The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (70 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Yet all is supposedly well in the EU.

But mass immigration is damaging all harmony in the EU. Something has to change. Political parties that can be seen as racist are coming from nowhere to be the No1 or No2 biggest party throughout the EU. Mart should know this. It has even happened in Germany.

I can see it ending up very badly if it continues.

Illegal migration will continue regardless.

 

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[Astute]

Illegal migration will continue regardless.

But not in the millions like is allowed by the EU.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong. But it is giving a chance for racists to get non racists to join them. And over time they could end up racist themselves.

 

[torchomatic]

I didn't watch any news. If you look back on this thread you will see that I have mentioned it several times before.

There are both good and bad things about being in the EU. But we are only supposed to mention the good and fudge over the bad.

I wasn't talking bout you but anyway. Similarly I suppose we are to mention the bad and fudge over the good?

 

[Astute]

I wasn't talking bout you but anyway. Similarly I suppose we are to mention the bad and fudge over the good?

I talk about the good and the bad. That is what you are suppised to do in a debate. But in here nearly all those that are on the side of remain make it look like it is a guaranteed disaster. I have splinters on my arse. But they are falling out as I am made to look a brexiteer by pulling up one sided posts constantly.

If leaving was a certainty on being good or bad one side would have a healthy lead.

The EU needs to change. And change quickly. But it is run by dinosaurs who have a plan and are unwilling to deviate from it. The plan isn't working. Every country in the EU has problems caused by their plans. Even those who benefit the most from being in the EU have major problems caused by their plans. And on the plus side of getting out of the EU for me is to get away from this.

 

[martcov]

So we should put it in writing when the EU hasn't done the same about Brits living in the EU countries? It needs to be done at the same time to make sure it is the same deal for all. And it is the EU that decides what is spoken about and when. But you already know all that.

You are starting to sound very anti British.

And you want a vote in a country that you left decades ago?

The EU is negotiating with us. We are supposed to have settled these things - citizens rights - before we move on. Citizens' rights being extremely important. More important than tariffs etc.. At least they are for the EU. Maybe not press barons elitist MPs etc..

Yes, it is a disgrace that I have no say on what happens to my rights. I have a British Passport and expect the British government to stand up for me. Who else can I turn to?

 

[martcov]

Yet all is supposedly well in the EU.

But mass immigration is damaging all harmony in the EU. Something has to change. Political parties that can be seen as racist are coming from nowhere to be the No1 or No2 biggest party throughout the EU. Mart should know this. It has even happened in Germany.

I can see it ending up very badly if it continues.

No it hasn't. The second biggest party in Germany is the SPD. They have joined with Merkel to keep a strong and stable government. 87,5% of German voters don't want this Farage endorsed fascist AFD crap.

 

[martcov]

I talk about the good and the bad. That is what you are suppised to do in a debate. But in here nearly all those that are on the side of remain make it look like it is a guaranteed disaster. I have splinters on my arse. But they are falling out as I am made to look a brexiteer by pulling up one sided posts constantly.

If leaving was a certainty on being good or bad one side would have a healthy lead.

The EU needs to change. And change quickly. But it is run by dinosaurs who have a plan and are unwilling to deviate from it. The plan isn't working. Every country in the EU has problems caused by their plans. Even those who benefit the most from being in the EU have major problems caused by their plans. And on the plus side of getting out of the EU for me is to get away from this.

Stop exagerating the rise of fascism and start critising it then. That would give you a more balanced appearance, but you tend to laud up the success of right wing shit. As does Grendel.

No, it isn't a guaranteed disaster to leave the EU, but I cannot see the benefits ( don't come with the old sound bites of "sovereignty, Drunker, undemocratic, elite etc. ). They have been shown to be bullshit.

 

[martcov]

No you said Britain only were wrong and now make excuses. Only the Netherlands? Are you sure?

Beware the illiberal alliance of Poland and Hungary, a grave threat to the EU | Will Hutton

That is an article about Muslim immigration and not free movement of EU citizens, which these countries' own citizens benefit from.

 

[torchomatic]

Shame there wasn't a way to tax just those who voted leave, so they end up paying the £40b divorce bill. I voted to remain so why should I pay towards it.

Would be interesting to see of those who voted to leave because of the billions we pay the EU were aware we would have to pay billions anyway. I guess they all knew that and thought it a price worth paying.

 

[Grendel]

That is an article about Muslim immigration and not free movement of EU citizens, which these countries' own citizens benefit from.

Oh yes they benefit alright - it’s a one way flow isn’t it?

 

[Grendel]

Shame there wasn't a way to tax just those who voted leave, so they end up paying the £40b divorce bill. I voted to remain so why should I pay towards it.

Would be interesting to see of those who voted to leave because of the billions we pay the EU were aware we would have to pay billions anyway. I guess they all knew that and thought it a price worth paying.

As I voted to leave and never had a say about political union in the first place can I and all other leavers get a pay out for the last 30 years and the remainders pick up the tab?

 

[martcov]

Oh yes they benefit alright - it’s a one way flow isn’t it?

yes.

 

[martcov]

As I voted to leave and never had a say about political union in the first place can I and all other leavers get a pay out for the last 30 years and the remainders pick up the tab?

no. You had 40 years to vote against the governments which ratified all EU laws. Obviously you were in a minority, but you at least had a vote. Having a vote doesn't mean the government has to do what you say. The difference being that you had a vote on leaving the EU and losing certain rights. I didn't.

 

[Grendel]

no. You had 40 years to vote against the governments which ratified all EU laws. Obviously you were in a minority, but you at least had a vote. Having a vote doesn't mean the government has to do what you say. The difference being that you had a vote on leaving the EU and losing certain rights. I didn't.

So I had a say on political union through Maastricht and Lisbon - the British people through uk parliament could stop it?

Really? I must have missed that.

 

[torchomatic]

As I voted to leave and never had a say about political union in the first place can I and all other leavers get a pay out for the last 30 years and the remainders pick up the tab?

When you voted leave you knew there would be a £40bn bill that needed to be paid off? You're happy about that? It's worth the cost?

 

[Grendel]

When you voted leave you knew there would be a £40bn bill that needed to be paid off? You're happy about that? It's worth the cost?

Of course it’s 2 years of payments which over a lifetime is nothing

If I’m honest I thought it would be much higher.

 

[torchomatic]

Of course it’s 2 years of payments which over a lifetime is nothing

If I’m honest I thought it would be much higher.

Great, then you and your fellow leavers should pay it. After all, if it's "nothing" then the 17.4M of you won't mind at all. Worth it for your "sovereignty".

 

[skybluetony176]

Brexit ain’t happening anyway. Jacob Rees-Mogg has said that the deal won’t get accepted over fishing rights after Brexit so that’s neither the brexiteers or the remoaners backing it through Parliament so we might as well call the whole thing of and chalk it up to experience.

 

[skybluetony176]

Great, then you and your fellow leavers should pay it. After all, if it's "nothing" then the 17.4M of you won't mind at all. Worth it for your "sovereignty".

Like it

 

[Grendel]

Great, then you and your fellow leavers should pay it. After all, if it's "nothing" then the 17.4M of you won't mind at all. Worth it for your "sovereignty".

Again though I was never allowed an opt out and you want to pay £20 million a year for ever I assume? I don’t want to pay that either.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Brexit ain’t happening anyway. Jacob Rees-Mogg has said that the deal won’t get accepted over fishing rights after Brexit so that’s neither the brexiteers or the remoaners backing it through Parliament so we might as well call the whole thing of and chalk it up to experience.

I still think it won't happen for the very reason that it'll be impossible to get an agreement.

Tell you what, if Blair hadn't destroyed his reputation, the stage would be set for a comeback whenever this government falls.

 

[clint van damme]

Brexit ain’t happening anyway. Jacob Rees-Mogg has said that the deal won’t get accepted over fishing rights after Brexit so that’s neither the brexiteers or the remoaners backing it through Parliament so we might as well call the whole thing of and chalk it up to experience.

Rees Mogg wants out ASAP so his dodgy investment fund can't fall under the jurisdiction of the new EU tax avoidance laws coming in next May. He couldn't care one jot about UK fishermen. Man is shameless. How he can call himself a Christian beggars belief.

 

[Grendel]

Rees Mogg wants out ASAP so his dodgy investment fund can't fall under the jurisdiction of the new EU tax avoidance laws coming in next May. He couldn't care one jot about UK fishermen. Man is shameless. How he can call himself a Christian beggars belief.

In what way is it dodgy?

 

[Astute]

That is an article about Muslim immigration and not free movement of EU citizens, which these countries' own citizens benefit from.

It is an article on two countries of the EU that are refusing the free movement of people more like.

 

[clint van damme]

In what way is it dodgy?

it's got money in a black listed bank for starters.

 

[Grendel]

it's got money in a black listed bank for starters.

Is it illegal?

 

[Astute]

Stop exagerating the rise of fascism and start critising it then. That would give you a more balanced appearance, but you tend to laud up the success of right wing shit. As does Grendel.

No, it isn't a guaranteed disaster to leave the EU, but I cannot see the benefits ( don't come with the old sound bites of "sovereignty, Drunker, undemocratic, elite etc. ). They have been shown to be bullshit.

Far-right AfD now the second most popular party in Germany: poll

Exaggerating the rise of fascism?

I wish I was wrong. If I am would you like to name all the EU countries where racist parties are not getting a lot more votes than before? Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away.

I am very worried about the future with the way things are going.

 

[clint van damme]

Is it illegal?

there's a conflict of interests. He has plenty of motivation for hastening our exit from the EU based on his own personal interests rather than what's best for the country. He certainly doesn't care about those fishermen.

 

[Grendel]

That is an article about Muslim immigration and not free movement of EU citizens, which these countries' own citizens benefit from.

There is some extensive research on the subject of Eu migration across the EU from EU member states and 4 countries respondents had a majority that saw this in a negative light.

Several questions were presented. Italy was deemed to be the most resentful country to incoming EU migration

 

[Astute]

Shame there wasn't a way to tax just those who voted leave, so they end up paying the £40b divorce bill. I voted to remain so why should I pay towards it.

Would be interesting to see of those who voted to leave because of the billions we pay the EU were aware we would have to pay billions anyway. I guess they all knew that and thought it a price worth paying.

That money is 3 years of payments to the EU. So is it a massive amount or not?

 

[Grendel]

Far-right AfD now the second most popular party in Germany: poll

Exaggerating the rise of fascism?

I wish I was wrong. If I am would you like to name all the EU countries where racist parties are not getting a lot more votes than before? Not talking about it doesn't make the problem go away.

I am very worried about the future with the way things are going.

Britain is getting less. The BNP is a fringe party and UKIP extinct. The fact martcov believes one in 6 of the voters voted for black shirts in a country that’s very uncomfortable with its past is again comedy gold from the EU spin master.

 

[skybluetony176]

I still think it won't happen for the very reason that it'll be impossible to get an agreement.

Tell you what, if Blair hadn't destroyed his reputation, the stage would be set for a comeback whenever this government falls.

Let’s not get too hasty. Think I’d rather see a hard brexit than Blair back in power

 

[Kingokings204]

Shame there wasn't a way to tax just those who voted leave, so they end up paying the £40b divorce bill. I voted to remain so why should I pay towards it.

Would be interesting to see of those who voted to leave because of the billions we pay the EU were aware we would have to pay billions anyway. I guess they all knew that and thought it a price worth paying.

Democracy when it suits then. I’ve heard that a lot from remainers in the last year or so. Why?

 

[Kingokings204]

Britain is getting less. The BNP is a fringe party and UKIP extinct. The fact martcov believes one in 6 of the voters voted for black shirts in a country that’s very uncomfortable with its past is again comedy gold from the EU spin master.

He said 87.5% didn’t vote AFD but Martcov fails to mention the massive increase they had to 12.5% of the vote. Why?

 

[fernandopartridge]

The CA stuff that's coming out is worrying but hardly surprising, I work in the digital industry and can't believe people haven't wised up and deleted their FB accounts yet.

Isn't it a bit late for that really?