Extremists are a problem, but by definition they are a tiny minority.
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Extremists are a problem, but by definition they are a tiny minority.
Grendel
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But more than in the uk
They were always there. The NPD, the Republikaner, DVU and various illegal groups and Kameradschaft „Clubs“. They exist in all societies. The difference now is that there is so much fake news around and everyone can make a blog, Twitter account, Facebook-Side or Website. Publishing has never been so easy and people don’t check the facts or they just publish their version of the facts or make their own up. There is no comeback or right to reply.
The refugee crisis gave them a raison d‘etre and they are using it as much as possible to turn people against perceived „enemies of the people“. With some success.
The latest dispute in the government is because Seehofer and Söder are worried about AfD taking votes from them in the Bavarian state election in October.
The fact that you guys are saying I don’t know what is going on, when in fact I do, shows that you rely on alternative news sources and bad papers for information and are disappointed when someone says life is peaceful on the whole.
Just taken part on the biggest event in northern Germany. Police say absolutely peaceful and no significant events. 3 million visitors in 10 days. Loads of alcohol, little trouble. I think England would have been different.
Do you know that?
I don’t know. Cov wasn’t in the 80s. Was top for violence per capita in the West Midlands. Like all these things, it depends where in the UK.
I don’t know of any problems where I live, but I posted a link with statistics from the Berliner Morgen Post. Again, it is only in certain areas. E.g. Rigaer Str for left wing trouble makers.
I suspect you are wrong.
Westendlad
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You said about an hour ago there is problems with left and right wingers but not massive.....Bit different from ' i don't know of any problems'...
„Where I live...“ is what I said. I live in a peaceful area in a relatively peaceful city.
Westendlad
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You confuse me and i think you confuse yourself sometimes.
Just watching Inside the American Emabassy and they just touched on this without going into any real detail.
I'd say their analisys on post Brexit Britain on such a small sample of deeper study was a negative outcome for Britains economy, coupled with a deep panic from the people who've driven for it that they will be beyrayed by a soft version.
I'd say their analisys on post Brexit Britain on such a small sample of deeper study was a negative outcome for Britains economy, coupled with a deep panic from the people who've driven for it that they will be beyrayed by a soft version.
Westendlad
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Again you twist things ....Mr G asked you a question and you go back 30 years and why are you so bothered about the UK leaving the EU.......You don't even live here. I noticed in the 'poorly' attended march at the weekend that most were middle aged upper class sorts......Now i don't confess to be bright but straight away i thought money must be top of their list....Savings, pensions ? I'm sure someone on here can answer that. Anyway the majority of people voted leave so stop acting like brats and accept it and move on.
Astute
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Where you know extremists.
One is more than enough.
We had one in the district that I live. He got locked up last year. The place is much safer now. You say you know some. Do you know all of them? How safe is it really where you live?
Astute
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The same analysts that said house prices would collapse, unemployment would shoot up and share prices would crash if we voted leave. How does anyone know that they are right? They are people who are desperate for us to stay in the EU.
As I have continually said my plans for the future are at stake. I am 9 and half years max from retiring and travelling for as long as I am fit enough. The vast majority was going to be in the EU. That was why I wanted to stay in the EU.
But instead of frothing at the mouth and blaming everyone and everything I can think of I look at it in a positive and unbiased way. There is good and bad about leaving. It could end up being all good. It could end up being all bad. But it should end up in the middle somewhere.
At worse? We will end up paying tariffs. Just like we do with most of the rest of the world. But we buy a lot more than we sell to the EU. So tax income from this will be massive. We have our own currency. So ours will go up or down for whatever is best for us. This will take up the price difference if needed. Those in the EU don't have this choice. They are paired with how strong Germany is.
OK so I might not be able to travel like I have planned for a long time. I am not alone. But what about the EU countries that rely on us for our spending power in their countries? Spain relies on tourism. 16% of their GDP comes from tourism in 2016. And last year was much higher. It looks like it brought in 87 billion for them.
I am not worried for the future at all yet. Both sides need a deal to make the change run smoothly. The EU needs our money so are trying all the tactics they can to get us to stay. But when it comes to the crunch it would be suicidal for them to not want a deal. Germany will have to put billions more in each year after we leave. Most countries take out more than they put in. Will the Germans be in such a good place if we stop buying their cars?
I don’t know all extremists. Now and again I read something in the press. For instance, Club 88 in Neumünster got raided and closed down a couple of years ago and weapons were seized. They were selling guns on the black market. 88 stands for the 8. letter of the alphabet as in Heil Hitler.
These scumbags are there, but I don’t know what they do on a daily basis. I suspect they are now somewhere in AfD as every now and again extreme right/ Nazis get outed in the AfD. Setting fire to asylum homes seems to be one of their pastimes, but not where I live.
I am certainly not living in fear of anything happening here.
AfD got 6% in the federal and a bit less in the state elections where I live.
Astute
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And a lot more on average in the rest of Germany. But you make out that they are much less of a problem than Farage is here.
What tactics are the EU using to make us stay? They have laid out their main points. Nothing has changed. If we don’t accept them, we can have some form of Norway, Switzerland, or Turkey deal or a mixture of several.
Northern Ireland and citizens rights still have to be solved before that happens.
Where are the workable proposals? At the moment it is us who are constantly coming up with unworkable proposals and arguing amongst ourselves.
I think nothing much will have changed when you retire. BINO.
They are a thorn in the side of the government and at the moment they are having the effect of forcing the CSU to take a hard stand on immigration controls in the months coming up to the Bavarian elections.
It is impossible to control the „green borders“ of Germany as it is surrounded by land borders, to 8 different countries. You might be able to control the Autobahns with thousands of extra officers and barriers, but not the thousands of miles of green land borders. No one, except the extreme right wants that.
Mass migration is a problem and will not go away. The refugee crisis will eventually slow down as the war will end at some time, but the young population of Africa needs jobs which at the moment don’t exist at their home. Which is why the EU must come up with shared solution.
Britain surrounded by water has it easier in this respect. Control the tunnel and the ports... problem solved. Airports even easier.
Astute
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Fair play to you if you think Barnier and Juncker have acted in the best way possible and are after what is best for the people of the EU. Most people know this isn't true.
They are threatening visas and visits of no more than 90 days out of 180 days. How will this make no difference to me?
Astute
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Sharing the problem is making them stay in Italy and Greece?
And the AfD is a much bigger problem than you will ever admit.
Our net contribution is 9 or 10 billion depending on who you believe. Germany calculated they would have to pay 3 billion a year more after Brexit. That is peanuts compared with their GDP.
We are leaving 40 agencies and will be employing thousands of bureaucrats to replace these agencies. Our trade with Europe will slow down- literally - because of border controls. No super software exists and we don’t have the facilities to control our borders as a third party country.
The Brexit windfall talked about at the moment doesn’t really exist.
And the EU is still waiting for our workable proposals.
They are waiting for our proposals.
Grendel
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No they are waiting to try and bully and crush us. Carry on posting like this and the other posts you’ve made this morning
It exposes you as the sneering, vile fascist bigot I knew you were.
Astute
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Net 9 billion. But how much of the other billions go back to the tax payer?
How much of it goes to those desperate to stay in the EU? Yes. A lot of it.
Astute
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They are waiting to rubbish them again to try and put pressure on us to stay.
If they wanted it to work they would be in constant communication saying what they would like to see and what they could see working without going over the top.
What is our workable proposal? They have constantly said how they see it. They want to guarantee EU citizens rights. It was the U.K. who wanted to do these negotiations in secret at the beginning. The EU has been transparent throughout.
The majority of voters voted leave by a small majority which Farage, before the vote, described as „work to be done“ as it would not be a convincing majority for such an important decision. For once I agree with Farage.
Who are those desperate to stay that get this money? The leavers who want the money from CAP...IDS, Dyson and co.. The ex editor of the Daily Mail? They have already covered themselves. Business as usual, but from the UK pot.
I suspect you were looking in the mirror when you addressed this post.
Bullying, insulting, fascist etc fits in with your posting history. But you like animals.. fair enough.
I doubt whether the majority of remainers are concerned about pensions. Hedge fund owners are up to their balls in Brexit. Good returns on their tax haven investments if they can get away from the pesky EU. I and my family will lose automatic rights to live and work where we want to in the EU because of leave voters. I and my daughter ( as with Farage‘s family ) have now got dual nationality as a result. Most people are not in the position to do that. Instead of asking me why I bother, ask the likes of Ress Mogg why his investment firm deals in dollars, invests millions in Russia and very little in the UK, soon to become Brexitbritain. If Brexit is so positive why not invest in the UK and why open offices in Dublin? Why not deal solely in pounds?
Do you know what was discussed yesterday? If not, how do you know that the answer is making „them stay in Greece and Italy“?
torchomatic
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Similarly those like Farage, Fox, Banks, Davis, Rees Mogg are only acting in the interests of their rich friends, bugger the rest of us. Whether the whole economy goes tits up post-Brexit won't matter a jot to those or to politicians on whatever side of the house they sit. It will be the poor - as usual - who bear the brunt of their whims.
Grendel
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What about Mr Corbyn - he’s a man of the people isn’t he?
torchomatic
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Your "whataboutery" is reaching new heights. Every time I post something you come back with "yeah, but Corbyn". He's as fucking useless as the rest. A nailed-on Brexiteer who has given the government a free ride. He's as culpable as the rest of them. Happy now?
Grendel
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Not really because you are basing an argument around the fact that the desire to leave Europe is from fat cats who care less about ordinary people.
Whatever my comments and opinions have been about Mr Corbyn it’s very hard to argue that his intention actually is to stand up for the working classes. So clearly his view (along with the shadow chancellor) is that people would actually be better off in a country free of European interference. The same actually applies the the Socialist Workers Party and the Communist Party both of whom are hardly going to be so unprincipled as to just side with Reece Mogg.