vow
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Shudder.
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Irish Sky Blue
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And an attack containing Wilson, Baker, Moussa and Clark and with Christi at full back and Murphy in goal. A team that he partly dismantled himself for "footballing reasons."
covcity4life
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The season panned out with 8th place. Pressley didnt do that. The end
Please no more lies. Very Desperate
Please no more lies. Very Desperate
SkyBlueScottie
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10... 13, still shit and continuing the relegation form Grendel alluded to.
Skybluefaz
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Nah, the people with sense cba to chip in now. Mowbray fluffed promotion even though he had the best squad relatively in years. End of. Fact.
Grendel
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Where would they have finished without the ten point reduction? Answer 9th so as I say very similar.
covcity4life
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Recruited that team. If hes to blame for poor hes also to praise for good. Got us best finish in 10 years. And his players won the cup year later.
End of. Fact. I.d.s.t
covcity4life
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Grasping now. Can only go by facts. We didnt finish 8th or even near. If we start saying what if we can bring up anythinf after all.
vow
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Jimmy Saville was a mate of yours, was he?Recruited that team. If hes to blame for poor hes also to praise for good. Got us best finish in 10 years. And his players won the cup year later.
End of. Fact. I.d.s.t
Grendel
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Without the 10 point reduction that is the true position which is why their management records statistically are very very similar
covcity4life
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I inderstabs your point g but Without deduction may have been more pressure on players to finish top 6 and could have lost all our games etc
Too many variables.
Grendel
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But that's rubbish. Mowbrays team won what was it 4 of the last 5 games of that season getting the club back from 14th to 8th - that beyond doubt proves Mowbray is a failure under pressure.
He's a bottler end of
covcity4life
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What has that got to do with pts deductions?
The fact he went on a win streak shows hes not a bottler as we could have made playoffs right up until penultimate week because of that run
Besides does not change the point at hand. Fall away bottle mess up whsyeve ru wanna say. Best league finish in 10 years. 1 of our better managers.
The fact he went on a win streak shows hes not a bottler as we could have made playoffs right up until penultimate week because of that run
Besides does not change the point at hand. Fall away bottle mess up whsyeve ru wanna say. Best league finish in 10 years. 1 of our better managers.
Grendel
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No not one of our better managers as you have to weigh up;
Management experience
League the club is in
Relative resources against competition
On your argument Adams is the best manager we've had since John Sillett - clearly better than Mowbray - and robins will be better than Sillett if we finish higher than 8th
It's juvenile and simplistic
covcity4life
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I do rememeber adams as one if our better managers. I think alot of fans do.
Why is mowbray better than sillet? Lol you must like him more than i do!
And damn right if robins gets promotion i will remmeber him as one of the best cov managers too even if we do have resources to be amongst the favourites.
Please stop being juvenile and simplistic.
Why is mowbray better than sillet? Lol you must like him more than i do!
And damn right if robins gets promotion i will remmeber him as one of the best cov managers too even if we do have resources to be amongst the favourites.
Please stop being juvenile and simplistic.
Cov kid 55
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You promised me faithfully that you were never going to mention TM again...:yawn:
Irish Sky Blue
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As mentioned both Vincelot and Stokes did play centre half that season so did cover that position when needed. Surely you can only criticise if the players brought in were not very good. I think with regard to the centre half position only Ramage could be said to have failed. He either already had cover for Johnson or brought in cover quickly almost all of which was successful. (As in good players doing a good job)
Nick
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So if it was successful why are you going on about it not being Mowbray's fault because of injures to Johnson?
Vincelot played about 3 games while Mowbray tried a formation out at the end of the season didn't he? Why didn't he just slot him in there as soon as Johnson got injured.
skybluegod
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Can't believe I'm going to agree with cc4l, but I do have to say Mowbray does deserve some credit for what he did.
He deserves criticism for his recruitment last year of course he does, but he doesn't deserve half the shit he gets from some people.
As CC4L has said he achieved our best finish in 10 years and he played the best football for us in a long time. Yes we were in a good position for 3/4 months of the season and the fact we let that slip is disappointing but, he's the one that got us there, he's the one that built that team.
Last year was a shambles, but he had his budget slashed, and yes maybe he wasn't wrong for aiming too high in terms of players, he took a gamble and it failed, but he didn't sit there and steal a living, he knew he couldn't do anymore with the squad and had the balls to leave without pay and give someone else a shot. I have no doubt if robins had been approached then, he would have kept us up as he seemed to be able to get more out of the players than Mowbray or anybody else last season.
He deserves criticism for his recruitment last year of course he does, but he doesn't deserve half the shit he gets from some people.
As CC4L has said he achieved our best finish in 10 years and he played the best football for us in a long time. Yes we were in a good position for 3/4 months of the season and the fact we let that slip is disappointing but, he's the one that got us there, he's the one that built that team.
Last year was a shambles, but he had his budget slashed, and yes maybe he wasn't wrong for aiming too high in terms of players, he took a gamble and it failed, but he didn't sit there and steal a living, he knew he couldn't do anymore with the squad and had the balls to leave without pay and give someone else a shot. I have no doubt if robins had been approached then, he would have kept us up as he seemed to be able to get more out of the players than Mowbray or anybody else last season.
Irish Sky Blue
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Your point was there was no plan B for Johnson being injured. My point was that this was not the case shown by the cover already at the club and by the signings made that season. Four season ending injuries to four good centre halves and he still had contingencies in place.
skybluegod
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How did he have the best squad in years?
Last years squad- okay yes it was better than that seasons.
2014/15- in some ways yes, In some ways no. Lacking in strikers but pretty solid other than that.
2013/14- that squad was better imo- two quality strikers as well as a quality midfield
2012/13- again a much better squad, with a lot of good players in but mismanaged and points deduction let it down.
Skybluefaz
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Maddison, Cole, Murphy, Kent, Armstrong, Vincelot, Fleck. Plus quite a lot of depth in other positions. So much talent there. Absolutely wasted in the end.
Nick
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No, they were panic loans and it wasn't successful else we wouldn't have been relegated and people wouldn't have been using that.
For straight up CBs we had Martin and Johnson, yes Ricketts and Willis could cover there if needed but they mainly played Right Back first choice.
Even Slade did better bringing in an emergency defender than Ramage.
Irish Sky Blue
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We weren't relegated that season, we finished eighth. You said we had no cover for Johnson, we had 9 centre backs or players who could play there over the course of the season yet you say he was obsessed with strikers instead of looking at cover for centre half. We had nine players who could play centre half, only Ramage was poor. Four of those players had injuries that ended their season, should Mowbray have planned for such bad luck?
You say the loans were panic loans which suggests you don't think they were very good. We loaned Turner, Cargill and Stevens. Who out of those three was poor?
I would have thought that as signings, Clark, Foley, Folivi and the guy from Derby are on a par with Ramage with regard to the impact they made.
Nick
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Sorry yes, dropped down the table. The season after was when we needed defenders but he had wingers on trial.
Clark wasn't the best, but better than ramage was.
If Mowbray had such a great defence and such great cover, why are both you and him using it as an excuse?
Irish Sky Blue
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Just answering the comment that he had no plan B. You lose 4 good centre halves in a season it is hard to cover which is the point Mowbray was making.
Nick
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But you are saying he covered it perfectly well with good players so what's the problem?
Irish Sky Blue
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Not a problem. Just disagreeing with the point you made.
skybluegod
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Cole was never really fit for us, and didn't have a huge impact.
Ryan Kent was here for around a third of the season?
Maddison was and is a kid, that was injured for 3/4 months, and while yes very talented, was never the same player again after the injury?
We had fleck in all of the other seasons.
And Armstrong, Murphy, vincelot were all Mowbray signings!
It wasn't wasted, the young guns ran out of steam, and we clearly didn't have 'quite a lot of depth'
Up top we only had Armstrong which could find the net regularly. We had little cover for both Murphy and Armstrong when they burnt out which is why we slumped.
skybluetony176
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You have to compare eggs with eggs though. If we didn't have the 10 point deduction we would have finished on 61 points under Pressley. Which in the season we finished 8th on 69 points under Mowbray was only good enough for 14th. 2015-16 was a far tougher season in terms of of the ease points were available.
We also won more games, joint highest home win, highest away win and were 21 goals better of in goal difference.
covcity4life
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well said(bar the first sentence! lol) not sure how anyone could disagree. they have been proven wrong now
as for the guy who said he wasted fleck,wasnt he the ONLY manager to get fleck playing well iirc?
skybluetony176
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You were the one insisting he was a premier league manager when he turned up and jumped on me for being realistic about what standard he was pointing out that he was here because he was rebuilding his managerial career after abject failure. You then went on to be one of the first to push him of his pedestal you'd placed him on in order to gain likes by disagreeing with me.
Should have kept a level head in the first place like me and then you'd be able to take an adjective view on his tenure as a whole with us instead of the swinging from one extreme to the other in the blink of an eye that we've witnessed.
clint van damme
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beast who was integral to winning first silverware in 30 years. what did martin do for cov?
and getting us relegated with his Martinesque performances - poor business from Mowbray.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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covcity4life
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