General Election (47 Viewers)

[Astute]

Because the cat is out of the bag. When the election was called Corbyn was down 20-25 points in the polls and in 6 weeks reduced that to 3. The polls also showed very large numbers of the public having a more positive opinion of him than before as they saw him campaigning on a national stage and liked it. Give this election another few weeks and we may well have won it.

Then we also have an electorate that by now is likely fed up of elections and referendums.

There wasn't a cat and there wasn't a bag.

So you think that a new leader for the Tories wouldn't get more votes for them?

 

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[Astute]

What are core Tory values, out of interest?

Rob from the poor and give it to the rich.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tony....if May steps down like she should I can't see anything past Boris becoming their next leader.

He may be a buffoon. But a lot of the public like him.

He does the clown act very well. Managing to con millions into thinking that Bullingdon Boris is a man of the people, he is of the same ilk as Dave and laughs at them behind closed doors.

 

[Sick Boy]

He does the clown act very well. Managing to con millions into thinking that Bullingdon Boris is a man of the people, he is of the same ilk as Dave and laughs at them behind closed doors.

Didn't he claim in an interview that the Tory manifesto included £350m a week for the NHS? From a Labour perspective, he would be ideal.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There wasn't a cat and there wasn't a bag.

So you think that a new leader for the Tories wouldn't get more votes for them?

The cat in the bag being the illusion of Tory competence. The party doesn't know what the hell it's doing and for all their whining now when May asked for an election they were all behind it and thought their majority was going up. The clown is their best hope but he will still be campaigning on a platform to fuck people over. Let's not forget he wrote essays for and against Brexit when the referendum was called.

 

[Grendel]

Because the cat is out of the bag. When the election was called Corbyn was down 20-25 points in the polls and in 6 weeks reduced that to 3. The polls also showed very large numbers of the public having a more positive opinion of him than before as they saw him campaigning on a national stage and liked it. Give this election another few weeks and we may well have won it.

Then we also have an electorate that by now is likely fed up of elections and referendums.

Maintaining momentum during a lull isn't as easy as you make out.

Also do you seriously think the Tories are going to sit back and do nothing?

Consider this. The campaign was undoubtably the worst in British political modern history. A car crash with a leader who couldn't communicate. While Corbyn was handing out free tickets to university may was alienating core voters and then pretending she never did.

Yet and yet the Labour Party gained about 5 more seats than when Gordon brown conducted his dire campaign.

Corbyn will have to gain around 47% of the vote if the minor parties are not going to recover.

The Tories will appoint a new leader and they will make concessions to the manifesto and that will gain them momentum. No one can moan if they remain in power as ultimately the electorate delivered a result that wants a Tory led coalition focused on its policies.

Kevin Maguire on the politics show said he couldn't see how Corbyn would ever win and that some voters who never believed he'd win will change allegiance next time round.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn't he claim in an interview that the Tory manifesto included £350m a week for the NHS? From a Labour perspective, he would be ideal.

The clown persona negates mistakes like that in the eyes of the public. He is their best hope of getting that majority back as the rest are wet lettuces like Mrs May.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maintaining momentum during a lull isn't as easy as you make out.

Also do you seriously think the Tories are going to sit back and do nothing?

Consider this. The campaign was undoubtably the worst in British political modern history. A car crash with a leader who couldn't communicate. While Corbyn was handing out free tickets to university may was alienating core voters and then pretending she never did.

Yet and yet the Labour Party gained about 5 more seats than when Gordon brown conducted his dire campaign.

Corbyn will have to gain around 47% of the vote if the minor parties are not going to recover.

The Tories will appoint a new leader and they will make concessions to the manifesto and that will gain them momentum. No one can moan if they remain in power as ultimately the electorate delivered a result that wants a Tory led coalition focused on its policies.

Kevin Maguire on the politics show said he couldn't see how Corbyn would ever win and that some voters who never believed he'd win will change allegiance next time round.

You are assuming that Labour won't do anything differently either. The PLP has seen that there is an appetite for a progressive populist and even the likes of Umunna have taken their hats off to Corbyn's attitude. A stronger front bench can be assembled and it can unite the party for once. Look at the seats Labour took from the Tories this time-not even Blair flipped Kensington or Canterbury and the vote share was higher than 2005.

If this Tory platform really was the most 'left' they could think if they are screwed. If they go further, Labour has won the policy argument.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So he's done a u turn after 1 week. Power corrupts eh?

Has he?

So have you...you inferred earlier that he had lied about another election. Now it's a u-turn.

Where has he said anything about calling for another election? If he has I'm unaware of it. I recall hearing him say that he wouldn't call for one. He hasn't called for one from what I can tell. He has predicted there will be one later this year or early next though.

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[SkyblueBazza]

He doesn't import cheaper workers. His business just so happens to be in a sector that over the years has had more and more trouble employing people from the UK for the wages that sector traditionally pays and that gap has been filled by EU workers who will.

No doubt he made a mistake with his referendum vote.

Exactly...exploitation!

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[Astute]

Being higher than an unvoted for Gordon Brown isn't much of an achievement. That was a low point.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Rob from the poor and give it to the rich.

To take off-shore or abroad

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[Grendel]

Has he?

So have you...you inferred earlier that he had lied about another election. Now it's a u-turn.

Where has he said anything about calling for another election? If he has I'm unaware of it. I recall hearing him say that he wouldn't call for one. He hasn't called for one from what I can tell. He has predicted there will be one later this year or early next though.

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He called for an election this morning - there can't be an election unless he actually wants one - the parliament act is still in force.

 

[lifeskyblue]

He called for an election this morning - there can't be an election unless he actually wants one - the parliament act is still in force.

Yes it is but if a government loses a no confidence motion an election is called if it doesn't win another confidence motion within 14 days.


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[Sick Boy]

Labour has a six-point lead over the Tories, new poll finds

Article from the Independent based on an article in the Sunday Mail.

 

[Grendel]

Yes it is but if a government loses a no confidence motion an election is called if it doesn't win another confidence motion within 14 days.


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They won't lose a confidence motion though will they?

 

[Grendel]

Labour has a six-point lead over the Tories, new poll finds

Article from the Independent based on an article in the Sunday Mail.

I hate to break this to you but the election was last week.

 

[chiefdave]

You seem rather ignorant on British legislation.

How so?

A motion of no confidence, or censure motion, is a motion moved in the House of Commons with the wording: 'That this House has no confidence in HM Government'. If such a motion is agreed to, and a new government with the support of a majority of MPs cannot be formed within a period of 14 calendar days, Parliament is dissolved and an early General Election is triggered.

A motion of no confidence is one of only two ways in which an early General Election may be triggered under the terms of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011.

 

[chiefdave]

Didn't he claim in an interview that the Tory manifesto included £350m a week for the NHS? From a Labour perspective, he would be ideal.

Yes he did, was asked about the £350m plastered on the Brexit bus and said it was correct and in the manifesto!

Is this really the best option for the Conservatives?



Boris Johnson attacks Jeremy Corbyn over terror vote, then is told he voted the same way

 

[Sick Boy]

I hate to break this to you but the election was last week.

I will take that as a no then and that you're a bottler.

 

[Grendel]

I will take that as a no then and that you're a bottler.

Oh I'll take the bet if you like - I've not even said there won't be an election however if done deal is agreed with the unionists that will see them through the year.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

He called for an election this morning - there can't be an election unless he actually wants one - the parliament act is still in force.

He didn't call for one at all.

And only the government can call it...not the leader of the opposition. He can ask all he likes it's up to the PM/Gov't to call it

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[Grendel]

How so?

The unionists are hardly going to side with labour as indeed the independent won't and Tories won't vote against their own party so the only way it will happen is if the government cannot form any arrangement and then the Labour Party vote with it for an election rather than form a government of their own.

 

[chiefdave]

The unionists are hardly going to side with labour as indeed the independent won't and Tories won't vote against their own party so the only way it will happen is if the government cannot form any arrangement and then the Labour Party vote with it for an election rather than form a government of their own.

You believe the Conservative MPs are so happy with Mays performance there is zero chance of any voting against her?

 

[Grendel]

You believe the Conservative MPs are so happy with Mays performance there is zero chance of any voting against her?

It's no confidence in the government. An MP bringing down their own party? Good luck with that - no chance.

 

[torchomatic]

It's no confidence in the government. An MP bringing down their own party? Good luck with that - no chance.

You've got a short memory. That is what May has just done.

 

[Grendel]

You've got a short memory. That is what May has just done.

Maybe so but still they are the only party to be able to form a government.

 

[torchomatic]

Maybe so but still they are the only party to be able to form a government.

True. For the short term anyway.

 

[dutchman]

What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?

Corbyn won a moral victory. People who didn't vote for him last time will do next time. There will be a bandwagon effect.

 

[dutchman]

Maybe so but still they are the only party to be able to form a government.

That remains to be seen.

 

[rob9872]

Being higher than an unvoted for Gordon Brown isn't much of an achievement. That was a low point.

You see this I never understand. I didn't have a problem with Brown in charge and neither with May. I don't get this idea they were not elected. A party choose the leader not the electorate. My voting paper was for a choice of local candidates representing a party so it was Conservative v Labour and not May v Corbyn or Brown v Cameron.

 

[dutchman]

What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?

Not just me it seems:
Why the Tories are terrified of another poll
"Conservative MPs believe Jeremy Corbyn has the momentum to win more seats if there is another poll soon."

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Another good blog

Britain: The End of a Fantasy

 

[Sick Boy]

Another good blog

Britain: The End of a Fantasy

Saw that earlier, good read.

 

[clint van damme]

Corbyn won a moral victory. People who didn't vote for him last time will do next time. There will be a bandwagon effect.

as a Labour supporter I don't want another election. I want the torys to try and negotiate brexit in a minority government propped up by the DUP, it will finish them for years in this country.