General Election (45 Viewers)

[RB1992]

Hearing reports May let off an absolute ripper of a fart on the streets yesterday - any truth in this?

 

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[richnrg]

Hearing reports May let off an absolute ripper of a fart on the streets yesterday - any truth in this?

judge for yourself

 

[richnrg]

here's one of her shitting herself

 

[Captain Dart]

As you'd expect made up bull shit. It's not part of Labours manifesto but it is been considered.

It is mentioned, there is a clear intention to change the way local tax is calculated, you don't seriously think it will go down do you?

 

[Sick Boy]

How is May getting away with refusing to debate the other leaders? She is massively incompetent.

 

[Covstu]

There's loads of false reports in the usual right wing rags.
As you'd expect made up bull shit. It's not part of Labours manifesto but it is been considered.
It's an idea that the Adam Smith institute agrees with so if the tories win expect them to introduce it any way.
If they introduce it I'd be worse off but I've said many times I'll willingly pay more if it goes towards preventing class sizes of 35 plus kids, (be the norm come next September), or helping the NHS.

Talking of the NHS and unreported policy, none of said right wing rags seem to be reporting on tory plans to introduce the Naylor report.

Lets hope not, just seen it on breakfast TV this morning when questioning the shadow Health Minister however his response wasn't too convincing to be honest. This would be a major impact to both well off and less well off individuals. My mum lives in an old council house with very large back and front gardens and would certainly not be able to live there should this go up to the extent they were talking.

 

[skybluedan]

here's one of her shitting herself

She looks like the high witch from witches just before she's about to change into a rat
Her stereotype view on weed is embarrassing the c**t

 

[Liquid Gold]

Corbyn in the debate now. May is going to get roasted for not turning up.

 

[Sick Boy]

Corbyn in the debate now. May is going to get roasted for not turning up.

I highly doubt it. Most of the press probably won't bother to report on it.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I highly doubt most of the press will even bother reporting on it.

Prime time BBC though. At least people might actually see it.

 

[chiefdave]

The excuse they've come up with is that she doesn't want to swap soundbites with six other politicians

No soundbites? They have nothing else, 'strong and stable', 'Brexit means Brexit, coalition of chaos'.

 

[clint van damme]

It is mentioned, there is a clear intention to change the way local tax is calculated, you don't seriously think it will go down do you?

No I don't, and I don't care, (I'll be worse off), as long as the commitments to the NHS and education are honoured
As I say, it's a policy supported by the Adam Smith institute so we'll find it's way onto the tory agenda anyway at some point though I don't think they'll use any extra revenue for the benefit of the many.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

How is May getting away with refusing to debate the other leaders? She is massively incompetent.

Another totally ridiculous move from her. If for whatever reason she loses the election she only has herself blame as her competition is not very good at all.

I'll be honest and say that the reasons not to vote Conservative are starting to outweigh the reasons for voting for them.

There is no way I would vote Lib Dem or Labour so fuck knows what I'll do.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Corbyn in the debate now. May is going to get roasted for not turning up.

Sounds like a job for Skybluedan

 

[Johnnythespider]

Any views on labours Garden tax that seems to have slipped the net?

It will be a crap idea until the Tories pick it up and say it's theirs, then it will be a great idea.

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Just out of interest, to any of you Labour voters, does Corbyn's take on immigration, Trident, and shoot to kill policies alarm you at all? Please be honest. Personally these are all rule breakers for me.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Rather than a hung parliment could they not have a penalty shoot out or a dual to sort it out

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Just out of interest, to any of you Labour voters, does Corbyn's take on immigration, Trident, and shoot to kill policies alarm you at all? Please be honest. Personally these are all rule breakers for me.

Yes but not as much as what the tories will do to the NHS and other public services

 

[Liquid Gold]

Another totally ridiculous move from her. If for whatever reason she loses the election she only has herself blame as her competition is not very good at all.

I'll be honest and say that the reasons not to vote Conservative are starting to outweigh the reasons for voting for them.

There is no way I would vote Lib Dem or Labour so fuck knows what I'll do.

If you vote labour I'll give you 2 goes on my season ticket.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Just out of interest, to any of you Labour voters, does Corbyn's take on immigration, Trident, and shoot to kill policies alarm you at all? Please be honest. Personally these are all rule breakers for me.

Immigration - Certain seasonal parts of the economy need cheap unskilled labour.
Trident - a waste of money
Shoot to kill - Jean Claude De Menesez.
Not rule breakers for me.

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Another totally ridiculous move from her. If for whatever reason she loses the election she only has herself blame as her competition is not very good at all.

I'll be honest and say that the reasons not to vote Conservative are starting to outweigh the reasons for voting for them.

There is no way I would vote Lib Dem or Labour so fuck knows what I'll do.

You could be ukips single voter

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

If Corbyn said he will scrap the waste of money hs2 that might help him who needs to spend billions on a train that gets you to London thirty seconds quicker

 

[Liquid Gold]

Just out of interest, to any of you Labour voters, does Corbyn's take on immigration, Trident, and shoot to kill policies alarm you at all? Please be honest. Personally these are all rule breakers for me.

I disagree with Corbyn on certain issues but this isn't a presidential race. The wider PLP does not follow Corbyn on every issue and that's why I think a Labour government could be a good thing. Compromise and agreement will make for far more rounded policies than a parliamentary dictatorship of the type May wants will be far more damaging.

 

[skybluedan]

Hearing reports May let off an absolute ripper of a fart on the streets yesterday - any



It was a fanny fart I heard

 

[skybluedan]

Sounds like a job for Skybluedan

I'd rather roast a dead bird

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I'd rather roast a dead bird

I never thought I would see the day when you say no to a woman still she is barely one.

 

[Sick Boy]

Just out of interest, to any of you Labour voters, does Corbyn's take on immigration, Trident, and shoot to kill policies alarm you at all? Please be honest. Personally these are all rule breakers for me.

No, not really. The shoot to kill policy didn't work out too well after the tube bombongs, did it? With regard to immigration, hos plans are much more realistic than getting it onto the 10s of 1000s.

 

[chiefdave]

The wider PLP does not follow Corbyn on every issue

One of the things I like about Corbyn is that he doesn't run the party like a dictatorship. Not really sure why Paxman was trying to make an issue out of that saying things like abolishing the royals isn't in the manifesto.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Immigration - Certain seasonal parts of the economy need cheap unskilled labour.
Trident - a waste of money
Shoot to kill - Jean Claude De Menesez.
Not rule breakers for me.

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I disagree with Corbyn on certain issues but this isn't a presidential race. The wider PLP does not follow Corbyn on every issue and that's why I think a Labour government could be a good thing. Compromise and agreement will make for far more rounded policies than a parliamentary dictatorship of the type May wants will be far more damaging.

No, not really. The shoot to kill policy didn't work out too well after the tube bombongs, did it? With regard to immigration, hos plans are much more realistic than getting it onto the 10s of 1000s.

Personally:

Trident - Never has to be used, it isn't the point. Without it we are a massive target.
Shoot to kill - De Menesez was an unfortunate case. Jeopardising our national security by stopping that because of it is completely mental. What if someone has a bomb but the police can't take him out effectively so he kills scores of people? It would be unthinkable, and that isn't unlikely in the direction we are currently going.
Immigration - letting anyone in has already proved several times to be a disaster. It seems a lot of pro labour supporters are ignoring his stance on immigration if i'm honest. It certainly will contribute to more situations such as point number 2. Immigration if done the right way is fine, opening the doors is just suicide,

It feels weak in a time when we need someone strong (I'm not saying May is). I just couldn't vote for this man, even if a lot of the parties policies aren't so bad, these ones in particular are mental.

 

[chiefdave]

Just out of interest, to any of you Labour voters, does Corbyn's take on immigration, Trident, and shoot to kill policies alarm you at all? Please be honest. Personally these are all rule breakers for me.

I'm not a Labour voter but I'm tempted this time round so I'll answer.

Immigration - we are reliant on immigrants and not just skilled ones. Corbyn is absolutely right to not set an arbitrary target. Remember under May as home sec we had record levels of immigration which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in her promises. If we do something stupid like getting rid of everyone who doesn't earn over a certain amount as has been suggested by the Conservatives our service industry would collapse along with things like the NHS.

Trident - I'd rather we scrapped it completely. I don't see how we can go round telling the rest of the world they shouldn't have nuclear weapons when we're spending tens of billions on them ourselves. However if we have to have them then having someone who is eager to avoid ending the world in charge of them is a good thing. Lets face it, they are no deterrent to the kind of threat we face these days and if we ever got to a position where we needed to use them it becomes a bit of a moot point as we'd all be dead.

Shoot to kill - didn't the BBC Trust say he had been misrepresented on this? Its a balance for me, the police need the power to shoot to kill in the right circumstances but you have to be very careful that a) you don't shoot someone innocent and b) you don't play in to the hands of terrorists by acting in a way that aids their recruitment.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'm not a Labour voter but I'm tempted this time round so I'll answer.

Immigration - we are reliant on immigrants and not just skilled ones. Corbyn is absolutely right to not set an arbitrary target. Remember under May as home sec we had record levels of immigration which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in her promises. If we do something stupid like getting rid of everyone who doesn't earn over a certain amount as has been suggested by the Conservatives our service industry would collapse along with things like the NHS.

Trident - I'd rather we scrapped it completely. I don't see how we can go round telling the rest of the world they shouldn't have nuclear weapons when we're spending tens of billions on them ourselves. However if we have to have them then having someone who is eager to avoid ending the world in charge of them is a good thing. Lets face it, they are no deterrent to the kind of threat we face these days and if we ever got to a position where we needed to use them it becomes a bit of a moot point as we'd all be dead.

Shoot to kill - didn't the BBC Trust say he had been misrepresented on this? Its a balance for me, the police need the power to shoot to kill in the right circumstances but you have to be very careful that a) you don't shoot someone innocent and b) you don't play in to the hands of terrorists by acting in a way that aids their recruitment.

Ok that's fair enough, but do you think we should be letting anyone and everyone in to the country? My issue isn't with NHS staff etc, it is with the negative side of immigration (which does exist).

With Trident I get your point about us all being dead, but wouldn't you rather have it so we didn't have to die? I don't buy the argument that Trident is useless whatsoever.

Agree on shoot to kill, the American system doesn't work, but the Police have to have the right to take someone down in the right circumstances. It would be crazy otherwise.

 

[covcity4life]

i spoke to policeman the other day and he said so many immigrants dont get car insurance etc.

thats the sorta of people should be looking to restrict. not skilled workers.

 

[clint van damme]

It will be a crap idea until the Tories pick it up and say it's theirs, then it will be a great idea.

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as I said earlier, it's a policy that is supported by the Adam Smith institute so your prediction could well come true if the tories win the election.

 

[chiefdave]

Ok that's fair enough, but do you think we should be letting anyone and everyone in to the country? My issue isn't with NHS staff etc, it is with the negative side of immigration (which does exist).

Labour aren't suggesting a free for all. they are proposing a system based on economic need. So identifying specific jobs or skills that need filling. They have also pledged to stop overseas only recruitment and alongside that clampdown on those paying below minimum wage.
Rather than an income threshold they would prevent immigrants accessing public funds. They would also compensate areas with high numbers of immigrants by reinstating the MIF.

Conservatives are once again promising to cut net migration below 100K a year. They've promised this before and failed. In 2010 they promised to reduce it to 'tens of thousands a year', instead it increased 300K a year. They promised the same in the next election but this time it was an 'ambition'. It then spiralled to 650K under May as Home Secretary. Nothing to indicate this time will be any different.
The only actual stated polices are companies employing migrant being charged and those coming here to study would have to leave once qualified.

With Trident I get your point about us all being dead, but wouldn't you rather have it so we didn't have to die? I don't buy the argument that Trident is useless whatsoever.

I don't see it being any use whatsoever in protecting us. I also think its makes it near impossible to be taken seriously when we're telling other countries they can't have nuclear arms.

 

[clint van damme]

Personally:

Trident - Never has to be used, it isn't the point. Without it we are a massive target.
Shoot to kill - De Menesez was an unfortunate case. Jeopardising our national security by stopping that because of it is completely mental. What if someone has a bomb but the police can't take him out effectively so he kills scores of people? It would be unthinkable, and that isn't unlikely in the direction we are currently going.
Immigration - letting anyone in has already proved several times to be a disaster. It seems a lot of pro labour supporters are ignoring his stance on immigration if i'm honest. It certainly will contribute to more situations such as point number 2. Immigration if done the right way is fine, opening the doors is just suicide,

It feels weak in a time when we need someone strong (I'm not saying May is). I just couldn't vote for this man, even if a lot of the parties policies aren't so bad, these ones in particular are mental.

Labours manifesto doesn't say anything about "letting everybody in" with regard to immigration.

Now you may not believe them, but take a look at the tory manifesto from the last election and see how many of their key pledges they delivered.
I'd rather give Labour a chance.