The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (54 Viewers)

[Astute]

Let's not forget the non British soldiers who were fighting as part of the British army and those Poles who took part in the battle of Britain.

It's also a disgrace that the likes of Farage and the rest of the far right mob hijack the bravery of those at Dunkirk for their political gains. Those who sacrificed their lives certainly didn't die for his type of dog whistle racism and politics.

The EU referendum gets weirder as Cameron fears WW3 and Boris sings in German

 

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[Astute]

I think the there is going to be a major issue with your retirement plan of touring Europe post-Brexit.

Don't you mean 'could be'?

I think there could be also.

 

[Astute]

Yet another lie. I clearly stated that this was due to my residency application. I wouldn't have been able to rent a property legally without it.

I'm all for freedom of movement being kept without visas.

I thought that you was born here. If you were then you will be British with a British passport. That is unless you didn't want one and took up a different national status and didn't want to be British anymore.

 

[Sick Boy]

Don't you mean 'could be'?

I think there could be also.

I hope not but I think it is going to be hard to avoid as a 3rd country.

 

[Sick Boy]

I thought that you was born here. If you were then you will be British with a British passport. That is unless you didn't want one and took up a different national status and didn't want to be British anymore.

I'm talking about Italy. At the moment I only have an Irish passport but am in the process of renewing my British passport.

 

[Astute]

I'm talking about Italy. At the moment I only have an Irish passport but am in the process of renewing my British passport.

So you are renting in Italy and Brighton?

 

[Astute]

I'm talking about Italy. At the moment I only have an Irish passport but am in the process of renewing my British passport.

Why would you have a problem renting if you are British and have had a British passport before?

 

[Sick Boy]

So you are renting in Italy and Brighton?

No, I used to rent in Italy. I was talking about my experience there before.

 

[Astute]

No, I used to rent in Italy. I was talking about my experience there before.

Excuse me for being thick and intrusive but why do they have an Irish passport and not British if you was born in the UK?

 

[Sick Boy]

Excuse me for being thick and intrusive but why do they have an Irish passport and not British if you was born in the UK?

I have had both since I was a child. My British one has expired so need to get it renewed.

 

[Astute]

I have had both since I was a child. My British one has expired so need to get it renewed.

So why wasn't your Irish passport good enough for renting in Italy? It is an EU passport.

 

[Sick Boy]

So why wasn't your Irish passport good enough for renting in Italy? It is an EU passport.

You need to register as a resident there if you want to live there for more than 3 months. It's not citizenship.

This means that at your local commune have all details of people living there.

 

[Astute]

You need to register as a resident there if you want to live there for more than 3 months. It's not citizenship.

This means that at your local commune have all details of people living there.

So what is wrong with an Irish passport? It is an EU passport. There shouldn't be a problem with freedom of movement.

 

[Sick Boy]

So what is wrong with an Irish passport? It is an EU passport. There shouldn't be a problem with freedom of movement.

There is nothing wrong with it?

 

[Grendel]

There is nothing wrong with it?

But you can’t stay beyond 3 months in Italy with it?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I think the there is going to be a major issue with your retirement plan of touring Europe post-Brexit.

That's what I feel many remainers want, so that it will 'teach the brexiteers a lesson'.

Yes, things will change, but Astute's retirement plans won't be one of them. You know that deep down, but I guess we're still seeing some dribbles of project fear. Who can blame you though, as so many people seem to want to believe it.

 

[Astute]

There is nothing wrong with it?

You said you needed a UK passport to be able to rent.

 

[Sick Boy]

That's what I feel many remainers want, so that it will 'teach the brexiteers a lesson'.

Yes, things will change, but Astute's retirement plans won't be one of them. You know that deep down, but I guess we're still seeing some dribbles of project fear. Who can blame you though, as so many people seem to want to believe it.

It's the last thing I want. Why I would be so selfish t actively want future generations not to be able to live and travel freely across Europe.

Sadly as a 3rd country it is unlikely that Astute will be able to spend so much time over there.

 

[Sick Boy]

You said you needed a UK passport to be able to rent.

Where?

 

[Astute]

That's what I feel many remainers want, so that it will 'teach the brexiteers a lesson'.

Yes, things will change, but Astute's retirement plans won't be one of them. You know that deep down, but I guess we're still seeing some dribbles of project fear. Who can blame you though, as so many people seem to want to believe it.

Nothing can be guaranteed until any deal is signed. Even then rules can be changed. And they seem to want to push a lot of changes through. I might get limited on time allowed in each country for instance.

 

[Sick Boy]

Nothing can be guaranteed until any deal is signed. Even then rules can be changed. And they seem to want to push a lot of changes through. I might get limited on time allowed in each country for instance.

It'll likely be limited to the Schengen Zone. However, I do think that freedom of movement for tourists and those with an actual job offer could be mainrained.

 

[Astute]

Why? According to you there are police banging in your door now if you stay for over 90 days.

Yet another lie. I clearly stated that this was due to my residency application. I wouldn't have been able to rent a property legally without it.

I'm all for freedom of movement being kept without visas.

I thought that you was born here. If you were then you will be British with a British passport. That is unless you didn't want one and took up a different national status and didn't want to be British anymore.

I'm talking about Italy. At the moment I only have an Irish passport but am in the process of renewing my British passport.

You need to register as a resident there if you want to live there for more than 3 months. It's not citizenship.

This means that at your local commune have all details of people living there.

You have me lost.

You need a British passport for renting in Italy but you have an Irish one?

 

[Sick Boy]

You have me lost.

You need a British passport for renting in Italy but you have an Irish one?

No sorry I was responding to you asking about why I have an Irish passport.

 

[Astute]

It'll likely be limited to the Schengen Zone. However, I do think that freedom of movement for tourists and those with an actual job offer could be mainrained.

I'm not taking anything for granted. We could still have a no deal yet. Then I can see it getting very messy.

Many EU countries rely on tourism. But many also rely on trade. They are not in a hurry to sort out any of it.

When we lose the freedom of movement will we lose the freedom to roam even though we will be able to show proof of funds and will be taking our own roof over our heads?

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm not taking anything for granted. We could still have a no deal yet. Then I can see it getting very messy.

Many EU countries rely on tourism. But many also rely on trade. They are not in a hurry to sort out any of it.

When we lose the freedom of movement will we lose the freedom to roam even though we will be able to show proof of funds and will be taking our own roof over our heads?

Who knows? I would hope not as then it is only an option avaliable to those who are financially well off.

In my late teens it was great being able to jump on a flight and go anywhere in Europe for as long as I wanted without any firms plans apart from meeting up with friends and having a place to stay for a few nights.

 

[clint van damme]

It's pretty standard. Most leavers will bash the EU, but they will at least highlight that it does have its good bits too. Most remainers seem to just want argue water isn't wet with the EU even when it's quite clear there are flaws.

It makes for a painful and pretty pointless debate.

why don't the Government release the Brexit impact reports then? Surely that would ease everyone's fears.
Unless of course what they contain doesn't paint the rosy picture that some make out.

 

[martcov]

“Scum like Farage, Gove and Johnson. They like to recommend films like Dunkirk to encourage the plucky Brit image”


I find it deeply offensive that you should use terms such as ‘scum’ and ‘plucky Brit’ to disparagingly refer to the evacuation of Dunkirk.

The bravery, heroism and personal sacrifice of those involved in the Battle of France and the miraculous evacuation of Dunkirk should forever be remembered and honoured. Plucky doesn’t even come close, it’s an insult.

Rather than take every opportunity to denigrate this country, you would do well to learn from the qualities of those who fought for the freedom you now enjoy.

In this instance, if anyone is scum, it’s you.

It is Farage who is using the bravery of people who were fighting extreme nationalism to create an image of plucky Brits fighting the evil EU. Many Brits wanted an end to wars in Europe and for things like Dunkirk never to happen again. The EU started as a project for Europe to work and trade together after the war.

Farage should never have tried to associate himself with the heroism of Dunkirk for political purposes. He is scum - not me. I am just sickened by what Farage was trying to invoke.

Brexit has brought out nationalism and national selfishness, and Farage is one person who, from singing Nazi songs on schoolboy drinking sessions, being noted as a right wing extremist by teachers and classmates, has now embarked on supporting Bannon and the AFD - in this case on behalf of Hitler’s finance minister’s grand daughter. I think he is tactically ignoring why Dunkirk happened.

 

[martcov]

The UK wants to make a deal securing the rights of people already living here. It is the EU refusing to talk about residency rights.

So the EU needs to take control of our banks to help the rich?

No. It is all about taking 100% control of countries in the EU.

So Trump.is the biggest bullshitter in the world. But you are prepared to quote him when you can't think of anything else as to the reason why if we stay in the EU we would have to give up control of our own armed forces and hand them over to the EU.

I would prefer us to be an ally of the USA than give over full control to Juncker and his pals and whoever takes over from them next that we wouldn't get a say in.


Are they bollox.

I like the way you put in about the exchequer. That part wasn't mentioned by juncker. What he said is that there will be a Chancellor for the EU.

Would you like to tell everyone who the Chancellor for Germany is?

Just in case you try to bullshit this part as well I will answer it for you. The Chancellor of Germany is Merkel.


You call it progress?

We wouldn't have a say as usual. We didn't even want Juncker.

We are not after handouts like most of the EU countries. We wouldn't want to lose control of everything to the EU. The monster is getting out of control. And the German amongst us is all for it.

The EU already supervises the banks. That is one of the three pillars. Juncker wants to complete the banking union. He wants the EU to ensure that all citizens have a percentage ( 80% ) of their savings covered should there be a run on any country’s banks. At the moment some states cover saving by 50%, others don’t cover savings if there is a run on the banks in their country. The last pillar pools resources from all countries to insure the savers of any one country. This is about protecting the poor, not the rich.

Nowhere does Juncker say he wants the EU to take control of any country. The Mail says “Juncker plots”.... Juncker made something like the Queen’s speech laying out the Commission’s policy agenda. It has to be approved by the Parliament and The European Council. Juncker is certainly not plotting if he is announcing the policy agenda in public.

The USA has different strategic aims than Europe. We got caught up in those with Blair. I think a European defence force would be better for Europeans. I am not interested in Twitter wars between loud mouthed idiots. Let’s stick to what matters for Europe.

You seem to have difficulty reading the Mail. The Mail refers to a chancellor. The Mail is English and means Chancellor of the Exchequer. The German translation of Juncker’s speech refers to a Finanzminister. Finanzminister = Chancellor of the Exchequer ( or literally - The Minister of Finance).

Try the Express next time.

A cohesive tax and finance policy would increase stability and make it less likely for a single country to end up like Greece. I thought we both wanted that.

There would also be a transfer system from countries with a surplus to help countries like Greece who both you and I agree will never get out of it’s mess alone.

The FDP has already said it won’t wear a transfer system as it would encourage countries to spend knowing that the richer ones would bail them out in the end. So, there is a lot to be debated on the subject, but Juncker is right to put it on the agenda. Problems have to be talked about and then solved.

 

[Astute]

It is Farage who is using the bravery of people who were fighting extreme nationalism to create an image of plucky Brits fighting the evil EU. Many Brits wanted an end to wars in Europe and for things like Dunkirk never to happen again. The EU started as a project for Europe to work and trade together after the war.

Farage should never have tried to associate himself with the heroism of Dunkirk for political purposes. He is scum - not me. I am just sickened by what Farage was trying to invoke.

Brexit has brought out nationalism and national selfishness, and Farage is one person who, from singing Nazi songs on schoolboy drinking sessions, being noted as a right wing extremist by teachers and classmates, has now embarked on supporting Bannon and the AFD - in this case on behalf of Hitler’s finance minister’s grand daughter. I think he is tactically ignoring why Dunkirk happened.

Are you ignoring the link I put up earlier when Cameron used it as a reason why we should stay in the EU?

 

[Astute]

The EU already supervises the banks. That is one of the three pillars. Juncker wants to complete the banking union. He wants the EU to ensure that all citizens have a percentage ( 80% ) of their savings covered should there be a run on any country’s banks. At the moment some states cover saving by 50%, others don’t cover savings if there is a run on the banks in their country. The last pillar pools resources from all countries to insure the savers of any one country. This is about protecting the poor, not the rich.

Nowhere does Juncker say he wants the EU to take control of any country. The Mail says “Juncker plots”.... Juncker made something like the Queen’s speech laying out the Commission’s policy agenda. It has to be approved by the Parliament and The European Council. Juncker is certainly not plotting if he is announcing the policy agenda in public.

The USA has different strategic aims than Europe. We got caught up in those with Blair. I think a European defence force would be better for Europeans. I am not interested in Twitter wars between loud mouthed idiots. Let’s stick to what matters for Europe.

You seem to have difficulty reading the Mail. The Mail refers to a chancellor. The Mail is English and means Chancellor of the Exchequer. The German translation of Juncker’s speech refers to a Finanzminister. Finanzminister = Chancellor of the Exchequer ( or literally - The Minister of Finance).

Try the Express next time.

A cohesive tax and finance policy would increase stability and make it less likely for a single country to end up like Greece. I thought we both wanted that.

There would also be a transfer system from countries with a surplus to help countries like Greece who both you and I agree will never get out of it’s mess alone.

The FDP has already said it won’t wear a transfer system as it would encourage countries to spend knowing that the richer ones would bail them out in the end. So, there is a lot to be debated on the subject, but Juncker is right to put it on the agenda. Problems have to be talked about and then solved.

Come on Mart. Why do you have to twist the truth when trying to defend the EU?

Juncker said Chancellor. It would be to rule over all countries in the EU including financially

Merkel’s party cool on Juncker’s single EU president idea

 

[Astute]

How about replying to this Mart?

Juncker’s uni-vision for Europe

Juncker wants to be in charge of the EU

 

[Sick Boy]

"As with all big EU decisions, most of Juncker’s vision — including his call for a shift away from the unanimity required for big EU decisions — will require the unanimous approval of EU leaders."

Doesn't sound much like a dictatorship to me.

 

[Astute]

"As with all big EU decisions, most of Juncker’s vision — including his call for a shift away from the unanimity required for big EU decisions — will require the unanimous approval of EU leaders."

Doesn't sound much like a dictatorship to me.

Is your comment supposed to be ironic?

He wants to be able to make big changes without there being a unanimous vote. He wants his role to be extended to be the one steering the ship.

And how about the rest of it?

 

[fernandopartridge]

"As with all big EU decisions, most of Juncker’s vision — including his call for a shift away from the unanimity required for big EU decisions — will require the unanimous approval of EU leaders."

Doesn't sound much like a dictatorship to me.

The EU leaders are not the people as such though, they're often europhiles who wave such decisions through without consulting their own people

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[martcov]

Are you ignoring the link I put up earlier when Cameron used it as a reason why we should stay in the EU?

No, I missed it. But, I was going to say, imagine if a remainer had dared to use Dunkirk as a reason to vote remain.