Captain Dart
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You're bonkers.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (177 Viewers)
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Kingokings204
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We’ve got the deal. Brexit bill is £38-39 billion. I am happy with that. We’ve met our obligations as a country and can now discuss trade.
Turning out to be quite the week for Brexit. Let’s move on to trade now.
Turning out to be quite the week for Brexit. Let’s move on to trade now.
We are in the EIB as a lender and we are a net contributor. Most are neither.
We could have done that months ago. We’ve fudged the Irish question which will come back to haunt us and we’ve made concessions on the ECJ. Yes, quite a week.
Astute
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And the racist party becomes the biggest not in power. Just what you said you didn't want. Now you say you do.
Captain Dart
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The entire agreement is going to be fudge all the way through, always was going to be so. Politicians never do anything else.
I’m bonkers because some people on forums are bonkers? Keep taking the pills it may help,
No. I don’t want the AfD to be the main opposition party, but I do want a strong and stable government. That is more important. A side effect is that the bigots become the main opposition. Anyway, wait and see..... there is a lot of negotiating to be done...
Exactly. No one will be entirely happy and everyone will suffer. Which is what I said all along. Should never have had the referendum.
Yes, let‘s move on to the next humiliation,
Kingokings204
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How have we been humiliated?
Kingokings204
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We were always going to make concessions and so have the EU. Yes we have a weak leader but it’s an impossible job in fairness.
We have got a brexit deal and now we can move on which is great news this morning for this great country. I’m sure you agree. Let’s be happy for a bit.
Ask Farage.... I was quoting his tweet...
Kingokings204
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I don’t follow farage on Twitter. Nothing is ever going to be good enough for him. Same way for your hardest remainer also.
Yes we’ve made concessions Mart but not humiliated I wouldn’t say.
clint van damme
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moaning about the divorce bill, I'm sure he'll so his bit to bring the figure down slightly by not drawing hie EU pension!
Grendel
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As you keep blathering on about the Irish question perhaps you can tell me how integration into Eire (which they have said they do not want anyway) would actually be achievable under Eu rules of acceptance into the federal club?
It is not on the cards. I am not a constitutional lawyer. I am not an expert on EU rules of acceptance. As you say Eire dosen't want it at the moment.
So why are you asking me?
He is covering his arse in case it goes horribly wrong. He can always claim that it was May's fault not his own.
Grendel
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Because you have previously stated this will bring the chances of a United Ireland much closer to reality - as did Sick Boy - its actually impossible once we leave Europe isn't it?
Nothing is impossible in this story. The DUP sees it as potentially possible which is why they are jumping up and down.
Grendel
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How would it be possible give EU legislation on new entrants?
At the moment Northern Ireland is a member. The ROI is a member. Who is the new entrant?
Even those that aren't happy with brexit must be pleased/relieved its moved to the next phase of talks. To be fair to May, whatever everyone thinks of her (and lets be honest it probably isn't much after the mess of the election campaign) she's done pretty well to get this moving forward.
Grendel
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Northern Ireland would be under their legislation. There is zero chance Ireland will be offered a referendum prior to Brexit - Westminster won't do it, there is no Irish Parliament in N Ireland at present and Eire have said they are not interested.
So instead of skirting the issue - tell me how will they be able to join under EU legislation?
We don't know what the situation will be at Brexit. There is no Northern Ireland Assembly at the moment. That doesn't mean there never will be another one. We have a fudged joint statement at the moment. We cannot say what the final outcome of Brexit will be. We also don't know what will happen in the EU in the future. What looks like happening because of birth rates, is that there will be a catholic/ republican majority in N.I. at some stage not far into the future. The question of unity will arise at some time. The EU will be reformed at some time. The problem of the border has not been solved, just kicked down the road to enable talks on trade to take place.
dutchman
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Dutchman just posted this from Bloomberg:
'Anyone in the U.K. still hoping for a favorable Brexit scenario should realize that the U.K. has minimal leverage in the talks, and any demands on its part are primarily domestically focused rather than meant to change EU negotiators' minds. The U.K. is, unequivocally, the party that gets fleeced in this divorce. The reasonable decision would be to abandon the whole enterprise, but since that doesn't appear to be politically feasible, the U.K. is in for months, perhaps years, of further humiliation at the negotiating table.'
Sort of agrees with Farage.
skybluetony176
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Because it would be unification not new membership. It’s already happened once. Remember Germany was once divided into east and west.
And the East was no where near the standard of West Germany as regards enviroment, infrastructure etc.. Northern Ireland is already in the EU which East Germany wasn't beforehand.
Astute
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So from your previous posts if it agrees in any way with Farage it must be utter bollox and racist.
skybluetony176
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And from what I’ve read on the brexit agreement it will continue to conform with the EU post brexit so if *if* Northern Ireland had a referendum and voted leave it’s a formality.
dutchman
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And so will the rest of the UK as far as I can tell which makes a mockery of the majority vote to leave.
No. In this case he is not alone in his opinion.
dancers lance
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I can't get my head around this, I've got one side saying It's $40 billion and on the other side I've got Diane Abbott saying It's ninety twelve thirteenty squillion pence, I don't know who to believe?