olderskyblue
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I think it needed all sides to just accept it and move on, hence the Country showing a united front. Would maybe have put us in better shape for the negotiations
Never happen of course, that's why i said "I wonder if"
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I think it needed all sides to just accept it and move on, hence the Country showing a united front. Would maybe have put us in better shape for the negotiations
Never happen of course, that's why i said "I wonder if"
olderskyblue
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Grendel
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They will not agree as most of them love the Euro gravy train and don't want to leave.
The biggest laugh of the labour conference was the gullible idiotic youth waving Euro flags and being serenaded by Alistair Campbell with a set of bagpipes. I'm surprised the Euro Blair Monster didn't do a little dance as well.
clint van damme
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be interesting to see how it plays out in both parties. Still think it could be the issue that brings down Corbyn and that boris still has another u turn in him!
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The Macron dynasty will not be in charge for four centuries because of one vote in his favour.
Grendel
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So you want Europe in charge of the UK for four centuries regardless -good luck.
mrtrench
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Momentum were out in huge numbers during the election on social media, spreading disinformation and bile. They have abated for now but I understand they are plotting further unrest via other means - not looking forward to finding out what it is.
Anyway, their line appeared to be that Corbyn and McDonnell are not Marxists but moderates, supporting Social Democracy. This video clip exposes the lies - and also shows that McDonnell was looking forward for years for an economic disaster - what a horrible man.
Anyway, their line appeared to be that Corbyn and McDonnell are not Marxists but moderates, supporting Social Democracy. This video clip exposes the lies - and also shows that McDonnell was looking forward for years for an economic disaster - what a horrible man.
Captain Dart
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Exactly, Corbyn is bad enough but the grey haired madman standing by his side is a bigger threat to social order.
Captain Dart
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More Labour madness....
mrtrench
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When I was at school we had to lick the road clean for breakfast. And we thought we were lucky.
Grendel
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RegTheDonk
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To say half of kids in a classroom suffer from a mental health issue is sick to be honest. People with MH problems need to be properly recognised, assessed and treated - not have idiots like this use it as a bandwaggon trying to score points.
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The Face of Labour,You couldn't make it up!!
Grendel
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The youth of today
mrtrench
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Far more than the youth; (guesses here): 2% revolutionary communists; 10% youth; 10% sounds great; 20% always voted Labour, always will. The Jews that left Germany in 1935 were wise.
Sick Boy
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I see that his other Tweets are erm, interesting.
Transgenders are mentally ill? Black people are relacing the 'ingenious' population of London? White genocide?
It's hardly a surprise that a certain selection of posters spread these bigots' bile though.
Vile.
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Ian1779
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You might have a point about the bandwagon - but the message behind it I'd say is pretty accurate.
ccfctommy
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The person speaking in the vid?
Sick Boy
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No the Twitter account sharing it.
clint van damme
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indeed - Young Tory activists send vile messages about 'gassing chavs' | Metro News
but only an idiot would thing that they in some way represent the whole of the tory party, no such common sense displayed by the Labour bashers!
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Typical of the right, that.
mrtrench
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Fair point.
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Disappointed in this. We may be polar opposites politically, but I always had you down as one of the more sensible fasicts/tories
on ths board.I am not stupid, but I can get behind a social democratic manifesto as outlined by the Labour Party in the last election - a manifesto not far removed from policies run by a number of perfectly forward looking European (not EU!) economies. I can also believe that although a Keynesian model may have become unfashionable post Thatcher/Reagan and monetarism... it's the way to improve a country and economy. Hell, even the US under Obama commissioned capital projects to boost the economy.
On a more basic level, I also think that nationalisation of state industries is also fine. If it's railways, the cross-subsidisation of profitable routes to pay for the loss making ones seems far more sensible than allowing outside investors (often from foreign countries) to take the profits, whilst we have to subsidise the loss-making routes. I also believe it's better to subsidise jobs than pay for unemployment benefit - same cost, but more advantage to the economy. Furthermore, I consider it morally bankrupt for shareholders to profit from people having running water, sewage facilities, and electricity.
Does that put me in any of the above categories? Nope. It's as much as me suggesting all Tory voters are either old, posh, toffs, self-centred bigots, or mad.
Grendel
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Disappointed in this. We may be polar opposites politically, but I always had you down as one of the more sensible fasicts/tories
I am not stupid, but I can get behind a social democratic manifesto as outlined by the Labour Party in the last election - a manifesto not far removed from policies run by a number of perfectly forward looking European (not EU!) economies. I can also believe that although a Keynesian model may have become unfashionable post Thatcher/Reagan and monetarism... it's the way to improve a country and economy. Hell, even the US under Obama commissioned capital projects to boost the economy.
On a more basic level, I also think that nationalisation of state industries is also fine. If it's railways, the cross-subsidisation of profitable routes to pay for the loss making ones seems far more sensible than allowing outside investors (often from foreign countries) to take the profits, whilst we have to subsidise the loss-making routes. I also believe it's better to subsidise jobs than pay for unemployment benefit - same cost, but more advantage to the economy. Furthermore, I consider it morally bankrupt for shareholders to profit from people having running water, sewage facilities, and electricity.
Does that put me in any of the above categories? Nope. It's as much as me suggesting all Tory voters are either old, posh, toffs, self-centred bigots, or mad.
When listening to the radio I bet your favourite programme is sounds of the 70's
clint van damme
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Disappointed in this. We may be polar opposites politically, but I always had you down as one of the more sensible fasicts/tories
I am not stupid, but I can get behind a social democratic manifesto as outlined by the Labour Party in the last election - a manifesto not far removed from policies run by a number of perfectly forward looking European (not EU!) economies. I can also believe that although a Keynesian model may have become unfashionable post Thatcher/Reagan and monetarism... it's the way to improve a country and economy. Hell, even the US under Obama commissioned capital projects to boost the economy.
On a more basic level, I also think that nationalisation of state industries is also fine. If it's railways, the cross-subsidisation of profitable routes to pay for the loss making ones seems far more sensible than allowing outside investors (often from foreign countries) to take the profits, whilst we have to subsidise the loss-making routes. I also believe it's better to subsidise jobs than pay for unemployment benefit - same cost, but more advantage to the economy. Furthermore, I consider it morally bankrupt for shareholders to profit from people having running water, sewage facilities, and electricity.
Does that put me in any of the above categories? Nope. It's as much as me suggesting all Tory voters are either old, posh, toffs, self-centred bigots, or mad.
aren't several of our utility companies owned by nationalised foreign utilities who take the profits from ours - seems crazy if so.
rondog1973
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Saw a documentary featuring this Mark Collett fella a few years back. The programme was about the BNP and I'm pretty sure the show concluded with Collett flouncing out of the party because they weren't right wing enough.
Just saying...
mrtrench
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Disappointed in this. We may be polar opposites politically, but I always had you down as one of the more sensible fasicts/tories
I am not stupid, but I can get behind a social democratic manifesto as outlined by the Labour Party in the last election - a manifesto not far removed from policies run by a number of perfectly forward looking European (not EU!) economies. I can also believe that although a Keynesian model may have become unfashionable post Thatcher/Reagan and monetarism... it's the way to improve a country and economy. Hell, even the US under Obama commissioned capital projects to boost the economy.
On a more basic level, I also think that nationalisation of state industries is also fine. If it's railways, the cross-subsidisation of profitable routes to pay for the loss making ones seems far more sensible than allowing outside investors (often from foreign countries) to take the profits, whilst we have to subsidise the loss-making routes. I also believe it's better to subsidise jobs than pay for unemployment benefit - same cost, but more advantage to the economy. Furthermore, I consider it morally bankrupt for shareholders to profit from people having running water, sewage facilities, and electricity.
Does that put me in any of the above categories? Nope. It's as much as me suggesting all Tory voters are either old, posh, toffs, self-centred bigots, or mad.
Does that put you in the 10% "sounds great"? It wasn't intended to be pejorative. And BTW, I'm not a Tory. Well, I am at the moment because I am so scared of Labour, but I used to be a member of the Labour party and also voted Labour as recently as the mid naughties. Have also voted Liberal and Green in my day.
I'm interested that you bring up Keynes. The biggest dividing line between parties, IMO, is their economic model. The majority of politicians all want prosperity for all and the argument is/should be about the best model to achieve that. Keynes' work was seminal, blowing away the neo-classical approach of laissez-faire with respect to unemployment. I agree there is still much to learn from Keynes, especially his proactive spending plans during recession/paying it back during growth. As I'm sure you know, he did believe government had to pay it back. One cannot just cherry pick the 'spend during recession' and ignore the 'pay it back' - which is what Brown and Balls did. People complain about the debt continuing to rise but forget the PFI commitments made by Brown. Those alone must be a hefty chunk of this year's deficit.
However, economic theory moves on, learning from the past and improving. When the utilities were nationalised after the war, it was believed that motivation and investment would continue without the profit motivation. That was wrong - hence the attempt to privatise. There is no correct answer. However, on to the Labour manifesto...
Fully-costed they said. What a load of old arse. It would be completely irresponsible to spend that much money given the present situation. And to pretend that raising corporation and income tax would pay for most of it is disingenuous in the extreme. Tax take is the important factor, not tax rates. He will not get close to the income he believes - and he'll damage the economy with much greater borrowing. Investment and capital will leave in droves - it's a nightmare scenario IMO.
However by far the biggest reason for avoiding Labour like the plague is what they aren't saying in the manifesto but will do. They are dressing themselves up in sheeps' clothing but the ones with the power are Marxists, not matter how much they now refuse to answer the question when it is put to them. They will not only tax heavily but also seize capital with a wealth tax. I am absolutely petrified of them. I have always taken pride in paying my taxes and over the years I have paid an awful lot of it. However, I won't have the piss taken out of me; they will not take the money I have saved over 35 years of bloody long hours. I will not be alone in avoiding McDonnell's capital and tax raid - and that is why I wrote that the Jews that left in 1935 were wise. I won't be the only one - and that is why he won't get the cash he believes he will through taxation.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Interesting to read the comments here and watch this week's Question Time with the usual caricature of Corbyn the madman of the 'hard left' who never costs anything and wants the state to control everything a la Venezuela and Cuba.
Shows how far to the right we have been dragged when proposing investment in education, raising the minimum wage and wanting to take rail out of foreign ownership makes you 'hard left'. Read the manifestos from the election and see who made more attempt at costing their pledges, it wasn't Mrs May.
Shows how far to the right we have been dragged when proposing investment in education, raising the minimum wage and wanting to take rail out of foreign ownership makes you 'hard left'. Read the manifestos from the election and see who made more attempt at costing their pledges, it wasn't Mrs May.
skybluetony176
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I bet your favourite record on that show is the broken one.
skybluetony176
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Think I saw that too. Loves hitler and hates homosexuals IIRC.
Sick Boy
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His wife is a neo-nazi and has a swastika tattooed on her chest. Lovely people.
SIR ERNIE
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Spot on. I know for a fact that there are plenty who are already taking steps to safeguard their wealth from day one of a Labour election victory.
Sick Boy
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No matter what some claim, the state of the Conservatives at the moment makes it almost inevitable.