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Astute

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So ALL things considered you tell me what Corbyn did wrong and what did he do that a serving British PM didn’t do?
Attend IRA funerals when they were murdering the innocent British public.

Meet up with other terrorist movements.

Get involved with the Russians.

In fact why do I bother with you? He has done so much when not the Labour leader but you make out it is OK as some of what he has done is the same as the British PM when it is their job to meet certain people. He was a nothing to British politics when he did various things.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

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Corbyns links to communications with the IRA and Sinn Féin are well known. What’s also well known is that communicating with the IRA and Sinn Féin (against the advice of pretty much everyone at the time by the way) by John Major was not only refreshing but also lead to the good Friday peace agreement and has led to decades of children in Ireland growing up in peace for the first time in many many more decades. They refer to themselves as piece children. I’m fortunate enough to see some of my own family in Northern Ireland have this honour.

So ALL things considered you tell me what Corbyn did wrong and what did he do that a serving British PM didn’t do?

As for the rest of what you said it’s just ill informed nonsense.
Tony so you agree with him meeting an organisation that has killed hundreds of this countries innocent victims. You call that refreshing and bollocks and bollocks again if you think he had any hand in the good friday agreement.
That is complete and utter bollocks, if you have proof him talking to them led to the agreement and peace I will apologise but the bloke is a traitor to this country. Luckily most people see right through him. Without brainwashing Young University students last election Labour would have got about as many votes as we have points this season.
I may have just heard it all now.
 

Astute

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so why have labour and the lib dems forced the government to implement greater control over the financial activities of russian oligarchs in london?
I don't disagree with you here. I don't trust the Tories. Never have. Just like I don't trust Corbyn.

So who here trusts Corbyn 100%?
 

Sick Boy

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Tony so you agree with him meeting an organisation that has killed hundreds of this countries innocent victims. You call that refreshing and bollocks and bollocks again if you think he had any hand in the good friday agreement.
That is complete and utter bollocks, if you have proof him talking to them led to the agreement and peace I will apologise but the bloke is a traitor to this country. Luckily most people see right through him. Without brainwashing Young University students last election Labour would have got about as many votes as we have points this season.
I may have just heard it all now.

I'm not a massive fan of his but calling him a traitor is ridiculous. Also historically the British have inflicted misery and suffering upon countries across the world, yet this seems to be completely forgotten most of the time.

How many innocent civilians were murdered in Iraq? Which MP consistently voted against the war and would probably be labeled a traitor for doing so now?
 

Sick Boy

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Also, as someone else has already said, we could be dealing with a potential 3 potential murders in Salisbury. If Corbyn was going around fist bumping and all smiles, he'd get slaughtered.
 

Astute

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I'm not a massive fan of his but calling him a traitor is ridiculous. Also historically the British have inflicted misery and suffering upon countries across the world, yet this seems to be completely forgotten most of the time.

How many innocent civilians were murdered in Iraq? Which MP consistently voted against the war and would probably be labeled a traitor for doing so now?
Bit that doesn't make him innocent of everything else. How many innocent British citizens got murdered by the IRA? How many of those funerals did Corbyn attend?
 

skybluetony176

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Tony so you agree with him meeting an organisation that has killed hundreds of this countries innocent victims. You call that refreshing and bollocks and bollocks again if you think he had any hand in the good friday agreement.
That is complete and utter bollocks, if you have proof him talking to them led to the agreement and peace I will apologise but the bloke is a traitor to this country. Luckily most people see right through him. Without brainwashing Young University students last election Labour would have got about as many votes as we have points this season.
I may have just heard it all now.
How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
 

Astute

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How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
Talking to the IRA and going to funerals of their terrorists who killed innocent people including women and children are two totally different things.
 
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How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
As an aside, anybody able to get your Great Grandfather's memories down before he died? In a general sense it might be worth getting down what you can while you can?

Social history of the future, this.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

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How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
Tony you the one who said he has saved countless lives bringing peace to the province, not me. I have nothing to prove, that's why I asked you to prove your statement . Don't turn the question round just because you can't prove what you said.
Typical Labour , as soon as they are questioned on their politics they start accusing other parties about the same stuff.
I asked you cordially that I would apologise if you have proof he had something to do with bringing peace, and talking to terrorists who killed innocent men women and children really isn't much proof so far.
 

fernandopartridge

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I always thoughthought Dan Jarvis would have been a winner. To be fair though, wasn't Thatcher holding secret talks with the IRA?
Yes. As well as paying IRA double agents.

Ultimately, talking to the IRA was the only route to the peace process. Some of the morons on here seem to think continuing what was essentially a civil war was a better idea
 

Sick Boy

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Bit that doesn't make him innocent of everything else. How many innocent British citizens got murdered by the IRA? How many of those funerals did Corbyn attend?

How many innocent Irish civilians were murdered by the British army?
 

Astute

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Yes. As well as paying IRA double agents.

Ultimately, talking to the IRA was the only route to the peace process. Some of the morons on here seem to think continuing what was essentially a civil war was a better idea
And some morons try to make out that he only spoke to them when it is beyond doubt that he was much more invilved than that.
 

Astute

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How many innocent Irish civilians were murdered by the British army?
Does one side make the other side correct?

And how many squaddies involved in the murders are trying to become the British PM?
 

skybluetony176

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skybluetony176

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As an aside, anybody able to get your Great Grandfather's memories down before he died? In a general sense it might be worth getting down what you can while you can?

Social history of the future, this.

He was a character to say the least. Not all good either. I have a cousin who works for the local rag and aside from the legend that’s been handed down the generations he’s found a few things in the archives that were reported at the time and at times of other events in his life. Another cousin has all his military records also, he never actually served in Ireland but on the continent and Africa.
 

skybluetony176

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Tony you the one who said he has saved countless lives bringing peace to the province, not me. I have nothing to prove, that's why I asked you to prove your statement . Don't turn the question round just because you can't prove what you said.
Typical Labour , as soon as they are questioned on their politics they start accusing other parties about the same stuff.
I asked you cordially that I would apologise if you have proof he had something to do with bringing peace, and talking to terrorists who killed innocent men women and children really isn't much proof so far.
Where have I said he saved countless lives? He was talking to the IRA and Sinn Féin about perusing piece a long time before anyone else would and did it against the establishment. As did John Major. An action that led to the good Friday agreement. Not sure what you’re not getting about that.
 

skybluetony176

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How many innocent Irish civilians were murdered by the British army?

Maybe the international community should have stopped dealing with Edward Heath after Bloody Sunday. No apologies were made until David Cameron did it and the truth was never admitted until 2010, that’s 38 years of cover up. Yet people were still willing to talk peace with the British government despite representing the people of the community effected by this atrocity.

What people like astute and Rev don’t realise is that in the situation that Northern Ireland was in it was only ever going to be the people who were part of the problem were also going to be part of the cure. There was never ever going to be any way around that. The only other option was a continuation of hostilities and many more needless deaths.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

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All I asked Tony if you don't mind dealing with a moron, because he has a different view, that you have no idea what he talked about in those meetings unless you have proof f rom more than one person who was in those meetings.
Just saying he did this so to do that is just your theory and superstition.
The partridge bloke clearly has the debating skills of pol pot, so give me some evidence from credible witnesses and I will change my mind on his part in this.
People who clearly can't debate perhaps should live in a country like Russia where they will be told how to think and vote so everyone agrees with each other.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

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You claimed Corbyn played a part in this, so don't tell me I don't realise this or that, you made a claim and all I've asked is for proof.
That's all I've done.
You do know you weren't the only bloke or family affected by the troubles don't you. You are sounding like the only bloke who was there or had family there.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

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Anyway I'm a moron so need to head off to the thick matchday thread .
I hope I'm allowed to give my opinion on the club I support because god knows what I'll be called if I have a differing opinion on a player for example.
 

fernandopartridge

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All I asked Tony if you don't mind dealing with a moron, because he has a different view, that you have no idea what he talked about in those meetings unless you have proof f rom more than one person who was in those meetings.

That works both ways. Where's your proof that he was somehow there to support the IRA against the state?

....where they will be told how to think and vote so everyone agrees with each other.

This from a thread where stories from the Daily Mail are used as evidence
 

Grendel

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Mr Corbyn s supporters often use the argument that he was somehow discussing with Sinn Fein to enable a “peace in our time” arrangement to happen. Despite the fact there was zero attempts to claim that at the time there are some other issues that need addressing if this case is to be made.

1 why if Mr Corbyn was interested in peace did he only ever discuss with one side in the battle.

2 Why more significantly did Mr Corbyn never to my knowledge discuss peace proposals and potential solutions with Gerry Fitt and the SDLP? They sought solutions through the ballot box but Corbyn allied himself purely to one side and the paramilitary side at that

3 If for years he had been striving for a peaceful solution did he oppose the Anglo Irish agreement on the grounds that it was selling out the Irish people? Strange that he did that, it’s worth noting at this point that John McDonnell went one stage further and voted against the Good Friday agreement.

4 Given his recent quest for hard evidence and democracy why, when a member of an anarchic organisation, did Mr Corbyn receive a caution for protesting outside the old Bailey in defence of the murderer Patrick Magee declaring it a show trial for the British State (a state that pays him a substantial amount of money by the way) rather than allowing democracy and justice to take its cause.

5 why has he always described IRA murderers of innocent British civilians as prisoners of war?

Corbyn has an unfortunate habit of aligning himself to violent factions to the side he takes. The IRA, Hamas, Chavez - always.

I may even have had some acknowledgement for his stance over the Russia poisoning but for one thing.

Consider if that old traitor Kin Philby has still been alive and we wake up to find that he’s dead on a bench in Moscow. Putin declares the British have murderer him.

What would Mr Corbyn do? Would he demand that Putin provided evidence to support such a claim or would he demand that the British state answers the questions and scream for s public enquiry.

As an enemy of the state that pays him handsomely I know the answer.

Do you?
 

martcov

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Are you saying that we should continue to let them use chemical weapons over here and do nothing about it?

So what was Corbyn when either his spin doctor or himself met the Russians?

Absolutely nothing to even do with being leader of the Labour party. It started well before. The meetings with spies started in the 80's when he was close to the IRA.

There is nothing but doubts about the bloke. Involved with spies. Involved with the Russians. Defending the Russians. Involved with the IRA. Involved with other terrorist movements. And he is the best Labour can find to lead them?

? Where did I say that we should continue to let them use chemical weapons? I didn't even know that we allow them to use chemical weapons.

I haven't defended Corbyn's record with Russia. I just mentioned him asking for proof to be released, if possible. I suspect we have proof that the substance comes from Russia.
 

martcov

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Are you saying that we should continue to let them use chemical weapons over here and do nothing about it?

I was talking to Grendel about, IMO, the desired impact of a strong leader taking care of traitors in a horrible way in order for Putin to show his country how strong and stable he is just before an election. Yes, I know he will win anyway. Like any other mob leader he will relish in even more support than he needs. See what comes after his massive landslide victory. Then I think we will get the picture. President for life? As in China.

I did not know that we are allowing Russia to use chemical weapons over in the UK.

What else, besides what we already have done, can we do to Russia?

If we were already out of the EU we would be in a worse position in that regard. No wonder Russia backs anti EU parties. 28 individual countries are easier to intimidate than a bloc of 500 million people. But, you are one of the ones following the sheep led by dodgy politicians and influenced by trolls, who are actually revelling in the possible disintegration of the strongest economic bloc in the world.

If we end up going it alone in the future without our EU partners, it is your fault and the 17,4 million others who voted leave. ( Yes, you voted remain..... and are otherwise neutral....... ;-) ).
 

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