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Nick

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So spend the money on raising the state school standard, it's the lack of resources as much as anything, not the people.

But as parents, why would they pump in 10 grand a year to a school that potentially won't make much difference to their child to benefit the other kids? I know it's selfish, but it's a fair bit of money so why would parents want to do that to pay for some kids who have no interest in learning?

I don't blame the teachers as individuals, I don't envy them at all.
 

Ashdown

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1) Lifelong education guarantee for any shortage profession up to degree level or trade equivalent. Some limits so people don't take the piss but generally if someone is in a shit job or no job and want to better themselves and the country needs more of that profession, there should be no barriers.

2) Free childcare from birth to 7 for 40 hours a week.

3) Three school types: Primary (7-10) Middle (11-14) Secondary (15-18) Comprehensive for the first two with tax on private schools. Secondary to be wide open to variety and competition. Trade schools, arts schools, grammars, whatever. At 18 choice of a proper apprenticeship, uni, or business startup support until 21.

4) Living wage for 21+. Increase social housing. Legislate for automation in utility/insurance/fiance switching so everyone is on the best deal at all times. Push self driving tech forward as much as possible. All times at bringing down living costs.

5) Immigration only for study, refugees or shortage jobs. Must offer apprenticeships to bring in high skill workers. Invest in R&D for replacing low end jobs like fruit picking and warehouse work. Crease British Productivity Agency: tasked with producing free and low cost tools and advice for improving productivity in British business.

6) Try to negotiate as close as we can to single market access without FoM. Doubt it could happen, but would accept high skill immigration or from countries with a certain standard of living. Not likely to not get vetoed though. In reality push for lowest possible trade barriers and cooperation on reaearch, climate, terrorism and policing.

7) Fund the NHS.

8) Bring in Land Value Tax to make it revenue neutral with council tax for most people, but hits high value property and promotes underused land. Give cash directly to local government and let them set rates. Legalise all drugs, some like cannabis regulated like alcohol and tobacco, others like crack and heroin more strongly controlled and monitored. Legalise prostitution. Tax everything, give it to the NHS/mental health services.

9) Update Data Protection Act to allow for automatic compensation for data created by UK citizens. Use this to rinse Facebook and Google of cash. Have opt out system for NHS data so we can utilise it to improve care and reduce costs.

10) Spread government around the country. Create English Parliament in Birmigham and reform Westminster to be a mix of representatives from each area of the UK. More power to local areas. Reform House of Lords so that it is selected by trade and industry bodies as well as places like the Royal Academies to fill it with specialists as well as a smattering of the usual lawyers, religious types and ex politicians.

11) St Georges Day off. Everyone gets their birthday off.
I like some of these points but free childcare from birth to 7 ?? Why should the state pay for peoples choice to have kids and besides kids need their parents at an early age.
 

shmmeee

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I like some of these points but free childcare from birth to 7 ?? Why should the state pay for peoples choice to have kids and besides kids need their parents at an early age.

Some kids would do a lot better with professional structured play, but that's not the main reason.

Kids grow up to pay taxes, well raised kids grow up to pay more taxes, working parents pay yet more taxes. The biggest chunk of the gap between rich and poor kids opens up in the pre-school years, early years intervention saves money over trying to do it in school at a later date, also saves money on policing and health interventions.

I agree that in an ideal world it'd be parents, and I'd be happy to pay a parent to stay off for those years (I'd tighten up the crap that means you can get more benefits for not working with a teenager though), but a lot of parents need to both work and it's better than nothing.

Also: that kid is a British citizen and has a right to the best start in life. His parent's disadvantage shouldn't be his problem.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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2) Free childcare from birth to 7 for 40 hours a week.

The following is not a dig at the manifesto, its a dig at modern UK life:

This country needs to massively re-calibrate its values, principles & approach to life.
What the fuck are we as a nation playing at.......how is it beneficial to effectively outsource your childs upbringing?

Transferring the responsibility of its welfare, physical & mental development & early learning to a group of young nursery workers earning the minimum wage, just so the parents can feel guilty whilst heading off to work full-time in order to service all the debt they have.

Whos winning here? The kids? The parents?

If we're going to go down this route, We'd be a far more healthy, happy & balanced society if the state just paid one of the parents to be exactly that....a full time parent until reception class starts at primary school, age 5.

My wife & I were fortunate enough (although we had to make significant financial sacrifices) to take the decision that our kids would NOT go to nursery until they could walk & talk......and even then, just for a couple mornings a week to aid their social development etc.

The thought of putting a 6 month old baby into full-time nursery seems, to me at least, like its bordering on neglect.

The attitude towards the idea of "family" in this country is fucking depressing.
 

Nick

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Don't agree with shipping kids off full time to other people for them to be brought up. I understand that people have to pay the bills so need to go to work.

For them to be well raised because the upbringing was outsourced what does that say? No doubt that a kid starting school who has been brought up better with more interaction, experiences and education would do better than a kid who has been dumped in front of a TV eating crisps for 4 years but not sure how it would work having free childcare all week?

Parents can have been disadvantaged but still want the best for their kids, if anything surely they should want to give them something different? Just whacking them into childcare full time isn't going to fix much.

At some point parents need to stop blaming everybody else and crack on with things. I'm by no means supernanny by the way!

I know people who have grown up in bad places but would now work 5 jobs to get the best for their kids, their kids are well mannered and well spoken and always dressed well etc. On the other hand I know people who have had a silver spoon who's kids are little pricks.
 

Ian1779

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Don't agree with shipping kids off full time to other people for them to be brought up.

Hang on... isn't this the much celebrated independent school model? Pack kids off so someone else brings them up?

At least with childcare you pick them up at the end of each day... not the end of 6 weeks.
 

Grendel

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Hang on... isn't this the much celebrated independent school model? Pack kids off so someone else brings them up?

At least with childcare you pick them up at the end of each day... not the end of 6 weeks.

No that is a boarding school so don't try and be smart. Most modern families gladly ship their kids off to baby farms as the are selfish and would put their "career" before their own children.
 

Grendel

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You really are a relentless arsehole.

No I'm not to try and suggest that is the choice of the independent elite is a joke and annoying

Read Nicks post and digest it
 

Grendel

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hill83

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or because they need two incomes to keep a roof over their heads.

We stuck it out until recently. He'll be 23 months when he starts. But we had help from grandparents before that as the mrs needed to go back part time. I earn a good wage but she's just been offered a full time role with a massive pay rise so nursery it is.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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All of our children have gone to nursery more for them to mix with other children than a financial reason we both have jobs were we could have arranged to keep them at home but chose not to.
 

Grendel

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I'm more than pleased with it patronising wanker. Fuck off.

No one is patronising anyone - in life everyone has a choice - when we had children my wife voluntarily gave up work and we substantially cut back on expenditure as we decided that was the correct thing to do = we lived on £12,000 a year in the days of 16% mortgage interest rates.
One things for sure I would not have wanted the taxpayer to pay to bring my children up
So you fuck off
 

Otis

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No that is a boarding school so don't try and be smart. Most modern families gladly ship their kids off to baby farms as the are selfish and would put their "career" before their own children.
Children before career every time for me. I took a £5,000 a year pay cut to spend more time with my daughter. Two job offers and one obviously much better paid, but much more unsociable hours.

Would do the exact same thing again all over if the situation ever arose.
 

hill83

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No one is patronising anyone - in life everyone has a choice - when we had children my wife voluntarily gave up work and we substantially cut back on expenditure as we decided that was the correct thing to do = we lived on £12,000 a year in the days of 16% mortgage interest rates.
One things for sure I would not have wanted the taxpayer to pay to bring my children up
So you fuck off

I don't give a flying fuck what you did. You are a sarky patronising prick consistently and I've decided to mention it. Fuck off.
 

Grendel

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Children before career every time for me. I took a £5,000 a year pay cut to spend more time with my daughter. Two job offers and one obviously much better paid, but much more unsociable hours.

Would do the exact same thing again all over if the situation ever arose again.

Good - so would I and my wife surrendered a professional career
 

Grendel

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I don't give a flying fuck what you did. You are a sarky patronising prick consistently and I've decided to mention it. Fuck off.

And you are an abusive sanctimonious prick when challenged -- look in the mirror
 

clint van damme

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How much does childcare as a percentage of second incomes cost?

I believe it's quite substantial nowadays but for some the extra few hundred quid is vital.
We were lucky with the (grand) parental support we received, something I'll be eternally grateful for. Not everyone has that luxury.
 

hill83

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And you are an abusive sanctimonious prick when challenged -- look in the mirror

One and the same then. c**t.
And for the record. I've not been challenged. I've just pointed out you are a patronising arsehole.
 

Grendel

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One and the same then. c**t.
And for the record. I've not been challenged. I've just pointed out you are a patronising arsehole.

And I've pointed out you are an abusive sanctimonious prick when challenged
 

clint van damme

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Children before career every time for me. I took a £5,000 a year pay cut to spend more time with my daughter. Two job offers and one obviously much better paid, but much more unsociable hours.

Would do the exact same thing again all over if the situation ever arose.

but not every one has a career. Some people just have jobs and need to get every penny they can through the door to keep the household running.
In this day and age, if one of you can give up work for a few years to look after the kids, then I reckon you're very lucky.
 

Otis

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Good - so would I and my wife surrendered a professional career
To be quite honest 9/11 completely altered my view on life and I really started to question my mortality. From that point on I always put family first and decided to try and live my life as if each day could be my last day on earth.

I retired at 50 to chauffeur my daughter up and down the country and still do so to this day. Don't regret a single second of it.
 

Covstu

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Just don't see how considering careers is selfish for the kids perspective as long as there is a balance. My wife reduced her hours initially but a good job opportunity arose so she took it. Full time nurseries are expensive but equally I had seen my kids develop a lot more that my niece who stayed at home at the same age.

The only real failure from our perspective is that we rarely get time together as a couple
 

Grendel

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To be quite honest 9/11 completely altered my view on life and I really started to question my mortality. From that point on I always put family first and decided to try and live my life as if each day could be my last day on earth.

I retired at 50 to chauffeur my daughter up and down the country and still do so to this day. Don't regret a single second of it.

No you shouldn't -- we give a huge percentage of our income to them and always have done - always will I guess.
 

Grendel

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Fuck me. You of all of people having the actual nerve to suggest someone is sanctimonious. Incredible.

To be fair you have a point - I apologise and didn't mean it personally - I have had a bad day - the baby farm comment was emotive and not neccessary
 

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