A damn site bigger majority than 52:48. „Work to be done“ at 52:48 according to your mate Farage.
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A damn site bigger majority than 52:48. „Work to be done“ at 52:48 according to your mate Farage.
Astute
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Everything is insignificant unless it happens against a migrant to some people. Then they will say how incidents are goung up against migrants. But the rise in racism in Germany is insignificant?
They are all part of the same thing. You shouldn't try to gloss over the attacks on racism. But you shouldn't also gloss over the cause of the attacks. But the EU lovers do it frequently.
The biggest effect on Northern Ireland was the chance to achieve a peaceful settlement, the GFA, because we were all in the EU.
Made life easier without a border.
But, that wouldn’t bother you. You think the US and China are chomping at the bit to solve all the UK‘s trade problems.
Starry eyed Brexiteer.
Kingokings204
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Sure about that? Less than half a million votes in difference. I thought leave won by 1.3 million votes was small?
Percentage wise wasn’t that much more either.
NI votes Remain in EU referendum
Captain Dart
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I prefer cold hard facts every time.
No they don’t. If anything this is a deflection from the EU thread. As with Merkel’s Syrians it has f all to do with what we were just talking about.
Shows how bad Brexit is going when people resort to throwing in Breitbart stories to get us off track.
Northern Ireland has voted to remain in the EU Referendum by a majority of 56% to 44%.
12% is 3 times as big as 4%.
Why do you read Breitbart then?
Kingokings204
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I’m not disagreeing. Northern Ireland voted to remain.
We voted as a country though not as regions. Agreed?
Sick Boy
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Sadly, NI's makes it a bit more complex than that.
No. Ireland is a different case as they are directly affected. It is more than just Brexit as the GFA depends upon it. Brexit has reopened the GFA. Is it still valid after Brexit? Brexit Britain doesn’t have anything comparable. Even Scotland doesn’t have a GFA type agreement as they were not in some civil war situation.
Kingokings204
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You don’t agree with the fact I gave? Shows you are beyond debate. I won’t bother carrying on. Shame. I will try with someone else.
Kingokings204
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Yes I agree but do you agree with the fact that we voted in a British referendum? We voted as a county yes?
Sorry it’s just vital we establish this before we can continue a debate. Mart said no we didn’t. :banghead:
Captain Dart
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That's guns. Stupid yanks.
Even if Sweden is 'safer' it has gone downhill compared to 15years ago.
Your source:
Fria Tider beskriver sig som frihetligt konservativ och uppger att man hämtar inspiration från paleokonservatism och paleolibertarianism. Tidningen klassificeras i en rapport utgiven av Statens medieråd som "en del av den radikala högerpopulistiska nätmiljön" och anses ha ett uppenbart rasistiskt, främlingsfientligt och islamofobisktinnehåll.[5]
Openly racist, anti foreigner, islamophobic, highly populist... etc etc
Did you check this story with other Swedish publications? Or did you get it via Breibart without questioning it?
This is a National Socialist organisation which views democracy with extreme scepticism.
1. Gang rape is real.
2. The definition of rape in Sweden covers much more than what we call rape.
3. this is published by a National Socialist anti democratic organisation and is probably bullshit.
4. Earlsdon_Skyblue 1 is quoting reports from supporters of Adolf Hitler. So, yes he is going into the darkest territory.
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Mart said, it is more complicated in N.I. and the vote should be considered in the context of the island of Ireland- whether you interpret it that N.I. is the same as Boston, Lincs or not. It is obviously a different situation and despite Farage saying that people „just want to get on with it“, that is definitely not the case in Ireland. Nothing is going to happen quickly or without serious consequences. But you say they are all proud British ( the old plucky Brits argument ), so let’s see what happens. My tip: a disaster.
SIR ERNIE
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Before you criticise other posters sources, you should check your own.
The source of your post 10125 above is Aftonbladet, the pro-Russian, openly anti semetic, Swedish tabloid.
The gutter press as you love to describe it.
Sick Boy
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It was voted as a country, but this is a serious issue that was not considered before the vote. NI is a very special case and for Brexit to happen, it's unlikely that it will be able to leave on the same terms as the rest of the UK.
Apart from the no surrender poster, i'm sure that no one tunes that violence and a return to the troubles is not a price worth paying for Brexit
Yes. It is. Fight fire with fire. They throw these things in. I threw one back. Dead easy to find sources that confirm that Swedeb is still safer than many countries. That was top of the list.
Kingokings204
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No I don’t condone violence no.
Yes it is a special case but it doesn’t take away the fact we voted as a country as you just agreed. We can’t have Northern Ireland in the SM and CU and rest of the UK out. In my opinion the DUP have rightly blocked it as it would open up doors for Scotland and London. The UK loses all integrity then.
There needs to be a special deal I agree but it can’t involve Ni being different to Britain. It is part of Great Britain for goodness sake.
Despite it being a tabloid, I don’t think it is comparable to the other source. They even have a troll factory in their group which is based in Tallinn. They also ‚supply‘ Finnland with ‚facts‘. They have a mission. Spread bad news about immigration, the EU, their own government and represent themselves as the voice of the „silent majority“. You guys may be rejoicing at the AfD getting 12,5%, but the real silent majority in Germany is the 87,5% who voted for democratic parties.
mrtrench
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I know full well that anecdotal evidence is not worth independently corroborated stats, but anecdotally I hear lots of horror stories from Sweden. My daugher's boyfriend is Swedish. He lives with us but obviously talks to his family often. His father says that there are entire areas of Stockholm that are no go areas now - even for the police. Last weekend his sister was mugged with a blade against her throat. I don't think it's safe there.
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Astute
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Most places in the world are safe when compared to parts of America. And just about every civilised country in the world is safer than America.
How about someone comparing like for like?
Ffs. No it isn’t part of Britain. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain voted for Brexit and the other part of the United Kingdom didn’t. That’s the problem. A very disunited Kingdom at the moment.
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Sick Boy
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It's not part of Great Britain, it's part of the United Kingdom
In that case then, we will end up with a hard border.
Astute
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Already given up with trying to have a debate with him on this subject.
Yes ok. Do you have a comparison London/ Stockholm?
chiefdave
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A lot of people have said that in this thread and we're up to 290 pages!
Sick Boy
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Acid attacks in London? Young people being stabbed every week? All large cities have no go areas.
I can believe that, but I take that sort of information rather than from a site with National Socialist values.
My daughter‘s Spanish boyfriend was beaten up for looking foreign and speaking Spanish in a kiosk in Hamburg. But Hamburg is still relatively safe.
skybluetony176
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So anyway. Where does this leave brexit? The EU are united behind Dublin and won’t accept a hard border between the North and South of Ireland and the DUP won’t accept a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K. meaning that it won’t get voted through parliament as the Tories don’t have a majority without the DUP.
Crime Comparison Between Stockholm, Sweden And London, United Kingdom. Safety Comparison.
Doesn’t seem to be a lot in it. Increased faster in Stockholm in the last 3 years. I don’t know how they calculated that or how reliable the figures are.