You will have to wait a long time then.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (163 Viewers)
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You will have to wait a long time then.
SkyblueBazza
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I openly admit that I will never come clise to being as big a cock as you are
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Except that the cabinet is still a long way from being united and they have promised a joint white paper in a couple of weeks. But apart from that we are nowhere near that, it doesn’t mean anything.
Don’t be so modest.
I think the decision is wrong and will end up hurting the UK. Simple really. It’s called having an opinion.
SkyblueBazza
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So what? Many experts have opined that no-deal is better than a bad deal.
Ypu ignore the Beef deal with China & the BAE deal with Australia because it just doesn't fit ypur agenda does it??? They cpuld be just the start...AND could be the very reason the Brexit deal with the EU is not moving at the pace ypu wpuld prefer...we are out there getting the business in instead of talking bollocks with ypur EU cronies
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Strange conclusion.
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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You aren't disputing the result??????????
Then do us all a favour & shut the fuck up!
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No. The conversation was about the terminology „the will of the people“. But you obviously didn’t understand that.
SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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And yet 3 posts previous...you acknowledged that you are one!
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SkyblueBazza
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No I mean the one specific to Britain...China lifts ban on British beef
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Westendlad
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You don't know that, nobody knows for sure. Yes it could go tits up for the UK but the majority wanted a change and people like you are doing their best to put spanners in the works. Back it don't fight it.
Astute
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Germany and France blocked it. How come they miss your list?
So migrants landing is down by over 90%. So what is the problem? Anything to do with not being able to give them an EU passport and send them to the UK?
Ok now to be serious. It is all happening to save Merkels job. Those who she jumped into bed with won't back her anymore if any more migrants arrive. Isn't it amazing that Cameron couldn't even get a meeting but Merkel can get the whole rulebook thrown out. They are even going against human rights if they manage to keep to their plans.
So yeah the EU is for the benefit of the people. As long as you are French or German that is.
Astute
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dutchman
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You hope!
dutchman
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Many French and German people are suffering too from ECB imposed austerity measures which are also helping drive extremist opinion in those countries.
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Astute
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Yes they are. But rules get bent or rewritten for the benefit of Germany and France. And the austerity measures affect the rest of the EU even more. Germany mainly suffers with banks making less money and people's savings not earning much. The poorer nations suffer through job losses. But it is one of only a few ways to help the poorer countries of the EU who are tied to the Euro to get out of the hole they are in.
Matter of opinion. There was a crash in 2008. this affected the whole world. Some countries were more affected than others. Britain has had years of austerity. To say that Germany suffers because of low interest rates is strange. Sometimes countries impose low interest rates to stimulate the economy by making finance cheaper. If interest on savings is low, people invest elsewhere. Shares or property for example. Municipal debt has fallen and money previously spent on interest repayments can be used for other things. It is more complicated than just saying everything is bad and it’s Germany“s or the Euro‘s fault. Job losses were caused by the crash in the first place and that started in the US. But blame the EU and in particular Germany. As you say low interest also helps countries with enormous debt, caused by over spending before the crash, survive. A bigger threat to recovery in Europe is a trade war caused by Trump. Brexit will also hurt Britain and the EU unless a workable deal can be found.
Yes it’s all about Germany... it’s getting worse with you. You‘re off Juncker for a change and on to Merkel. Another old favourite. No one is giving out passports to send „them“ to the UK. That’s a Faragism.
Whether or not figures are up or down, a European solution to migration is necessary. And yes of course the human rights are likely to go under if populists are exerting pressure. I thought you were in favour of that?
There is going to be migration from Africa and refugees from war zones now and in the future. Nothing to do with Germany, Merkel or Juncker. Africa has a young population and the ME remains unstable.
The question is how to control it humanely and get all countries to share the burden. Compromises will have to be made. Which you will criticise.
Your conclusion is of course nonsense and a Faragism. As regards Cameron, he was asking to bend the 4 freedoms by restricting FOM. That has not changed and is nothing to do with the refugee crisis. The rule book ( FOM ) hasn’t been thrown away and you are making things up again.
Yes, but why were they imposed? The crash started in the US in the sub prime sector. Banks had in effect speculated and a chain reaction of losses in the finance sector wrecked the system. It is a matter of opinion as to whether low interest was right or wrong, but countries like Ireland have recovered and the Eurozone is improving. The refugee crisis is what is fuelling the right wing extremists. They are coming from the ME and Afghanistan. The areas where Britain and the USA got involved militarily. And later France and Russia and a whole group of others. Germany was not directly involved in the bombing and was not an instigator. But Germany has taken more refugees than Britain and the USA and other EU countries. This annoys many people, especially the right who are using the situation to wind people up. It annoys me when people like Astute who say ‚it is just wrong‘ referring to FOM and then criticising the EU for taking any measures to control refugees and other migrants from Africa and Arabia. Although he doesn’t want ‚them‘ anywhere near the U.K.. plus he insists on referring to ‚them‘.
Sick Boy
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Denial about what? That FoM wasn't a major issue for a vast majority of Leave voters? Plenty on this thread have claimed that the vote was a vote to leave the SM and CU, all you've done is highlight that no one knew exactly what they were voting for and that Brexit means different things to different voters and there is no mandate for what the likes of Rees Mogg and Farage would impose given the chance.
I've stated numerous time that I have Irish parents and have had an Irish citizenship since birth, it isn't going to affect me as much as others, and I won't be the one losing rights. I also feel proud to be British and have dual nationality, sone thing which you seemed to suggest wasn't possible in an earlier post.
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The story is of incompetence and a well meaning attempt to stop people smuggling in flimsy boats after over 300 refugees died in a shipwreck.
Apparently they are using the wrong tactics and people are being mistakenly imprisoned. Large amounts of money are being wasted chasing the wrong people. That is not the same as deliberately abusing human rights.
It doesn’t help the victims to know that, but it is unfair to use it as an example of EU human rights abuse.
Making things up again... I ever said there were no problems... I said they were discussing them. They weren’t ripping up reports or saying „fuck business“. That is the UK way of dealing with problems.
52% of the people who cared to vote is not the will of the people.
Having discussions and coming to a conclusion in a short period of time - which will no doubt be changed a few times in the future- that will ease the immediate problem is better than spending 2 years and having nothing on the table. It doesn’t show that the EU is a German dominated beast at all. If it were, 27 would have signed up without discussion and done everything Merkel wanted. If anything, it proves countries have the power to veto things in order to get their views considered.
Astute
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I gave you links from what is normally a pro EU paper. It has never been on the banned list from pro EU posters on here. They say Germany and they give the reasons. Yet you try to make out that I have made it up.
So how about the this?
ECB signals more austerity amid mounting economic divisions in Europe
Astute
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So arresting people without evidence when they have evidence that they are not even the person they are accused of being is an accident?
Don’t know, but it isn’t EU policy. It seems to be incompetence or people acting on their own iniative.
Astute
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You certainly are making this up. It is the EU that doesn't seem to care about business.
So locking up migrants which is against human rights isn't a bad thing? And as you can see it is all over the press and internet. And I posted links to the Guardian. They explain it very well. And mainly to protect Merkel. Or is the Guardian lying and making it up?
How about it? 2016 and the USA and Japan were following the same policy, not to mention the UK. All that says is that the G7 or G22 were probably all following the same policy. The EU is no different to any of them. What would we have done differently outside the EU? What is your point actually?
Astute
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Well the EU is about to lock up migrants to help Merkel. Yet they never do anything to help Germany you say.....
Yet the UK couldn't even get a meeting.
Astute
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The EU has been allowing it. They know all about it. So do several countries in the EU. Read it again.
You are quick to defend human rights in the UK. The EU is right to intervene if it happens in the UK. But it is someone else's fault if it happens elsewhere in the EU. So nobody is guilty of anything.