers involved in Bloody Sunday were just 'doing their job'.

Nobody came out of it looking good. At least there is relative peace there now.

 

[rob9872]

So anyway.... Mandela - terrorist or hero?

Well he never reoffended, proving that rehabilitation in prison works

 

[rob9872]

Nobody came out of it looking good. At least there is relative peace there now.

I think it's just everyone was eventually fed up on both sides with pointless death. Hopefully the same will happen with the curent issues here and around the world but I fear it may take at least another generation in this island country and likely longer elsewhere with free movement harder to track.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Nobody came out of it looking good. At least there is relative peace there now.

Major and Blair (yes, him!) deserve a lot of credit for NI.

They moved away from the confrontational approach of Thatcher - seems Grendel would have us back there...

 

[rob9872]

Dont forget Mo Mowlam too

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Dont forget Mo Mowlam too

True enough. Many others, obviously. Was just using the leaders as those from where an example starts.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Major and Blair (yes, him!) deserve a lot of credit for NI.

They moved away from the confrontational approach of Thatcher - seems Grendel would have us back there...

Present UK governments won't touch NI with a barge pole and would probably be grateful for reunification to take it off their hands. Sinn Fein is now about tied with the DUP and as the Protestant population declines, it is a matter of when, not if. It costs us billions to keep it afloat, it is surely a question of status now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think it's just everyone was eventually fed up on both sides with pointless death. Hopefully the same will happen with the curent issues here and around the world but I fear it may take at least another generation in this island country and likely longer elsewhere with free movement harder to track.

Likely to get worse to be honest, with dwindling resources across the globe and climate change due to take a more prominent role later on in the century.

 

[chiefdave]

Find it a bit odd that while the Conservatives keep telling us Corbyn is useless and unelectable their primary focus is on something that happened decades ago? Why not concentre on the present?

The same people up in arms about Corbyn's supposed love of the IRA don't seem to have a problem with Maria 'I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more killed the better' Gatland, current Conservative councillor in Croydon.

If someone did attend the funeral of a despot

Who is supposed to have gone to whose funeral?

Maggie's unashamed support of General Pinochet

Thatcher's government granted a royal pardon to a convicted IRA terrorist just months after the Brighton bombing, it has emerged.
The former Conservative Prime Minister was known for her unyielding stance against the IRA during the Troubles but newly released papers show secret concessions.
The documents revealed that in May 1985 a Royal Prerogative of Mercy was approved for Donal Donnelly, who had fled prison 25 years earlier.

 

[Captain Dart]

Find it a bit odd that while the Conservatives keep telling us Corbyn is useless and unelectable their primary focus is on something that happened decades ago? Why not concentre on the present?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Sugar must have a dodgy amstrad box if that's what he gets on his tv

 

[chiefdave]

Multi millionaire in supporting Conservatives shock!

 

[Captain Dart]

Multi millionaire in supporting Conservatives shock!

Labour peer, quit whip when Corbyn took over.
Former Labour peer Lord Sugar is backing Theresa May this General Election

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I repeat answer the questions I posed earlier in the thread and explain to me how they do not prove he was a sympathiser to that cause

Why did Dianne Abbott admit it on TV yesterday?

It's not losing the argument is it? If someone did attend the funeral of a despot does that show lack of empathy to that person or actually the opposite?

Pinochet

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Labour peer, quit whip when Corbyn took over.
Former Labour peer Lord Sugar is backing Theresa May this General Election

Sugar = twat

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

 

[chiefdave]

Labour peer, quit whip when Corbyn took over.
Former Labour peer Lord Sugar is backing Theresa May this General Election

Exactly, as soon as someone heads the party who isn't to all intents and purposes a tory in a red tie the multi millionaire shows his true colours and scuttles off to the party who will lower his taxes.