The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (92 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

More like the double standards on here of those who can't see the truth. They say that we voted to leave because of the racist UKIP voters. But not one has mentiined about you being a UKIP voter who defended UKIP on here because you also twist the truth on what is going on and the reasons why.

So how come UKIP voters are racist but you are not?

I don’t think UKIP voters are racist by default. You clearly do so you’ll have to answer your own question.

 

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[Grendel]

I don’t think UKIP voters are racist by default. You clearly do so you’ll have to answer your own question.

You said UKIP as a party wasn’t racist Tony.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yeah and as an influential country the UK would have helped shape it.

Pretty much what the Tories 87 manifesto that they got voted in on said. That’s why John Major went on to sign the Maastricht Treaty and despite apparently never giving us a vote on it won a general election that he wasn’t supposed to win later that year and I don’t recall the Maastricht Treaty being mentioned once in any campaign by any party.

 

[skybluetony176]

You said UKIP as a party wasn’t racist Tony.

And astute states it is. So if he wants an explanation on why it is he’ll have to answer the question himself won’t he. Do keep up.

 

[Grendel]

Tony has been accused on racial slurs before as well

Back to being the biggest club in Coventry?

 

[martcov]

Go away with your brown comment. You have some learning to do.

There is nothing wrong with immigration. But not having a choice on the matter is a totally different situation.

So you think that countries we will trade with will be able to change our laws?

I said brown because those people who don’t like white Eastern European Christians are hardly going to be happier by Indians getting more visas.

We will have to produce goods and accept imports and probably accept immigrants according to arrangements we will have to agree to - as now with the EU. And there will be arbitration proceedings which we will have agree to - as now with the ECJ.

 

[Astute]

I don’t think UKIP voters are racist by default. You clearly do so you’ll have to answer your own question.

Bullshit. It is the remoaners that call UKIP racist. And you know this. It was me trying to put the point across that minorities even voted for them. Remember the picture of Rusty Lee a couple of days agi and her comments that I posted?

But those same people that accuse UKIP voters of being racist have not said a word about you voting for and defending UKIP.

Strange that isn't it.......

 

[Astute]

And astute states it is. So if he wants an explanation on why it is he’ll have to answer the question himself won’t he. Do keep up.

It is your fellow remoaners that have said so countless times on this thread. So are you going to tell them that they are wrong? Because you have had countless chances to say so but have not done so yet. It is left to people like me to defend people like you. And look at the thanks I get for it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Jesus.

I'm out, can't be done with the massive sweeping bullshit anymore.

 

[Sick Boy]

It is your fellow remoaners that have said so countless times on this thread. So are you going to tell them that they are wrong? Because you have had countless chances to say so but have not done so yet. It is left to people like me to defend people like you. And look at the thanks I get for it.

You're one of the most anti-EU posters on this thread so you defending UKIP is not really a surprise.

 

[Astute]

Yeah and as an influential country the UK would have helped shape it.

One voice out of 27 and we get an influential say?

Just like we didn't want Juncker. We knew what he had done in the past. That showed our lack of influence.

 

[Grendel]

Jesus.

I'm out.

I knew you’d see the light one day

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I knew you’d see the light one day

Compared to the last few pages, sheer comedy genius!

 

[Sick Boy]

I knew you’d see the light one day

Genuinely made me laugh out loud.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Genuinely made me laugh out loud.

Never thought I'd see the day when I was praying for a few Grendelisms to lighten the mood!

 

[Astute]

I said brown because those people who don’t like white Eastern European Christians are hardly going to be happier by Indians getting more visas.

We will have to produce goods and accept imports and probably accept immigrants according to arrangements we will have to agree to - as now with the EU. And there will be arbitration proceedings which we will have agree to - as now with the ECJ.

I take it you do know that brown is a racial comment.

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony has been accused on racial slurs before as well

Back to being the biggest club in Coventry?

Can’t argue the point again.

 

[Astute]

You're one of the most anti-EU posters on this thread so you defending UKIP is not really a surprise.

Can I remind you that it was Tony that defended UKIP. It was me saying that not all UKIP voters are racist.

So would you like to make that same comment again?

I am not anti EU. As I have said countless times it is a good thing. But changes need to be made. Are you going to disagree on that as well?

Then I point out the lies said on here. Does that make me anti EU?

This isn't a debate. It is a witch hunt. Vile comments come from those pissed off with the situation. But only one side is allowed to be spoken about.

 

[skybluetony176]

Hello racist Tony. Are you back to tell us about you voting UKIP and to defend them again?

Racist Tony gets it wrong again. It was 1:3017

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Like I said. The only person who called me a racist is you. Even Grendull hasn’t done that. He’s insinuating it when he can’t argue a point but he’s at least smart enough to not directly call me a racist, because he knows it isn’t true. That’s why you’re a special kind of stupid.

 

[skybluetony176]

Can I remind you that it was Tony that defended UKIP. It was me saying that not all UKIP voters are racist.

So why have you defaulted to labelling me a racist when I didn’t even vote for them as an endorsement of their policies that you agree with?

 

[Sick Boy]

Can I remind you that it was Tony that defended UKIP. It was me saying that not all UKIP voters are racist.

So would you like to make that same comment again?

I am not anti EU. As I have said countless times it is a good thing. But changes need to be made. Are you going to disagree on that as well?

Then I point out the lies said on here. Does that make me anti EU?

This isn't a debate. It is a witch hunt. Vile comments come from those pissed off with the situation. But only one side is allowed to be spoken about.

It's hardly a debate when people are coming out with crap like 'remoaners'. You are clearly one of the most rabid anti-EU posters on here, at least you dtopped your charade of being neutral.

 

[Astute]

Like I said. The only person who called me a racist is you. Even Grendull hasn’t done that. He’s insinuating it when he can’t argue a point but he’s at least smart enough to not directly call me a racist, because he knows it isn’t true. That’s why you’re a special kind of stupid.

And why is that?

Your fellow pro EU posters have said people like you are racist. Isn't it strange that they never commented when they found out that you voted UKIP and then defended them. Then you called someone a monkey boy. Nothing racist there either.

Can you imagine this place if I said I voted UKIP and defended them. And then I called someone a monkey boy. It would go into meltdown. But because you constantly defend the EU and constantly have a go at anyone who says anything that can be construed as anti EU nobody says a word.

Just shows how one sided this is.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's hardly a debate when people are coming out with crap like 'remoaners'. You are clearly one of the most rabid anti-EU posters on here, at least you dtopped your charade of being neutral.

Astute and a sweeping generalisation? You surprise me!

 

[skybluetony176]

And why is that?

Your fellow pro EU posters have said people like you are racist. Isn't it strange that they never commented when they found out that you voted UKIP and then defended them. Then you called someone a monkey boy. Nothing racist there either.

Can you imagine this place if I said I voted UKIP and defended them. And then I called someone a monkey boy. It would go into meltdown. But because you constantly defend the EU and constantly have a go at anyone who says anything that can be construed as anti EU nobody says a word.

Just shows how one sided this is.

Are people racist because they voted UKIP? It’s a yes or no answer by the way.

 

[Astute]

So why have you defaulted to labelling me a racist when I didn’t even vote for them as an endorsement of their policies that you agree with?

I was against UKIP. I was against leaving the EU. But I have put points across which show comments on here are debatable. Then I get all sorts of crap sent my way by people like you as most of the time you kniw they are valid points you can't sweep under the carpet.

 

[Grendel]

Are people racist because they voted UKIP? It’s a yes or no answer by the way.

It was the party you were defending Tony not the voters.

You clearly. Any see them as racist as you wouldn’t have voted for them. Which is entirely at odds with Martcov and his standpoint.

I was interested why you thought the party wasn’t racist

 

[Astute]

It's hardly a debate when people are coming out with crap like 'remoaners'. You are clearly one of the most rabid anti-EU posters on here, at least you dtopped your charade of being neutral.

I wasn't neutral. I wanted to stay in. I would still prefer to stay in the EU. But only if changes are made.

Then we would need changes made here. Massive investment in the NHS. Massive investment in homes being built. Massive investment in infrastructure.

The problem is the Tories failed us as usual. Then Labour failed us. Now the Tories are failing us again.

And I am not supposed to mention the bad parts of the EU. And if I say anything bad about Labour......

 

[Astute]

Are people racist because they voted UKIP? It’s a yes or no answer by the way.

I was ripped apart for saying no. And have been waiting for those who said that they are to defend you. Then I was going to bring up their previous posts.

But strangely enough those who said UKIP voters are racist didn't defend you. And they didn't also mention you voting UKIP or even defending UKIP. That tells me all I need to know.

This isn't an honest debate. This is a thread about opinions. And you are not allowed an opinion different to most that post on here.

 

[Astute]

It was the party you were defending Tony not the voters.

You clearly. Any see them as racist as you wouldn’t have voted for them. Which is entirely at odds with Martcov and his standpoint.

I was interested why you thought the party wasn’t racist

There are people in UKIP that are racist. Just like all the other parties. But it doesn't make you a racist if you voted for them. But you wouldn't have thought so if you believed everything some people say on here.

 

[skybluetony176]

I was ripped apart for saying no. And have been waiting for those who said that they are to defend you. Then I was going to bring up their previous posts.

But strangely enough those who said UKIP voters are racist didn't defend you. And they didn't also mention you voting UKIP or even defending UKIP. That tells me all I need to know.

This isn't an honest debate. This is a thread about opinions. And you are not allowed an opinion different to most that post on here.

So you were ripped apart for saying no but deem it acceptable to label me a racist for voting for them on one occasion as a protest vote. You really are a special kind of stupid.

 

[Astute]

So you were ripped apart for saying no but deem it acceptable to label me a racist for voting for them on one occasion as a protest vote. You really are a special kind of stupid.

If it was a protest vote why did you then defend UKIP?

A protest vote to me is the Green party or Monster raving Looney party.

So why did you call someone a monkey boy?

It isn't a term that the vast majority would use. Racism slips out of racists at times. I don't think you are but it wouldn't surprise me if you are.

 

[martcov]

I take it you do know that brown is a racial comment.

I explained who I was targeting. The portion of leavers who are against all foreigners and even more so against „brown“ people because they think they are part of a Muslim invasion. My target was the racist element. It takes some doing to turn that around to me being racist by, in effect, attacking racists.

 

[martcov]

If it was a protest vote why did you then defend UKIP?

A protest vote to me is the Green party or Monster raving Looney party.

It has been said before: not all leavers are racist, but all racists voted leave ...

 

[Astute]

I explained who I was targeting. The portion of leavers who are against all foreigners and even more so against „brown“ people because they think they are part of a Muslim invasion. My target was the racist element. It takes some doing to turn that around to me being racist by, in effect, attacking racists.

Monkey boy is a racist term. Calling someone BROWN isn't far behind.

Yet you don't seem to understand.

So why did you use the monkey boy term then?

 

[Astute]

It has been said before: not all leavers are racist, but all racists voted leave ...

Which is what I said. And I got seriously questioned for saying so.

2% of UKIP voters voted to remain in the EU