Penalty Decision Replay (9 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Well in that case you could say in turn it would surely entice the FA to up the standard of refereeing in the country then because by that logic you're effectively saying the league is brushing an evident problem of employing substandard referees under the carpet?

Or it’s a tough job and there simply isn’t the talent pool to fill it tonyour required standard so they’d just be setting themselves up for more criticism.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Silly tackle anyway totally unnecessary

 

[Otis]

Silly tackle anyway totally unnecessary

It's a lot of hot air and mock outrage against what was basically a soft penalty.

It most certainly wasn't the worst decision ever as some are making out.

 

[Bumberclart]

It's a lot of hot air and mock outrage against what was basically a soft penalty.

It most certainly wasn't the worst decision ever as some are making out.

by 'some', I take it you mean Mr K Nolan Esq

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I do think from the angle he was looking from - there may have been a player slightly in his line of sight - it would have looked as if Bayliss got his left foot on the ball and the player took him out.

I'm certainly not complaining

Even if there wasn't a player blocking his eyesight it still would've looked like a pen IMO as like you said the way Matt Tootle tackled Bayliss looked as if he kicked through him first and knocked the ball away second - as both players had their back to the ref.

 

[chiefdave]

Well in that case you could say in turn it would surely entice the FA to up the standard of refereeing in the country then because by that logic you're effectively saying the league is brushing an evident problem of employing substandard referees under the carpet?

They are brushing the problem under the carpet. Nobody can have watched the officiating at our games this season and believe its up to the required standard. Yet if Robins or any of the players make a comment on the low standard they will be up for disciplinary action meanwhile nothing is done to resolve the actual problem.

There's only about 75 referees for the PL and FL. There's enough money in the professional game to ensure they are all up to standard.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

That’s why the FA deploy punishment after a game via video evidence because the refereeing is so so poor nowadays

Refereeing is at an all time low IMO so this punishment clearly isn't working is it. Rather than implementing 'wishy washy' punishments the FA should put time and effort into improving the overall standard of refereeing as a whole by investing more funds into the FA Refereeing Centre of Excellence and doing more to attract young people into the program.

 

[Nick]

It makes you wonder who judges the refs, the majority this season have been controlled by players and have had no consistency at all.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

They are brushing the problem under the carpet. Nobody can have watched the officiating at our games this season and believe its up to the required standard. Yet if Robins or any of the players make a comment on the low standard they will be up for disciplinary action meanwhile nothing is done to resolve the actual problem.

There's only about 75 referees for the PL and FL. There's enough money in the professional game to ensure they are all up to standard.

It's ridiculous isn't it. Managers/players can't be vocal about a referee's performance during a game because it brings the game into disripute apparently when in reality it's the referee's own performance that's brought the game into dispute!

Considering the FA will probably end up getting near-on £900 million for the potential Wembley sale you'd like to think that money will be re-invested into improving the English game across the board. But somehow I think that's about as likely as all the Maddison money being invested into the club in the summer!

 

[Dimi_Konstantflapalot]

Refereeing is at an all time low IMO so this punishment clearly isn't working is it. Rather than implementing 'wishy washy' punishments the FA should put time and effort into improving the overall standard of refereeing as a whole by investing more funds into the FA Refereeing Centre of Excellence and doing more to attract young people into the program.

Absolutely agree. You've sort of alluded to it there - I think there also needs to be a proper drive to demand more respect for the referees. The complaining and hounding of refs by 6/7/8 players from a team over decisions is ridiculous and happens at every level of the game. Why would that encourage anyone, especially young people, to take up officiating, dealing with dogs abuse every game purely for trying to do your job?

It’s very easy to say it should be like rugby because for football to get to that level of respect is a utopian idea from where it is currently. Refs need more power to card players for abuse, or a rule for captains to query bad decisions etc.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

by 'some', I take it you mean Mr K Nolan Esq

His sisters are even singing about it now.......
.................me? I couldn't care less?.... I'm in the mood for dancing..

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Absolutely agree. You've sort of alluded to it there - I think there also needs to be a proper drive to demand more respect for the referees. The complaining and hounding of refs by 6/7/8 players from a team over decisions is ridiculous and happens at every level of the game. Why would that encourage anyone, especially young people, to take up officiating, dealing with dogs abuse every game purely for trying to do your job?

It’s very easy to say it should be like rugby because for football to get to that level of respect is a utopian idea from where it is currently. Refs need more power to card players for abuse, or a rule for captains to query bad decisions etc.

The issue is, the FA implements refereeing rules such as players being sent off for diving, dissent etc. but rarely follows through on their policies/punishments. So the FA have given them this power but in the same breath they take it away again because they employ individuals that talk the talk but don't walk the walk. It's why I can't stand the FA or the EFL, as in my view they're completely ineffectual and are at fault to why English football across the board is in its current state.

 

[Otis]

His sisters are even singing about it now.......
.................me? I couldn't care less?.... I'm in the mood for dancing..

Just need to change the words to 'I'm in the mood for ranting.'

 

[Mcbean]

The ref also missed the player who obstructs Burge at every corner holding him back - in this situation Burge should make it clear to the ref after the first occurrence - even if he waves him away - i guarantee the ref would have looked - they came with a game plan like Lincoln but fortunately ref saw a penalty like me

 

[lifeskyblue]

Son has been refereeing this season. He is 15 and only allowed this season to ref mini soccer u10s etc. He has received abuse on a couple of occasions from parents and ‘coaches’ (with no badges). He asked a coach to remove one of the parents and they did to a torrent of abuse. I asked son after the game if he wanted to continue and he said ‘can’t let ignorant numpties’ get away with it. He wrote a report and both coaches as well as Leicestershire ref association contacted him. But I do worry for next season and beyond when he begins to ref older age groups. To be honest as parents both me and the wife wouldn’t be unhappy if he said he no longer wanted to do it. But he already has his name down to complete next level of qualification.
When reffing Leicester academy u10 games the behaviour of players, coaches and parents much better and no trouble. In fact on one occasion when a kid questioned a 50/50 decision (in heat of moment) the coach took player off immediately and at the next interval made him approach my son and apologise.
Leicestershire ref assoc seems well organised and supported and I hope this continues. They have a weekly training session and get together to discuss issues (and occasionally have a guest such as a premiership or championship ref to question).


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[Otis]

Son has been refereeing this season. He is 15 and only allowed this season to ref mini soccer u10s etc. He has received abuse on a couple of occasions from parents and ‘coaches’ (with no badges). He asked a coach to remove one of the parents and they did to a torrent of abuse. I asked son after the game if he wanted to continue and he said ‘can’t let ignorant numpties’ get away with it. He wrote a report and both coaches as well as Leicestershire ref association contacted him. But I do worry for next season and beyond when he begins to ref older age groups. To be honest as parents both me and the wife wouldn’t be unhappy if he said he no longer wanted to do it. But he already has his name down to complete next level of qualification.
When reffing Leicester academy u10 games the behaviour of players, coaches and parents much better and no trouble. In fact on one occasion when a kid questioned a 50/50 decision (in heat of moment) the coach took player off immediately and at the next interval made him approach my son and apologise.
Leicestershire ref assoc seems well organised and supported and I hope this continues. They have a weekly training session and get together to discuss issues (and occasionally have a guest such as a premiership or championship ref to question).


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Never mind all that slushy bollocks, did he think it was a penalty on Saturday?!

 

[lifeskyblue]

Never mind all that slushy bollocks, did he think it was a penalty on Saturday?!

No penalty. Very soft he thought. But he did think a couple of their players should have been carded early on...one for the block and the other for persistent time wasting. Having said that in the past he says Haynes should be carded at throw ins


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[Terry_dactyl]

Son has been refereeing this season. He is 15 and only allowed this season to ref mini soccer u10s etc. He has received abuse on a couple of occasions from parents and ‘coaches’ (with no badges). He asked a coach to remove one of the parents and they did to a torrent of abuse. I asked son after the game if he wanted to continue and he said ‘can’t let ignorant numpties’ get away with it. He wrote a report and both coaches as well as Leicestershire ref association contacted him. But I do worry for next season and beyond when he begins to ref older age groups. To be honest as parents both me and the wife wouldn’t be unhappy if he said he no longer wanted to do it. But he already has his name down to complete next level of qualification.
When reffing Leicester academy u10 games the behaviour of players, coaches and parents much better and no trouble. In fact on one occasion when a kid questioned a 50/50 decision (in heat of moment) the coach took player off immediately and at the next interval made him approach my son and apologise.
Leicestershire ref assoc seems well organised and supported and I hope this continues. They have a weekly training session and get together to discuss issues (and occasionally have a guest such as a premiership or championship ref to question).


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Fair play to him. Not for me though.
Like you say, trouble seems to start with the parents/coaches at that younger age group...and then the players when they get a bit older.
I remember thinking, all those years ago when I was playing junior football (shout out to Allesley Aces), that a lot of the kids were copying their dad’s by starting to give out to the ref. And so it continues...

 

[Otis]

No penalty. Very soft he thought. But he did think a couple of their players should have been carded early on...one for the block and the other for persistent time wasting. Having said that in the past he says Haynes should be carded at throw ins


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I believe their keeper was warned for timewasting before the 30th minute.

Had the ref booked him before half-time, which he clearly could have, it would have sped the game along no end.

 

[MalcSB]

How much time would be saved if they went back to taking goal kicks from the side the ball went out of play?

 

[Johhny Blue]

Fair play to him. Not for me though.
Like you say, trouble seems to start with the parents/coaches at that younger age group...and then the players when they get a bit older.
I remember thinking, all those years ago when I was playing junior football (shout out to Allesley Aces), that a lot of the kids were copying their dad’s by starting to give out to the ref. And so it continues...

I’m sure we’ll hear about Ben Stevenson’s dad ranting at games

 

[Adge]

Son has been refereeing this season. He is 15 and only allowed this season to ref mini soccer u10s etc. He has received abuse on a couple of occasions from parents and ‘coaches’ (with no badges). He asked a coach to remove one of the parents and they did to a torrent of abuse. I asked son after the game if he wanted to continue and he said ‘can’t let ignorant numpties’ get away with it. He wrote a report and both coaches as well as Leicestershire ref association contacted him. But I do worry for next season and beyond when he begins to ref older age groups. To be honest as parents both me and the wife wouldn’t be unhappy if he said he no longer wanted to do it. But he already has his name down to complete next level of qualification.
When reffing Leicester academy u10 games the behaviour of players, coaches and parents much better and no trouble. In fact on one occasion when a kid questioned a 50/50 decision (in heat of moment) the coach took player off immediately and at the next interval made him approach my son and apologise.
Leicestershire ref assoc seems well organised and supported and I hope this continues. They have a weekly training session and get together to discuss issues (and occasionally have a guest such as a premiership or championship ref to question).


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Good for your son for putting himself forward! As we all know the best referees always sit in the stands but don’t have the balls to put himself forward. Tell him to stick at it and if he is any good he will be spotted and nurtured as he is at the right age. One bit of advise I would give him if he is planning on going through the promotion levels is get on the good leagues such as the MJPL or the JPL which is mostly academy leagues and a good standard, and there are minimal interferences from parents etc.

 

[Adge]

It makes you wonder who judges the refs, the majority this season have been controlled by players and have had no consistency at all.

Consistency is a myth and a classic pundit term which people latch onto.
“All we want is consistency” is the classic phrase while the “experts” dissect from 50 different angles a referees decision that they do not agree with. 2 referees would/will judge a challenge for the ball differently/are different characters and would referee the game as they see it. If people want “consistency” they best invent robots to referee games.

 

[lifeskyblue]

Good for your son for putting himself forward! As we all know the best referees always sit in the stands but don’t have the balls to put himself forward. Tell him to stick at it and if he is any good he will be spotted and nurtured as he is at the right age. One bit of advise I would give him if he is planning on going through the promotion levels is get on the good leagues such as the MJPL or the JPL which is mostly academy leagues and a good standard, and there are minimal interferences from parents etc.

Thanks adge. Will tell him. I have to say I’m very impressed at Leicester academy set up. The other refs there (often reffing older age groups) always supporting and encouraging him. A few weeks ago one of the refs (who had reffed at L1 level on the Saturday) came and watched and afterwards debriefed my lad.


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[Adge]

And the majority will! I remember when I was starting out and going through the promotion stages and (unfortunately) had to referee Sunday football for a short time. An incident occurred and one team took it to far and were displaying some very unsavoury/threatening behaviour. This fortunately for me was in a communal park (Newbold Comyn) and there were several referees around. They heard/saw the commotion and immediately three of them stopped their games and came over.
This is where being on the good Leagues differs, as traditionally Saturday is football day where most of the good players will play and Sunday is for the cloggers.
To be fair that’s the only time I have been a bit intimidated but that was also down to being inexperienced. The same would never happen to me now.

 

[lifeskyblue]

I’m sure we have some of that to come. Although 15 and small for his age I think my lad is quite mature for his age. As I said there was an incident with one particular parent from u10 game and I was very proud re the way my son spoke to the coach who then told the parent to leave the pitch. I know they grow up/change a lot at this age but the last year has certainly seen him develop in terms of independence and commitment.


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[Nick]

And the majority will! I remember when I was starting out and going through the promotion stages and (unfortunately) had to referee Sunday football for a short time. An incident occurred and one team took it to far and were displaying some very unsavoury/threatening behaviour. This fortunately for me was in a communal park (Newbold Comyn) and there were several referees around. They heard/saw the commotion and immediately three of them stopped their games and came over.
This is where being on the good Leagues differs, as traditionally Saturday is football day where most of the good players will play and Sunday is for the cloggers.
To be fair that’s the only time I have been a bit intimidated but that was also down to being inexperienced. The same would never happen to me now.

The only bad refs I ever really saw on Sunday league were the ones who loved to wind people up and thought they were somehow the leaders of the western world because they were a ref. So many of them were decent blokes and you could have a laugh and they would diffuse things quickly with a bit of a laugh, a couple were absolute bellends and would let things go and boil over and had no control. It was all down to the way the ref would interact with the players 90% of the time, don't get me wrong 10% of the time it was just players being a bellend.

If I remember, the best ones were either really young or the really old ones. A lot of the middle aged ones were the ones with a chip on their shoulder and would give it loads.

It's like in proper football when a ref has no control and misses a bad tackle, the next one that flies in is a bad one, if he misses is that it gets worse and worse and eventually erupts.

The refs also have to deal with non proper linesmen as well in Sunday League, I remember being flagged offside in my own half and when I said what are you on about he started laughing. It's shit like that that makes it worse.

I don't agree with the parents coaching and abusing the ref though, it should just be down to the kids coach and the parents should be warned not to try and coach (encouragement is fine).

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Loved reffing. Only a couple of occasions where I felt physically threatened. One occasion I cycled home in tears at the frustration of the situation.

Was great for me to learn respectful confrontation. It doesn’t come naturally for me.

On another occasion at an u14 game on armistice day I had lots of complaints remembering all those who died in all wars on all sides.

My 11 year old can’t wait to start

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

What do the refs think about this? I’ve never seen a yellow card given for that before. Could understand if the goalkeeper did it 3 or 4 times and was warned but just the once

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What do the refs think about this? I’ve never seen a yellow card given for that before. Could understand if the goalkeeper did it 3 or 4 times and was warned but just the once

Controversial. It would be ungentlemanly conduct but you’d expect a warning and why couldn’t someone else go in goal?

 

[Adge]

Controversial. It would be ungentlemanly conduct but you’d expect a warning and why couldn’t someone else go in goal?

No disrespect Pete but “ungentlemanly conduct”” hasn’t been in the Laws for about 10 years. It was replaced with “unsporting behaviour”.

 

[Gibbo]

It's a lot of hot air and mock outrage against what was basically a soft penalty.

It most certainly wasn't the worst decision ever as some are making out.

Unless the ref was running exactly behind the incident, in which case he would have been horribly out of position for any further action, then it must have looked like a penalty from where he stood. The odds on the defender giving away a penalty going in hard when in that part of the pitch are always high - see Willis v Stoke. There is also quite often no need - again see Willis v Stoke. The requirement is to just close the opponent down and block the cross. I sometimes wonder at the lack of spacial awareness / knowledge of angles in some footballers who are actually not very bright and so commit to tackles when there is no need. I am not part of the great Haynes debate, but he is noticeably poor at this

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Good for your son for putting himself forward! As we all know the best referees always sit in the stands but don’t have the balls to put himself forward. Tell him to stick at it and if he is any good he will be spotted and nurtured as he is at the right age. One bit of advise I would give him if he is planning on going through the promotion levels is get on the good leagues such as the MJPL or the JPL which is mostly academy leagues and a good standard, and there are minimal interferences from parents etc.

And the best players of course