The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (218 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

I am not denying anything, but not everything is purely about price. Quality, ethics and having something to negotiate with come into as well.

Ethics ffs???

Ethics that say if you are a part of the EU you are welcome as long as it serves Germany? Otherwise you can just fuck right off!

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[SkyblueBazza]

Yes so know we don’t cover our needs, but we won’t let what we have be wiped out.

Errr...what on earth does that mean???

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[SkyblueBazza]

Of course I am not saying that. It’s obvious that people that didn’t vote weren’t passionate enough either way. Stop making things up!

What exactly am I making up? All I have done is show up your argument for what in reality it is worth - diddley squat!

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[SkyblueBazza]

No it doesn’t simply make rules up. What do you think they do? „What shall we do today? Mmm .. I know we’ll make some rules up.“

I never said 'simply'...you did. All I am reinforcing is other's & my arguments that Germany sets the real agenda for the EU to follow. Other's are at least, encouraged to cow-tow. Germany sets a more extreme position, it is watered down a bit then accepted. Given time - it will be.

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[martcov]

But the EU simply sets rules to outlaw other imports. That is discriminatory & protectionist. Reciprocal enters into that in NO WAY whatsoever. It means the exporters lose trade, become poorer & citizens feel their only chance is to become a migrant to the EU/USA or similar

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Well no. I don’t believe for one minute that people voted for Brexit to help poor farmers denied sales in the EU. Also, if we imported food from some places, the locals would have less to eat. You cannot just say people would be better off. Will Britain give free Trade to these countries without some sort of benefit for Britain?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Proves my point doesn’t it? You’re not exactly original.

Wtf? I coined it...& I think I am the only one to have repeated it. And even then - I only do it when YOU decide to spout tue sake old bollocks!

So blame yourself!

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[martcov]

What exactly am I making up? All I have done is show up your argument for what in reality it is worth - diddley squat!

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No, you have shown that you don’t know what you are on about with your claim that the nation wants Brexit.

 

[martcov]

Wtf? I coined it...& I think I am the only one to have repeated it. And even then - I only do it when YOU decide to spout tue sake old bollocks!

So blame yourself!

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Blame myself for you not knowing what you are on about?

 

[martcov]

I never said 'simply'...you did. All I am reinforcing is other's & my arguments that Germany sets the real agenda for the EU to follow. Other's are at least, encouraged to cow-tow. Germany sets a more extreme position, it is watered down a bit then accepted. Given time - it will be.

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I am not even going to say anything about that crap.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

They weren’t lies. They were predictions. Saying or implying that there would be 350 m a week for the NHS was a deliberate lie.

'Emergaency budget within 24hrs' was a definite statement by George Osborne

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[SkyblueBazza]

No, you have shown that you don’t know what you are on about with your claim that the nation wants Brexit.

Denial.

The majority that voted wanted to leave. The remainder was a split between remain & couldn't give a shit!
THAT is the reality. Otherwise they would've voted.

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[SkyblueBazza]

I am not even going to say anything about that crap.

Yes..you should've listened more at school. You might have formed a more rounded critical vision of situations

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[SkyblueBazza]

'Emergaency budget within 24hrs' was a definite statement by George Osborne

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You mean you have no argument against it! It was said...& it didn't happen. Instead he ran away & hid for...what was it? 4 days?

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[martcov]

Ethics ffs???

Ethics that say if you are a part of the EU you are welcome as long as it serves Germany? Otherwise you can just fuck right off!

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Have you swallowed the Daily Express?

 

[Grendel]

I am not denying anything, but not everything is purely about price. Quality, ethics and having something to negotiate with come into as well.

Protectionism is price protection. You really are a deluded fool.

 

[martcov]

You mean you have no argument against it! It was said...& it didn't happen. Instead he ran away & hid for...what was it? 4 days?

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I’ve no idea if he hid, but it doesn’t make Brexit a good idea and give people like Belize based Ashford, or Moscow mates Banks a get out of jail free card.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Have you swallowed the Daily Express?

No. Haven't been near a newspaper for about 5yrs

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[SkyblueBazza]

I’ve no idea if he hid, but it doesn’t make Brexit a good idea and give people like Belize based Ashford, or Moscow mates Banks a get out of jail free card.

Well he at very least said nothing nor was seen publicly for about 4days.

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[martcov]

Protectionism is price protection. You really are a deluded fool.

Protectionism is price protection. You really are a deluded fool.

„Protectionism refers to government actions and policies that restrict or restrain international trade, often with the intent of protecting local businesses and jobs from foreign competition.“

to do that you make excuses. Such as for security reasons ( see Trump), or ethical.

Read more: Protectionism Definition | Investopediahttps://www.investopedi

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I’ve no idea if he hid, but it doesn’t make Brexit a good idea and give people like Belize based Ashford, or Moscow mates Banks a get out of jail free card.

So now you're going down he very rpute that you have accused others of???

Targetting specific individuals to twist arguments. I have made no refernece to any of the names you mention...so totally irrelevant.

Maybe you should quit while you only have a broken jaw???

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[martcov]

Yes..you should've listened more at school. You might have formed a more rounded critical vision of situations

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Maybe, but I still wouldn’t parrot populist BS.

 

[Grendel]

„Protectionism refers to government actions and policies that restrict or restrain international trade, often with the intent of protecting local businesses and jobs from foreign competition.“

to do that you make excuses. Such as for security reasons ( see Trump), or ethical.

Read more: Protectionism Definition | Investopediahttps://www.investopedi

Does the Eu protect against pricing - yes or no?

 

[martcov]

So now you're going down he very rpute that you have accused others of???

Targetting specific individuals to twist arguments. I have made no refernece to any of the names you mention...so totally irrelevant.

Maybe you should quit while you only have a broken jaw???

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I answered your accusation of Hammond lying by naming major culprits. You chose naming individuals. Not me.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

„Protectionism refers to government actions and policies that restrict or restrain international trade, often with the intent of protecting local businesses and jobs from foreign competition.“

to do that you make excuses. Such as for security reasons ( see Trump), or ethical.

Read more: Protectionism Definition | Investopediahttps://www.investopedi

But ypur excuses for the EU doing exactly the same will be the same old bollocks that 28 nations blah blah blah is not a government. No it isn't it is more of a mess!

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[SkyblueBazza]

Maybe, but I still wouldn’t parrot populist BS.

Given what I just said in my post about newspapers...how can I be parroting populist BS???

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[martcov]

Does the Eu protect against pricing - yes or no?

Are you trying to accuse the EU of doing something we won’t do? The EU has quality and ethical standards. You call them price protectionism. They could be price or job protectionism, or they could be genuine standards.

 

[martcov]

But ypur excuses for the EU doing exactly the same will be the same old bollocks that 28 nations blah blah blah is not a government. No it isn't it is more of a mess!

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It is a trading bloc.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I answered your accusation of Hammond lying by naming major culprits. You chose naming individuals. Not me.

Am I missing something? You sure it was me? If so please advise me of when & the circumstances. If I am wrong I am first to hd my hands up in any given situation. Those that know me will testify that. It has been my downfall on occasions...but never with real intent (i.e. lying) on my part.

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[martcov]

Given what I just said in my post about newspapers...how can I be parroting populist BS???

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I am talking about the EU being the German 4. Reich run by Merkel to the detriment of Europe populist lie/ propaganda which you are parroting a version of.
And, apart from anything else it is 01:30 here and I have been on the road since 11:00. So don’t be offended if f I don’t answer. Good night..

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Are you trying to accuse the EU of doing something we won’t do? The EU has quality and ethical standards. You call them price protectionism. They could be price or job protectionism, or they could be genuine standards.

So now you accept EU protectionism???

PROGRESS indeed

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[SkyblueBazza]

It is a trading bloc.

So that excuses it's actions?

So if Democratically elected Merkel decided to execute all the Jews in Germany to appease the right wing element of her coalition...that would be okay perhaps???

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[SkyblueBazza]

I am talking about the EU being the German 4. Reich run by Merkel to the detriment of Europe populist lie/ propaganda which you are parroting a version of.
And, apart from anything else it is 01:30 here and I have been on the road since 11:00. So don’t be offended if f I don’t answer. Good night..

You are actually ranting like Hitler...but goodnight. I hope your head is somewhat clearer in the morning.

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[dancers lance]

So that excuses it's actions?

So if Democratically elected Merkel decided to execute all the Jews in Germany to appease the right wing element of her coalition...that would be okay perhaps???

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Merkel isn't even capable of executing a strong enough manifesto to win majority power, so I think the Jews are safe for now.

 

[Westendlad]

I am talking about the EU being the German 4. Reich run by Merkel to the detriment of Europe populist lie/ propaganda which you are parroting a version of.
And, apart from anything else it is 01:30 here and I have been on the road since 11:00. So don’t be offended if f I don’t answer. Good night..

Thought you owned a pub.....Now it seems like you're a driver of some sorts ?

 

[dutchman]

The U.K. was a major player in the EU. That’s how it got it’s exceptions to e.g. the Euro.

Are Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden also 'major players in the EU' since they are also not in the Eurozone?