The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (52 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

You mean, you hope it won't happen.

The EU army is a threat, as is open borders. As I've said, the latter is a big part of the reason people voted to leave. I've crossed international borders within Europe so many times and have almost never been checked (unless flying). I honestly would not mind being stopped for five minutes if it meant we were safer. There is no doubt that we would be too.

no way this government is going to fund proper border control. Especially as they may have an additional border to control between the North and South of Ireland. Would love to know how much that could potentially cost.

 

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[martcov]

Desperate stuff as usual from you. What about the biggest lie of all “we are joining a common market” many labour politicians knew then this wasn’t a common market? You ignore this yet your happily admit to wanting a eu superstate and one Eu government, currency and border.

Very hypocritical of you.

Superstate? That is a propaganda word. EU government? No. More power to the EU democratically elected parliament? Yes, of course. An EU external border? Yes, of course. One currency for countries that meet the criteria and want it? Yes, of course.

Where’s the problem?

Now.., to the benefits of Brexit...

Not seen any yet.

 

[skybluetony176]

Classic. You're losing the argument so it's time to scream 'racist'. I can't say I'm shocked.

The truth is, not only do you have absolutely no idea what's going on over there, but you're also in complete denial of any incident that happens regarding migrants and trouble. It makes debate with you pointless.

Where exactly have I denied that there are issues with migrants in Sweden? I’ve pointed out that the issues are happening in both directions. Something you’re reluctant to admit. You’re version of events also seem to have a huge slice of poetic license to them.

 

[martcov]

It took nearly 50 years for us to find out that they knew we were not joining a common market like we were told.

So what do you mean? See which politician lied the most?

No.

I mean, why won’t they release the Brexit impact papers?

 

[martcov]

Says you that refuses to call an army an army.

I know what an army is and what a Defence Union is. I know that we are in NATO, but that there’s no NATO army as such. A European Defence Union is pooling resources to defend Europe. Not so far from being a European version of NATO and, since Trump became president, well justified.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So what fire is it going to fuel?
Are you suggesting it contains bad news? Are you happy they ignored a democratic vote? What would happen if they ignored the Brexit vote, (it was only an advisory referendum).

To be fair to you, you have consistently said it was a cultural vote but a lot of people have been telling us we are going to be better off yet yesterdays budget had the worse growth figures of any modern budget. I would suggest the kind of economic downturn we are in for is going to be very bad. I would love to see some evidence that contradicts that statement.

Yeah, I believe it does contain bad news. As would the Swedish police report. I don't have an issue fighting for either side if I feel it's right or wrong.

Like with some leave voters too. There will be a number that will be so desperate to tell you it's going to be a success, they'll tell you everything about leaving the EU will be rosy. I've never been in that camp as I fully acknowledge being out of the EU will make a lot of things much harder, that includes finance and the economy.

That said, I still believe it can be a massive success in many forms, whether our economy will, time will tell. I don't think we can make a full conclusion at this point. As I've said before, if this is going to succeed in any way we need to believe in it and get behind it. There are so many sour eggs though, that I just cannot see this happening. As Brexit is going to happen regardless, I think we have to pour everything into it. If it doesn't work out at that point, I'll certainly be more than happy to hold my hands up and say we tried...

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

no way this government is going to fund proper border control. Especially as they may have an additional border to control between the North and South of Ireland. Would love to know how much that could potentially cost.

They need to fund it. If they think that Brexit is going to be a success without it then they need to let the next man have a go.

We're on an island, that should make things considerably easier.

 

[Astute]

no way this government is going to fund proper border control. Especially as they may have an additional border to control between the North and South of Ireland. Would love to know how much that could potentially cost.

We have fundes the EU for enough years so why not?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

How many refugees came to Britain?

In other words the lies from Farage who stood before a poster of refugees in Croatia were the reason for voting leave.

Extremely damaging? Not really.

We signed up to the Geneva Convention for a reason. Germans know what it is to be a refugee fleeing an advancing army.

How has this had an effect on you in Britain? It hasn’t. There was no reason to embark on this risky venture because of the Syrian refugees.

Genuine refugees? Probably only about 3, sadly.

This was exactly a good enough reason to vote leave. I've seen Sweden completely sell its soul, and I'm not prepared for it to go that way here without a fight.

 

[martcov]

You mean, you hope it won't happen.

The EU army is a threat, as is open borders. As I've said, the latter is a big part of the reason people voted to leave. I've crossed international borders within Europe so many times and have almost never been checked (unless flying). I honestly would not mind being stopped for five minutes if it meant we were safer. There is no doubt that we would be too.

Well, that is not correct. There is no EU army and there are no open borders. You have to get into the Schengen zone first before you can travel freely.

You wouldn’t mind being stopped for 5 minutes. One, where do get 5 minutes from? There are millions crossing borders every day. If you stopped that there would be chaos. There are more people crossing than ever before. Two. Then comes commercial vehicles. 5 minutes? Haha ...

And we wouldn’t be any safer. There are enough home grown terrorists in places like France and Belgium. Just Breitbart, Farage, Express, Sun, Mail etc crap.

 

[martcov]

Genuine refugees? Probably only about 3, sadly.

This was exactly a good enough reason to vote leave. I've seen Sweden completely sell its soul, and I'm not prepared for it to go that way here without a fight.

Sweden has taken refugees for decades. Nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Astute]

Superstate? That is a propaganda word. EU government? No. More power to the EU democratically elected parliament? Yes, of course. An EU external border? Yes, of course. One currency for countries that meet the criteria and want it? Yes, of course.

Where’s the problem?

Now.., to the benefits of Brexit...

Not seen any yet.

You are so blind to most peoples needs.

Euro good? Yes as long as you live in Germany.

Superstate? Certainly the way it is heading with it's own army and financiers ready to take over the fiscal policies of EU countries not doing as they are told.

EU democratically elected parliament? So who voted them in?

 

[martcov]

We have fundes the EU for enough years so why not?

We „funded“ the EU because it was good for us to do that, politically and economically. To fund a border that breaks the GFA and makes life harder for private and commercial people is totally stupid.

 

[Astute]

No.

I mean, why won’t they release the Brexit impact papers?

Which ones?

They haven't got a Scooby doo until those gangsters ruining the EU tell us what we can have.

So how about a proper comment from you for once. Lets start with these papers hidden for nearly 50 years.

 

[martcov]

You are so blind to most peoples needs.

Euro good? Yes as long as you live in Germany.

Superstate? Certainly the way it is heading with it's own army and financiers ready to take over the fiscal policies of EU countries not doing as they are told.

EU democratically elected parliament? So who voted them in?

Euro good. Countries still joining and no one leaving.

No army and no Financiers taking over countries fiscal policies- only certain aspects.

EU Parliament MEPs are voted in by people like you at the European Elections. Where were you at the vote?

 

[Astute]

Well, that is not correct. There is no EU army and there are no open borders. You have to get into the Schengen zone first before you can travel freely.

You wouldn’t mind being stopped for 5 minutes. One, where do get 5 minutes from? There are millions crossing borders every day. If you stopped that there would be chaos. There are more people crossing than ever before. Two. Then comes commercial vehicles. 5 minutes? Haha ...

And we wouldn’t be any safer. There are enough home grown terrorists in places like France and Belgium. Just Breitbart, Farage, Express, Sun, Mail etc crap.

Are you saying that there won't be an EU army?

 

[Astute]

Euro good. Countries still joining and no one leaving.

No army and no Financiers taking over countries fiscal policies- only certain aspects.

EU Parliament MEPs are voted in by people like you at the European Elections. Where were you at the vote?

Either you can't see the truth or you can't bring yourself to admit to it.

Only certain aspects? So what are they?

I am ready to reply to the misinformation you are about to give us.

 

[martcov]

Which ones?

They haven't got a Scooby doo until those gangsters ruining the EU tell us what we can have.

So how about a proper comment from you for once. Lets start with these papers hidden for nearly 50 years.

No. Let’s start by you admitting that you are not neutral.

Then let’s start talking about a recent impact statement instead of some guy‘s guesswork in 1971.

I couldn’t give a toss about something from 1971 that the rag called the Express dug out. We have have had years of elected representatives agreeing to the progress in Europe.

 

[martcov]

Either you can't see the truth or you can't bring yourself to admit to it.

Only certain aspects? So what are they?

I am ready to reply to the misinformation you are about to give us.

The truth is that countries have recently joined the Euro, the Euro has gained against the pound and that no one is leaving the Euro.

The aspects include VAT and corporation tax. We have had this conversation several times.

 

[martcov]

Are you saying that there won't be an EU army?

Not in my lifetime. There are no plans for one.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Where exactly have I denied that there are issues with migrants in Sweden? I’ve pointed out that the issues are happening in both directions. Something you’re reluctant to admit. You’re version of events also seem to have a huge slice of poetic license to them.

You've admitted there are issues? Have a day off. You're both oblivious and in denial, amazingly. Migrants moved into a town, turned it into blackwater through muggings, robbery, and violence. Some residents retaliated with insults and stones and as a result some migrants children get escorted to school.

That bit in bold was the only bit you were interested in, completely ignoring the rest of it. Poetic licence? You just don't like the truth!

 

[Astute]

No. Let’s start by you admitting that you are not neutral.

Then let’s start talking about a recent impact statement instead of some guy‘s guesswork in 1971.

I couldn’t give a toss about something from 1971 that the rag called the Express dug out. We have have had years of elected representatives agreeing to the progress in Europe.

I was pro EU before the vote. But the bullshit from both sides pushed me towards neutral. I couldn't trust any of them.

We voted out. It was a democratic decision. A proper democratic decision and not a pretend one like with the EU.

But the more I see about the way the EU is run the more I know that we are better off out of it in the long run. The longer we are in it the more they get their claws into us.

Then you have the remoaners. Some have as much bullshit as the politicians. They cry about everything they don't like. They twist the truth as much as they can. For instance trying to make out that the aim isn't to have an EU army. Or trying to make out that Juncker doesn't want one person in charge steering the ship EU enterprise. They also try to make out that the finance minister won't be after taking over fiscal policies of EU countries not doing as they are told. There was a statement saying so. They cry foul about the vote. In fact they just take the piss. They never listen to reason. They only ever notice the aide of the story they want to hear.

Brexit good.....brexit bad....we will have to wait and find out. But we have found out about the tossers in charge of the EU.

 

[Astute]

Not in my lifetime. There are no plans for one.

Fuck me. Your lies are so obvious.

 

[martcov]

You've admitted there are issues? Have a day off. You're both oblivious and in denial, amazingly. Migrants moved into a town, turned it into blackwater through muggings, robbery, and violence. Some residents retaliated with insults and stones and as a result some migrants children get escorted to school.

That bit in bold was the only bit you were interested in, completely ignoring the rest of it. Poetic licence? You just don't like the truth!

He did say there were issues about migrants. No one is denying that.

Throwing stones at their children will not redress the issues and only goes to show that there are scumbags on both sides.

 

[martcov]

Fuck me. Your lies are so obvious.

Where is the plan? Link?

 

[martcov]

I was pro EU before the vote. But the bullshit from both sides pushed me towards neutral. I couldn't trust any of them.

We voted out. It was a democratic decision. A proper democratic decision and not a pretend one like with the EU.

But the more I see about the way the EU is run the more I know that we are better off out of it in the long run. The longer we are in it the more they get their claws into us.

Then you have the remoaners. Some have as much bullshit as the politicians. They cry about everything they don't like. They twist the truth as much as they can. For instance trying to make out that the aim isn't to have an EU army. Or trying to make out that Juncker doesn't want one person in charge steering the ship EU enterprise. They also try to make out that the finance minister won't be after taking over fiscal policies of EU countries not doing as they are told. There was a statement saying so. They cry foul about the vote. In fact they just take the piss. They never listen to reason. They only ever notice the aide of the story they want to hear.

Brexit good.....brexit bad....we will have to wait and find out. But we have found out about the tossers in charge of the EU.

There isn’t an EU army.

Juncker doesn’t want one man ruling the EU.

The finance minister would be limited to certain aspects of fiscal policy.

You just deny the facts.

 

[skybluetony176]

Earlsdon. I’ve been researching a traditional Sunday roast that you can have without non of these nasty foreign influences you don’t want diluting our culture.

Beef. OK so long as it’s a native breed.

Carrots. Sorry, that’s a Persian invader.

Peas. Sorry, they were introduced by the Roman invaders.

Cabbage. Roman invaders again.

Cauliflower cheese. Cauliflower is a medertaraniln invader. Maybe you can have the cheese. Sorry, them Romans again. Grrrr.

Broccoli. Romans again. Curse them pesky Italians.

Roast potatoes. North American. No can do. Same goes for mash.

Runner beans. Nope, from Central America.

Parsnips. See Romans.


You’re basically on cow and grass fella. So long as it’s wild grass. Lawns were a French invention. Enjoy. Sunday’s must be a blast in your house.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well, that is not correct. There is no EU army and there are no open borders. You have to get into the Schengen zone first before you can travel freely.

You wouldn’t mind being stopped for 5 minutes. One, where do get 5 minutes from? There are millions crossing borders every day. If you stopped that there would be chaos. There are more people crossing than ever before. Two. Then comes commercial vehicles. 5 minutes? Haha ...

And we wouldn’t be any safer. There are enough home grown terrorists in places like France and Belgium. Just Breitbart, Farage, Express, Sun, Mail etc crap.

There are homegrown terrorists because people like yourself were happy for their parents to settle, which as we found with some terrorist attacks recently, exposed the parents as having links to terrorist groups to.

Also with some recent terrorist attacks, we've seen the terrorist escape through multiple countries before being caught. Open borders are in existence within Europe and they are an absolute nightmare for security.

I mean, if you don't care about that sort of thing (which you don't), then I could understand why stopping and showing your passport would be so much of an issue.

 

[martcov]

Just for Astute:
A more recent leaked document:

Leaked diplomatic dossier says Tory party 'chaos' is undermining UK in Brexit talks

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

He did say there were issues about migrants. No one is denying that.

Throwing stones at their children will not redress the issues and only goes to show that there are scumbags on both sides.

Or it shows that the situation has got so bad, genuine good people are having to resort to taking the law into their own hands.

You just simply won't admit that there is a problem. A migrant terrorist could kill 100 people but you and Tony would choose to sweep it under the carpet by saying Oskar from Sweden once through a stone at a child.

 

[Astute]

Where is the plan? Link?

Revealed: Plans for EU army, navy and air force deployable without national MPs' approval

Brussels reveals vision for European army to supersede Nato

EU army inevitable, says senior German official

How much more proof do you need that you haven't got a clue what is going on in the EU......or you can't stop bullshitting.

 

[Astute]

Just for Astute:
A more recent leaked document:

Leaked diplomatic dossier says Tory party 'chaos' is undermining UK in Brexit talks

How about showing us something we don't know.

 

[Astute]

There isn’t an EU army.

Juncker doesn’t want one man ruling the EU.

The finance minister would be limited to certain aspects of fiscal policy.

You just deny the facts.

This is you yet again trying to deny the facts.

 

[clint van damme]

We have fundes the EU for enough years so why not?

because there is no will in this country to properly fund public services.
It's OK saying we're going to control our borders but you have to actually put in place resources to do so.
Remember, we have a PM who, when Home secretary told police chiefs they were being drama queens when they said they could not be able to successfully fight terrorism because of the cuts she was making, Then the attacks started.

 

[martcov]

There are homegrown terrorists because people like yourself were happy for their parents to settle, which as we found with some terrorist attacks recently, exposed the parents as having links to terrorist groups to.

Also with some recent terrorist attacks, we've seen the terrorist escape through multiple countries before being caught. Open borders are in existence within Europe and they are an absolute nightmare for security.

I mean, if you don't care about that sort of thing (which you don't), then I could understand why stopping and showing your passport would be so much of an issue.

I didn’t have the choice about ex colonial citizens coming to Europe. These people were allowed in because of the forefathers coming from ex colonies. Nothing to do with Merkel or present day EU policy.

They got caught because of EU security cooperation which was increased because of Schengen.

Being held up at internal borders is pretty senseless. It would be the same as stopping people between Scotland and England. International cooperation with security is of more importance. As are identity cards and registration of address.

But, what happened to our identity cards? The Tories stopped them because we are British and that would take away our freedoms. What tossers.

I am for identity cards and address registration because it makes life easier when looking for terrorists and identifying people.

So, no, I am not prepared to sit in queues at internal EU borders. It doesn’t make me safer.