The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (153 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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SkyblueBazza said:
Had we remained, it was a leap into the dark there too. EU leaders may have taken it as a mandate for them to exert pressurise the UK to ditch the pound, joint armed forces and much more - whether any of those would be/have been good for the UK is also anyone's guess.

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What nonsense.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Sick Boy said:
What nonsense.
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Easy to say when there is no chance of it happening now. At least for the forseeable future.

The EU are Federally biased. They will manipulate any way they can to enuresis everyone is in the Euro & want full control over EU member states' foreign policy.

I voted remain - but things such as that were huge considerations for me...they don't like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring

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Sick Boy

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Grendel said:
Wee were assured there would be no eu armed forces - lie wasn't it?
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We were assured by leading leave campaigners that no was suggesting leaving the single market and that Turkey was on the verge of joining the EU.

Never understood all of the ager against the idea of an EU army personally. Then again, I'm from a family of migrants, so what do I know?
 
Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
We were assured by leading leave campaigners that no was suggesting leaving the single market and that Turkey was on the verge of joining the EU.

Never understood all of the ager against the idea of an EU army personally. Then again, I'm from a family of migrants, so what do I know?
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Let's deal with one issue at a time. Eu army lie or no lie?
 
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martcov

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Grendel said:
Well no because both results show how gullible and moronic the "youth vote" is.

On the one hand they cry and express anger and disgust at leaving the EU (without a single coherent argument why) and on the other hand see an elderly, socialist eu despising dinasaur as the bright future.

You can't legislate for stupidity and ignorance. In the end though they will be protected as the more sensible element of society still managed to come through.
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Make your mind up. Is the EU a right wing undemocratic quango or an elderly socialist EU? Or wtf are you on about?

You call the EU the peacetime equivalent of the third Reich.

The Third Reich in peacetime set about making Germany great again, withdrawing from the League of Nations, extending it's borders and regaining control of the Rheinland, introducing laws to discriminate against people they thought of as non Germans ( oriental merchants/ Jews ), imprisoning foreigners and using the threat of force to increase it's economic power. All in all a very hard "Brexit" type of policy.

Hardly like the EU with it's workplace regulations and free movement of labour.

No you cannot legislate for stupidity- luckily for you.
 
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martcov

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Grendel said:
Let's deal with one issue at a time. Eu army lie or no lie?
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We are a long way from an EU army. We are even further away from Turkey joining the EU.

So now tell us what certain benefits we get by going it alone. No vague and inaccurate claims of regaining the sovereignty which we never really lost.
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Easy to say when there is no chance of it happening now. At least for the forseeable future.

The EU are Federally biased. They will manipulate any way they can to enuresis everyone is in the Euro & want full control over EU member states' foreign policy.

I voted remain - but things such as that were huge considerations for me...they don't like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring

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The EU need a common foreign policy. The first EU foreign minister equivalent was British anyway. The EU is/ waS not a foreign body. We were part of it. So if there was manipulation- we were involved in some way.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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martcov said:
The EU need a common foreign policy. The first EU foreign minister equivalent was British anyway. The EU is/ waS not a foreign body. We were part of it. So if there was manipulation- we were involved in some way.
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Nah! Europeans have a history of cow-towing & non-invasive activity. That's what helped Nazi-Germany gain momentum imo.

Had Europe united against Nazi-Germany then maybe ww2 would not have happened. Even now non-nazi-Germany to a certain extent dictates EU policy. That's generally not good - unless you are German/living in Germany.

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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Nah! Europeans have a history of cow-towing & non-invasive activity. That's what helped Nazi-Germany gain momentum imo.

Had Europe united against Nazi-Germany then maybe ww2 would not have happened. Even now non-nazi-Germany to a certain extent dictates EU policy. That's generally not good - unless you are German/living in Germany.

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Britain was a major player and could have dominated the EU with France, Italy and Germany. Following your argument, it would have been better if Britain had stayed. Germany is more dominant now.
 
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martcov

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SkyblueBazza said:
Mmmm...on Germany's terms I suspect

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What would be those terms? Germany is in the centre of Europe surrounded by borders. Germany has 2 options. 1. have the mightiest army in Europe to protect itself and secure it's trade. Done that. Didn't go down too well. Or 2. be in the same club as it's European neighbors and trade peacefully.

2 works. Germany needs the EU. It needs a strong EU preferably including Britain. Any "terms" would be for the benefit of the EU - which we were part of.

Many here think that Germany prefers number 1. it doesn't.
 
SIR ERNIE

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Sick Boy said:
Just to let you know that I got a personal reply from an email that I sent to Guy Verhofstadt, albeit it 6 months later!

I was surprising as I thought all the EU cared about was money?
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Wow that must have been an exciting moment for you. Did you get your 'Guy Fixed it for Me' badge too?
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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chiefdave said:
The hunt for an EU army
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martcov said:
Well that's the first one dealt with. What's next ? Open borders? Forced joining if the Euro? Albanian membership?

As usual, distorted facts to wind the public up. Now Farage is asking youngsters to see the film Dunkirk. Turning the clock back to a mythical past.
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Grendel said:
Well no it isn't

EU army inevitable, says senior German official
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martcov

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Grendel said:
Well no it isn't

EU army inevitable, says senior German official
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Yes it is. Just because Herr Bartels and some others want a united military force doesn't mean that it must be 1 army. It doesn't mean that it will be compulsory and it doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon. But, sometime in the future it probably will happen in some form. Not necessarily in my lifetime. He named the countries who are interested in some form of unified military. Basically the same as in CD's post, but in Telegraph wind up sort of way.

Point being not compulsory and no plans for a 1 army solution. More leave BS.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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martcov said:
Yes it is. Just because Herr Bartels and some others want a united military force doesn't mean that it must be 1 army. It doesn't mean that it will be compulsory and it doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon. But, sometime in the future it probably will happen in some form. Not necessarily in my lifetime. He named the countries who are interested in some form of unified military. Basically the same as in CD's post, but in Telegraph wind up sort of way.

Point being not compulsory and no plans for a 1 army solution. More leave BS.
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So Herr Bartels is talking leave bullshit.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Let's move on to porky pie number two. Immediately upon voting leave we were told a grave consequence would be an emergency stealth budget imposing large tax hikes and swinging cuts. Erm didn't happen did it.
 
lifeskyblue

lifeskyblue

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SIR ERNIE said:
The real arrogance comes from those on here who believe that their 'remain' vote carries more validity than that of the leavers who didn't know what they were voting for.
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My point exactly. Anyone, remain or leave, who believes their vote is more valid than anyone else's shows breathtaking arrogance. The post, and it was from a leaver, implied greater knowledge and validity than the entire youth vote. Equally if I had just read that the entire vote by the elderly was less valid than a single poster I would have posted the same.


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chiefdave

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Grendel said:
Let's move on to porky pie number two. Immediately upon voting leave we were told a grave consequence would be an emergency stealth budget imposing large tax hikes and swinging cuts. Erm didn't happen did it.
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The IFS predict a £20 - 40bn hole in government finances as a result of brexit over the next few years. Are you suggesting we just rack that up as more debt or will there be further cuts and / or tax rises?
 
chiefdave

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chiefdave

chiefdave

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We all know politicians spout bullshit on all sides. The issue for me is that with the £350m a week claim you had something that had been debunked that was still being pushed bigtime. This wasn't someone saying something in an interview when put on the spot. It was plastered all over the bus.

Personally I can't think of a bigger, more often repeated, lie in any political campaign.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
Are you saying the government, whose report Osbourne pulled the figures from, are not as competent with the economy as most would have you believe. Totally agree.

Surely the key word there is could.
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No they were trying to deliberately frighten voters with a scare story of no substance.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
No concerns about increased tension between Russia and America, or North Korea firing off missles, or the issues with the Iran nuclear deal?
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Somehow I doubt Kim Jong Ill has suddenly decided to become a despot as we've left Europe
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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chiefdave said:
The IFS predict a £20 - 40bn hole in government finances as a result of brexit over the next few years. Are you suggesting we just rack that up as more debt or will there be further cuts and / or tax rises?
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some fairly worrying figures on gtowth and business confidence released by the BoE today though im sure theyll be dismissed by some on hete.
 
clint van damme

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some brexit campaigner just said the BoEs figures are a condpiracy between the boe, the cbi and the treasury- haha! imagine if a remainer said that about statistics that didnt fit their agenda!
 
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