London murder rate overtakes New York's (8 Viewers)
- Thread starter Otis
- Start date
eastwoodsdustman
Well-Known Member
Place is a shithole.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Disagree New York is awesome, London is a stinky hole. Worst capital/major city I’ve been to.
Otis
Well-Known Member
Worst of all are The Bellend Gang.
Houchens Head
Fairly well known member from Malvern
Just a quick question Otis....... why on earth are you up at silly O'clock on a Bank Holiday? Don't you enjoy lie-ins? :emoji_thinking:
Otis
Well-Known Member
Missus had to work.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Corbyns fault!
Serious, I love both cities and feel safe in them, (except for the time I accidentally wandered into Bedford–Stuyvesant), but that's been gentrified now.
Though as a tourist I'd imagine you don't really wander in to the areas where these incidents are happening.
Crime in general is rocketing in the UK, nothing to do with police cuts though apparently.
Serious, I love both cities and feel safe in them, (except for the time I accidentally wandered into Bedford–Stuyvesant), but that's been gentrified now.
Though as a tourist I'd imagine you don't really wander in to the areas where these incidents are happening.
Crime in general is rocketing in the UK, nothing to do with police cuts though apparently.
Otis
Well-Known Member
Indeed not.
I believe that empty spaces where the police used to be our now being successfully deployed as the deterrent.
Marty
Well-Known Member
Maybe they should better spend the money, get back to real policing instead of investigating thought crimes on the internet.
I was in London last week and didn't once feel unsafe, although I was in the more touristy bits.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
London is a shit hole. I really hate the place.
There are a few reasons why the crime rate is skyrocketing which include police cuts and the importing of third world cultures.
I try and avoid going there to be honest.
There are a few reasons why the crime rate is skyrocketing which include police cuts and the importing of third world cultures.
I try and avoid going there to be honest.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
The Met Police Chief Constable is a Dick in more ways than one.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
that's why New Yorks murders are dropping, they have no immigrants FFS!!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
That's a really over the top reaction to my post.
As I said, police numbers don't help things, but neither does opening the doors to everyone and anyone. You import third world migrants, you don't get a better first world, you get a bunch of poor cultures adding to the crime problems more frequently.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
but New York is as much an immigrant city as London and their crime is reducing so that doesn't stack up.
Then you get somewhere like Glasgow whose fairly appalling violent crime figures have reduced as it has become more diverse, I don't think there is a correlation there either.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
OK that's fine. I respect your opinion but disagree with you on this.
Girl, 17, shot dead in north London
I miss the London I lived in 20 years ago. Traditional and diverse in a perfect mixture.
Now a place where the centre is looked after while the surrounding areas rot
I have to say the London v New York immigration comparison is in my opinion flawed, different model
I miss the London I lived in 20 years ago. Traditional and diverse in a perfect mixture.
Now a place where the centre is looked after while the surrounding areas rot
I have to say the London v New York immigration comparison is in my opinion flawed, different model
Astute
Well-Known Member
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
I'm not saying they don't commit crime but are they responsible for an increase?
The immigrant population has been increasing in London as crime has gone down in recent years. This increase coincides with cuts to the police.
The immigrant population has been increasing in New York but crime has gone down. I would bet they haven't cut their police budget though I don't know that.
I'm sure it's a bit more complicated than anyone factor but I think police cuts are a massive part of it and the Police chiefs tried telling May this when she started going down this route as home secretary.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Yes the cuts have made it worse. Only a fool would try to disagree. Tony where are you
But gang crime has got worse. Different sections of the communities work togethwr trying to take over drug patches. A stabbing leads to more stabbings. A shooting leads to more shootings. There is a lack of respect. It has all got out of hand. And at best it hasn't kept the situation similar as before.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Yes the cuts have made it worse. Only a fool would try to disagree. Tony where are you
But gang crime has got worse. Different sections of the communities work togethwr trying to take over drug patches. A stabbing leads to more stabbings. A shooting leads to more shootings. There is a lack of respect. It has all got out of hand. And at best it hasn't kept the situation similar as before.
i don't think the London murder rate has increased too much where as New Yorks has fallen sharply but in London now there does seem to be a proliferation of a certain type of murder related to young gang members.
I wouldn't want to be bring my kids up in that environment.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't even bring my kids up in a city now.
I rarely lock my cars. Can't remember the last time I locked my front door....although one of my dogs would have you if not invited in. And he will still watch you all the time if he doesn't know you well. We have a proper community. My young kids can play out without worrying about them.
I loved my upbringing in Coventry. But when you see a place on the other end of the scale you appreciate it.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
The missus would love to try it but me and the kids are proper City dwellers.
The 2 left at home would flip if we tried to take them to the sticks but they won't be at home a lot longer so I reckon it's something we'll try one day.
Nick
Administrator
I wouldn't mind living out in the countryside, at the minute we tend to go out to the countryside side of things rather than going into town anyway but just like the peace and quiet.
The one thing that really annoys me is the kids playing out thing, would love to live somewhere where we know more people and my daughter can just go out to play with other nice kids without us worrying. We have to watch her down the road if we let her cross to go to the shop on her own, there are other kids who lurk about who we wouldn't let anywhere near her. Hearing 5 year olds tell each other their mum is a slag is quite funny, but not something I want my daughter being around.
Wouldn't go as far as not locking doors though if I lived there, my dog can open them and let himself out if we don't make sure everything is locked with the key out
The one thing that really annoys me is the kids playing out thing, would love to live somewhere where we know more people and my daughter can just go out to play with other nice kids without us worrying. We have to watch her down the road if we let her cross to go to the shop on her own, there are other kids who lurk about who we wouldn't let anywhere near her. Hearing 5 year olds tell each other their mum is a slag is quite funny, but not something I want my daughter being around.
Wouldn't go as far as not locking doors though if I lived there, my dog can open them and let himself out if we don't make sure everything is locked with the key out
Astute
Well-Known Member
Bit I live in a built up area. I am on the doorstep of a beach over 13 miles long. We have most big shops closer than most people in a big City are. And you have to drive within feet of Windermere to get here. The schools are within walking distance. My 8 and 9 year olds walk by themselves to school.
Best of all we don't get holidaymakers here. Who goes to the lakes to sit on a beach? But from the beach I can see the lake district.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
Well-Known Member
We're looking to move out of the city to be honest.
England just isn't the same anymore in general though. It's hard to compare against your own childhood but things feel very different. When we have kids I want it to be somewhere nice for them.
England just isn't the same anymore in general though. It's hard to compare against your own childhood but things feel very different. When we have kids I want it to be somewhere nice for them.
Astute
Well-Known Member
When I was a kid you would get glue bags stick to your feet. There was always scrapes to get into.
But it was fun. During school holidays out at light in at dark. Play football all day. Feed yourself. Have fun.
And yes grew up in all the select areas in Coventry :smuggrin:
Bumberclart
Well-Known Member
The percentage of those murdered that are from ethnic minority backgrounds is frightening.
Look at the names and faces in this link (sorry about using The Sun as a reference)
London's murder epidemic — the 49 killed in the capital so far in 2018
Surely this gives clues to the socioeconomic/cultural issues at play here.
Look at the names and faces in this link (sorry about using The Sun as a reference)
London's murder epidemic — the 49 killed in the capital so far in 2018
Surely this gives clues to the socioeconomic/cultural issues at play here.
Astute
Well-Known Member
But a lot will have been innocent
Bumberclart
Well-Known Member
I'm not throwing stones here. Just stating facts. I don't doubt that there are a number of innocents involved but the fact that they are in the wrong place at the wrong time also tells its own story.
Poorer areas of London are heavily populated with ethnic minorities. Unless these people get more opportunities to break the poverty cycle, crime and violence will always be attractive.
People are scared of stating certain facts incase they get called racist.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Look back in this thread. I have already stated the same.
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Do you think Cov is more dangerous now then when we were growing up? I honestly think it was an absolute madhouse back then? And I loved growing up in those times, there was never a dull moment but I don't think things are as bad now, just my take on it.