Oh Jeremy Corbyn (24 Viewers)

[Astute]

We don’t know, but something has to give. I think the Tories have had it. Corbyn can flip either way.

We do know. Juncker said we can't cherry pick what we want.

Corbyn wants out. Or are you calling him a liar?

 

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[Astute]

Yes, but it doesn’t work like that. They just postponed my language exam here until the end of January. I need that for my German/ EU citizenship. Really annoying. Got all other details. They could now say get them all again as by January they are out of date. End of January I am in Berlin and I don’t know how I can be in two places at once.. Haven’t had a vote for years - apart from municipal elections.

So you need a German language exam but in the UK you don't?

 

[Astute]

There's a gulf of difference... like abstaining to vote on a pause of Universal Credit, driving the NHS and education sector to absolute ruin so it can turn a profit for their investor friends. Labour may not be perfect at all but compared to the vile, nasty, spiteful party who would see people starve to death rather than reduce the profit margin of companies that pay fuck all tax in the first place??

Luckily most of the public have finally woken up to the fact they've been a doormat for so long.

So what do you think of Juncker setting up the tax dodges when he was PM and finance minister of Luxembourg when it was all done?

And now he runs the EU.

 

[Astute]

You give a reasonable topic and let's debate away....

Juncker was in full charge of Luxembourg when the tax dodges started. He was PM and finance minister at the same time. The tax dodges have cost billions each year in lost tax. Yet he is still one of the top 2 in running the EU. The EU are said to be looking into how it was all set up.

Do you think Juncker should be suspended while the EU investigation into the tax dodge is looked into?

He can influence who he needs to whilst in his position. And most people will say that it isn't a proper investigation if he is still in charge.

If you think he should still be in charge whilst the EU look into what happened when he was running the country would you like to explain why?

 

[dutchman]

A citizen should have a vote for life, IMO.

Yes ONE vote, and only in the country where they actually live!

 

[Sick Boy]

So you need a German language exam but in the UK you don't?

Yes you do.

Prove your knowledge of English for citizenship and settling - GOV.UK

 

[Sick Boy]

Yes they should.

Mart is a German citizen and has been for many years.

He is a resident not a citizen, hence why he's applying. Presumably you therefore think that all the EU who have lived and paid taxes in the UK for years should also have had a say in a recent referendum?

 

[clint van damme]

Because labour are saints are they? You can’t use one stick with the tories and not with labour. May is awful, but Labour and Corbyn are no better.

they've never been in Government under Corbyn, you can't say that for sure. We can say for sure that this government is appalling.

 

[Sick Boy]

Juncker was in full charge of Luxembourg when the tax dodges started. He was PM and finance minister at the same time. The tax dodges have cost billions each year in lost tax. Yet he is still one of the top 2 in running the EU. The EU are said to be looking into how it was all set up.

Do you think Juncker should be suspended while the EU investigation into the tax dodge is looked into?

He can influence who he needs to whilst in his position. And most people will say that it isn't a proper investigation if he is still in charge.

If you think he should still be in charge whilst the EU look into what happened when he was running the country would you like to explain why?

Why are you bringing your Juncker obsession into this thread as well?

 

[Ian1779]

Juncker was in full charge of Luxembourg when the tax dodges started. He was PM and finance minister at the same time. The tax dodges have cost billions each year in lost tax. Yet he is still one of the top 2 in running the EU. The EU are said to be looking into how it was all set up.

Do you think Juncker should be suspended while the EU investigation into the tax dodge is looked into?

He can influence who he needs to whilst in his position. And most people will say that it isn't a proper investigation if he is still in charge.

If you think he should still be in charge whilst the EU look into what happened when he was running the country would you like to explain why?

I'd suspend him in a heartbeat. But then I've never commented on Juncker, nor claim to be an expert on the EU.

 

[skybluegod]

they've never been in Government under Corbyn, you can't say that for sure. We can say for sure that this government is appalling.

It’s all a matter of opinions though. I don’t like May, I think the Tories were good under Cameron though. However you cannot say anything for sure in politics. And I still think May is better than the alternative

 

[Astute]

Yes you do.

Prove your knowledge of English for citizenship and settling - GOV.UK

I hold.my hand up and say I was wrong.

Wish others could be man enough to do the same.

 

[Astute]

Why are you bringing your Juncker obsession into this thread as well?

Because of those that try to defend his actions but attack those for doing much lessthan he has.

 

[mrtrench]

There's a gulf of difference... like abstaining to vote on a pause of Universal Credit, driving the NHS and education sector to absolute ruin so it can turn a profit for their investor friends. Labour may not be perfect at all but compared to the vile, nasty, spiteful party who would see people starve to death rather than reduce the profit margin of companies that pay fuck all tax in the first place??

Luckily most of the public have finally woken up to the fact they've been a doormat for so long.

Here we go again, the old 'vile' chestnut. It's not vile to work within constraints to do the best for the country that is feasible; to reduce tax for the lowest paid; to create an environment which creates jobs and opportunities. It's certainly very different from your views on how to optimise the country - but it's still a philosophy that is attempting to optimise. Not vile, just sensible and recognising constraints.

And who are these people starving to death in the UK then? Nobody, right? So let's pretend that there are to justify my nutcase mate Jezza... a fuckwit who would destroy the country's economy within 3 years. I won't call him vile, because I know that he thinks he's trying to optimise too - he's just wrong and not very bright.

 

[clint van damme]

Here we go again, the old 'vile' chestnut. It's not vile to work within constraints to do the best for the country that is feasible; to reduce tax for the lowest paid; to create an environment which creates jobs and opportunities. It's certainly very different from your views on how to optimise the country - but it's still a philosophy that is attempting to optimise. Not vile, just sensible and recognising constraints.

And who are these people starving to death in the UK then? Nobody, right? So let's pretend that there are to justify my nutcase mate Jezza... a fuckwit who would destroy the country's economy within 3 years. I won't call him vile, because I know that he thinks he's trying to optimise too - he's just wrong and not very bright.

surely if the countrys economy was destroyed within 3 years of labour being elected it would be the tories fault. They're still blaming Labour for our economic woes 7 years after the last labour government after all!

 

[SIR ERNIE]

May hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing... and her morally bankrupt government and party are essentially the SISU of politics.

May is a poor leader and the Conservative Party are a shambles but Corbyn and McDonnells Marxist alternative will bankrupt the country and the fact that you've swallowed the line that their manifesto was costed says it all.

 

[Astute]

surely if the countrys economy was destroyed within 3 years of labour being elected it would be the tories fault. They're still blaming Labour for our economic woes 7 years after the last labour government after all!

Of course they will blame each other. They always have and always will.

 

[clint van damme]

May is a poor leader and the Conservative Party are a shambles but Corbyn and McDonnells Marxist alternative will bankrupt the country and the fact that you've swallowed the line that their manifesto was costed says it all.

it was costed. You may dispute the costings, you may say they don't add up, but unlike the tory manifesto it was costed.

 

[Astute]

it was costed. You may dispute the costings, you may say they don't add up, but unlike the tory manifesto it was costed.

What was costed?

They changed their mind when they found out how much it would have cost.

And then a few on here said it didn't matter as Labour didn't get in.

 

[clint van damme]

What was costed?

They changed their mind when they found out how much it would have cost.

And then a few on here said it didn't matter as Labour didn't get in.

like I said, you can disagree with it but it was costed. And once again we're discussing a manifesto that will never be implemented why giving the sitting government a pass on not implementing their key policies. Deficit wiped out by 2015 wasn't it? Actually it's increased, quick, let's start going on about Corbyn!!

 

[Ian1779]

Here we go again, the old 'vile' chestnut. It's not vile to work within constraints to do the best for the country that is feasible; to reduce tax for the lowest paid; to create an environment which creates jobs and opportunities. It's certainly very different from your views on how to optimise the country - but it's still a philosophy that is attempting to optimise. Not vile, just sensible and recognising constraints.

And who are these people starving to death in the UK then? Nobody, right? So let's pretend that there are to justify my nutcase mate Jezza... a fuckwit who would destroy the country's economy within 3 years. I won't call him vile, because I know that he thinks he's trying to optimise too - he's just wrong and not very bright.

The Universal Credit system is a disaster as it currently stands. No one has said to eliminate it, just pause it so it can be looked at and rolled out properly. The implications are that some families are going 6 weeks without money - this is unacceptable for even 1 family to endure. Yet the Tories simply abstain on the vote and carry on regardless... that is a vile attitude to have.

Saying food banks are 'empowering' is a vile attitude to have. Voting to remove disability payments (ESA) from vulnerable people whilst claiming 50-100K in expenses a year is vile.

Their actions generally show an utter contempt for some of the most vulnerable people in our society. I see everyday the impact that this has on young people, and how in some cases it destroys families and can completely ruin a child's life before it's even really got going.

Vile is exactly the right word to use.

 

[Astute]

like I said, you can disagree with it but it was costed. And once again we're discussing a manifesto that will never be implemented why giving the sitting government a pass on not implementing their key policies. Deficit wiped out by 2015 wasn't it? Actually it's increased, quick, let's start going on about Corbyn!!

Was it me that brought up Corbyn or the costing of the manifesto?

But as you asked.....

Why Labour's welfare mess matters

 

[clint van damme]

Was it me that brought up Corbyn or the costing of the manifesto?

But as you asked.....

Why Labour's welfare mess matters

no. it was Mr.Tench . Another one who spends all his time deflecting from the tories.

 

[dutchman]

Here we go again, the old 'vile' chestnut. It's not vile to work within constraints to do the best for the country that is feasible; to reduce tax for the lowest paid;

The poorest pay higher taxes than richest, according to new figures

The poorest 10 per cent of households in the UK pay a greater proportion of their income in tax than the richest 10 per cent, new analysis has revealed.

Officials statistics show the lowest tenth of earners pay an average of 42 per cent of their income in the form of income tax, national insurance, VAT and council tax.

In contrast, the richest 10 per cent see around a third (34.4 per cent) of their earnings go to the taxman, according to analysis by The Equality Trust.

Council tax and VAT were found to hit the poorest households particularly hard. Low earners pay an average of seven per cent of their income in council tax while the wealthiest households pay just 1.5 per cent.

A similar trend applies to VAT, on which the poor pay 12.5 per cent of their income while the rich pay five per cent.

 

[Grendel]

The poorest pay higher taxes than richest, according to new figures

It’s misleading as it includes VAT

 

[Astute]

no. it was Mr.Tench . Another one who spends all his time deflecting from the tories.

Why don't you point out where I have ever deflected from the Tories?

Just look above these posts. I agreed with Ian on the mess they have made on social payments.

 

[dutchman]

It’s misleading as it includes VAT

No, it's accurate as it includes VAT which is a major burden on the poor.

 

[Grendel]

No, it's accurate as it includes VAT which is a major burden on the poor.

What do thu suggest - mean test purchases?

 

[dutchman]

What do thu suggest - mean test purchases?

I'd abolish it altogether, especially on the kind of purchases that poor people make.

 

[Grendel]

I'd abolish it altogether, especially on the kind of purchases that poor people make.

Better take that up with Martcov Tony and Sick Boy

 

[Sick Boy]

I hold.my hand up and say I was wrong.

Wish others could be man enough to do the same.

It's not really a big deal, is it?

 

[skybluegod]

The Universal Credit system is a disaster as it currently stands. No one has said to eliminate it, just pause it so it can be looked at and rolled out properly. The implications are that some families are going 6 weeks without money - this is unacceptable for even 1 family to endure. Yet the Tories simply abstain on the vote and carry on regardless... that is a vile attitude to have.

Saying food banks are 'empowering' is a vile attitude to have. Voting to remove disability payments (ESA) from vulnerable people whilst claiming 50-100K in expenses a year is vile.

Their actions generally show an utter contempt for some of the most vulnerable people in our society. I see everyday the impact that this has on young people, and how in some cases it destroys families and can completely ruin a child's life before it's even really got going.

Vile is exactly the right word to use.

Well tbf universal credit does have its positives it does just need a lot of work doing to it. But I do agree with the other points.

However you cannot blame everything that has happened to people and to young people on the government. It’s an attitude I really despise, that when shit doesn’t go their way they look for someone to blame. The Government played their part, for the disabled and others like them the government should do more, but not everything can be placed at the governments door, and the people lower down the chain have to start taking some responsibility for where they are

 

[skybluegod]

No, it's accurate as it includes VAT which is a major burden on the poor.

So you want inequality then? Because we should positively discriminate for the poor? And only the rich should pay VAT?

 

[skybluegod]

It's not really a big deal, is it?

It’s not, but it’s the basis of a good debate, I think Astute and others have showed a willingness to budge on opinions and accept other views, whereas others just read and see what they want to see, in order to constantly stick by the same point even when wrong.

 

[dutchman]

So you want inequality then? Because we should positively discriminate for the poor? And only the rich should pay VAT?

Yes.

I'm actually against all personal taxes in principal but if anyone should have to pay them it should be those most able to.